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mullugh
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aceofspades8809 said: Just got my sandos strain off the ground can't wait to join the club!!!
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space_shrooms

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Humble Newcomer said: Thanks Sage. I couldn't see inside the cup without opening the GH so it was a nice surprise
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aicaca said:
I also don't think they're getting as much FAE as they would like - something I'll work on improving next time too.
Have you considered modifying your mono?
I assume u have a hole on each side stuffed with polyfill maybe two on each side?
You could remove half the polyfill and fluff it up to make it looser.
Or remove it altogether and put micropore tape over holes. I would double layer the tape it's not great for our hobby but I keep it around for modification potential.
Or use an unmodified tub that's what I do. Wedge the lid open a little, or pivot the kid at a 45 or 90 or remove it entirely once or twice a day for a short period while u do something and mist and replace.
Tons of options.
Thanks for your suggestions. I've got micropore over them - two strips on the bottom holes and one on the top. I'll take some off and see how it goes but my guess is that they still won't be getting enough FAE.
This third flush here in a little mini-greenhouse, although not very prolific is producing the nicest fruits yet. I'm fanning this 3-4 times a day, which I wasn't doing previously. This is also the result after soaking the sub after the last flush. Surprisingly these are growing at temps between 50 and 60F, at points in the night I am guessing even as low as 45. I had pulled them out of the 'warm room' to harvest and then let it sit overnight in the cold and woke up to pins so I thought I'd just let it keep going.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms] 1
#25243404 - 06/01/18 08:20 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Racing against the clock to get everything set up. This pan spawn is trying to crawl out of the jar it's so ready.
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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25243469 - 06/01/18 09:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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that looks good azura, very ready though, i have four jars ready too and i'm like ehhhh i don't want to tonight.
Aicaca, wow that looks great still better than any of my trays so far. Is that a cloned culture you're running or MS?
I was going to suggest that next, forgoing the holes in the mono altogether and manually fanning the mono daily if you feel you need more FAE. Or, leaving the lid pivoted half open for part of the day. That's what i'll be doing.
Though once i get a cloned culture going that produces fairly well i already have some experiments in mind and FAE is one of them. Temp was another, i'm glad to see you're growing in cold temps and they look meaty. I think i remember reading that, in general, you want to fruit on the colder side of the accepted fruiting temps bc you get meatier fruits. Though many would be surprised you got pans at that cold!
Here's a picture from just now, this tray i actually dropped while loading the GH so it was a few days late in pinning, but it had to rebuild itself after i scooped it all up by hand and repacked it down on a filthy hardwood floor.

lol but it seems to be doing better than half the trays, so i next time i do pan experiments i may have a group i slap or drop them all like shiitake and see what happens lol
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Asura
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Still up! Pasteurizing my sub. Trying to get everything ready. Gonna spawn tomorrow. I know this sounds crazy but I think we are all going to figure out pans this year. And it's going to be epic. Love ya'll.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25243648 - 06/01/18 11:20 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's gonna be good buddy. I think we will be shaking off a lot of this "fragile" feel about pans, I mean I dropped that pan 5 feet intonation hardwood floor and scooped it up with filth and dirt. And ppl have fruited them on cased grain, no manure at all.
Like cubes. Probably gonna be like cubes all around just picker here and there.
Good luck Azura can't wait to see pics
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Found my second clone today, fattie is destined for the Great Clone Wars...
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mullugh
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Humble Newcomer said: Found my second clone today, fattie is destined for the Great Clone Wars...

Such a beautiful colour...more than any other
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mullugh]
#25244917 - 06/02/18 06:45 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pan cambo spores germinated on agar in 3 days.
My pan cyan print is so wispy and fine I can barely see it. I hope it germinates.
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d0urd3n
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kimble] 1
#25246558 - 06/03/18 03:58 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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@aicaca Keep that redspore mutation going!
I tried so hard to get RDU a year ago. No one has it.
Very cool.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: d0urd3n]
#25248256 - 06/04/18 02:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hello Shroomery,
I am asking for advice for a small outdoor Pan Cinct grow in my garden. What are the best incubating temps for MEA or subs? i have some agar and subs that are showing very little growth at about 81F in the day, and like 78 at nite. what are some good fruiting teks? I was thinking i could put it underneath some blackberry bushes, which provide shade and could be watered daily to keep humidity, or in a small tub cobered by a see through plastic cloth on top with small holes drilled thru the sides near the bottom for a little fae. What is a good potato flake and dextrose or honey LC Recipe?
I have aged composted horse manure, fresh chicken manure, gypsum, verm and a year old compost mix i made in an attempt at an indoor grow last year made of potting mix, steer manure, chicken manure, hay, horse poo, and some other shit. I was able to produce a couple mushrooms with a sterilite tub and a lightbulb in my desk drawer. the prints and mushroom samples i have are wild caught in socal. gills are mature and about a year old
Show me the way please
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space_shrooms

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tweebus]
#25250372 - 06/05/18 04:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Humble Newcomer said: that looks good azura, very ready though, i have four jars ready too and i'm like ehhhh i don't want to tonight.
Aicaca, wow that looks great still better than any of my trays so far. Is that a cloned culture you're running or MS?
I was going to suggest that next, forgoing the holes in the mono altogether and manually fanning the mono daily if you feel you need more FAE. Or, leaving the lid pivoted half open for part of the day. That's what i'll be doing.
Though once i get a cloned culture going that produces fairly well i already have some experiments in mind and FAE is one of them. Temp was another, i'm glad to see you're growing in cold temps and they look meaty. I think i remember reading that, in general, you want to fruit on the colder side of the accepted fruiting temps bc you get meatier fruits. Though many would be surprised you got pans at that cold!
Here's a picture from just now, this tray i actually dropped while loading the GH so it was a few days late in pinning, but it had to rebuild itself after i scooped it all up by hand and repacked it down on a filthy hardwood floor.

lol but it seems to be doing better than half the trays, so i next time i do pan experiments i may have a group i slap or drop them all like shiitake and see what happens lol
Mine is an MS grow (a few transfers on agar -> LC). I'm going to start from spores again now and will try some clones from that, although since reading Blue Helix's comments about cloning not being necessary for prolific pan grows, my motivation is more on dialling in the optimal environment.
As you can see from this peak into my monotub there are heaps of fruits (many ripe for picking).

This is the first flush and they are tall and thin, which I think is largely due to low FAE, but I think may also be due to the fact that it's the first flush and later flushes might produce bigger fruits.
Here are some from my third flush of a tray, which admittedly did get a lot more FAE, but I have a feeling their heft is also due to them being later flush fruits (the first flush from this tray looked a lot like the monotub above). These are by far my favourite ones so far. My goal now is a canopy of fruits like these.

Anyway it's all food for thought and I'm just enjoying sharing pics and speculating here
How's your grow going HN?
Update: I soaked the monotub (sub floating, water pooling on top) for a couple of hours after I harvested, put it back into fruiting and 12 hours later there is a huge pin-set already.
Edited by space_shrooms (06/07/18 04:17 PM)
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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25254747 - 06/07/18 06:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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That tub looks good
Meh. All of my trays together fruited what your tub looks like it will - only one fruited on top decent it had much thicker fruits than the other ones.
I have put four fruits to agar and what I'm thinking is I'll do a second grow where I do two tubs of each to see how they do and if there's a clear winner (clone wars)
I got some plastic shoeboxes and spawned some more pan cyan MS to a few of them, I'll be fruiting them in the GH in a week or so and I'm going to keep it high RH and FAE the whole time no humidity swings.
I know I can keep them much more moist. And I think with solid plastic shoeboxes I will have much better luck against side pins.
Im curious to see how much of a difference a cloned culture makes, I've seen a lot of variance in the length and diameter of my fruits and some dry up to barely bigger than a hair so I def want more on the bigger side.
But if these new MS tubs do superb I'll willingly rock that for a while
Looking good!
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I lied. I just put two PCMV shoeboxes in GH just now with some reishi shoeboxes. In the next six days or so I'll be putting in another three PCMV shoeboxes, one with a 3" sub bc I was lazy and didn't want to spawn two 1.5" shoeboxes.

After that I have two more PCMV MS shoeboxes I'll be making, and through all this I'll collect any impressive specimens I see. Then prob run a big clone wars run and probably be done for a little while if yields are good
I'm also going to try spawning in open air as that will make my life a lot easier. The reishi tubs did great. I've had bad luck in the past but now I'm thinking it may have been all spawn related and I was too noob to know
I've been so busy lately I thought I had another week but it seems 6days is a repeated spawn timeframe with my roughly 2:1 sub spawn ratio.
Also it should be noted short term refrigeration does not harm PC grain jars I always end up having to buy a few days here or there In fact I just put another whole grow in the fridge to buy me time to focus on these pans.
Any tropical species I'm concerned about cold storage after I finally lost a pink oyster culture.
But im thinking these (pan cyan) areike cubes in many ways, both are copros but can fruit without dung, both hot natured but can fruit in colder than expected (cubes get meaty prob same with pans) I'm wanting to throw a few uncased trays next to cased trays when I gain a little more experience and see in a GH if casing is needed. I'm excited to test the boundaries a bit.
It should also be noted that I used wayyyy too fresh cpoo for these three, after pasteurization the sub was very offensive to the nose, a slight green hue was visible in the clumps that were left, oh it was horrible. But they seem to have colonized fine one has a sizeable metabolite pool on top. We will see. I'll be pasteurizing some straight coir for a casing tomorrow I figure overnight naked in GH won't hurt time to get some air
-though not misting pins is no joke, I barely misted a half mature side pin, looked like the pins in your beautiful pinset pic there aicaca, and I was shocked to see it die, it was tall and a day and a half from picking and it turned black 
Why is that???
Edited by Humble Newcomer (06/07/18 08:40 PM)
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Humble, I am fruiting my pans tomorrow in my GH and I am going to be running 3 shoeboxes of APE and a single shoebox of GT right along side them. I've had all of it in my GH the whole time during colonization. My GH is geared for pans but those cubes don't seem to mind it a bit. It's hot and humid as hell in there and by the looks of they are all loving the conditions.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25254968 - 06/07/18 08:38 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I actually shut mine down for a few days bc not even one shelf was full. I have two shoeboxes of cubes that are going in next week too.
I don't think too much FAE hurts anything. If the GH can properly humidify the airflow then it shouldn't hurt at all
My temps are 74-82 or so. All these shoeboxes are 50/50 cpoo coir, even the cube ones. Never fruited cubes off dung before kinda neat when I think about it. Looking forward to nailing the whole side pin problem.
I really thought aicacas pic was a clone bc of that big oinset that seemed like it pinned on the same day.
Good luck to us all!
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mary fairchild
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Humble Newcomer said: I lied. I just put two PCMV shoeboxes in GH just now with some reishi shoeboxes. In the next six days or so I'll be putting in another three PCMV shoeboxes, one with a 3" sub bc I was lazy and didn't want to spawn two 1.5" shoeboxes.

After that I have two more PCMV MS shoeboxes I'll be making, and through all this I'll collect any impressive specimens I see. Then prob run a big clone wars run and probably be done for a little while if yields are good
I'm also going to try spawning in open air as that will make my life a lot easier. The reishi tubs did great. I've had bad luck in the past but now I'm thinking it may have been all spawn related and I was too noob to know
I've been so busy lately I thought I had another week but it seems 6days is a repeated spawn timeframe with my roughly 2:1 sub spawn ratio.
Also it should be noted short term refrigeration does not harm PC grain jars I always end up having to buy a few days here or there In fact I just put another whole grow in the fridge to buy me time to focus on these pans.
Any tropical species I'm concerned about cold storage after I finally lost a pink oyster culture.
But im thinking these (pan cyan) areike cubes in many ways, both copros but can fruit without don't, both hot natured but can fruit in colder than expected (cubes get meaty prob same with pans) I'm wanting to throw a few uncased trays next to cased trays when I gain a little more experience and see in a GH if casing is needed. I'm excited to test the boundaries a bit.
It should also be noted that I used wayyyy too fresh cpoo for these three, after pasteurization the sub was very offensive to the nose, a slight green hue was visible in the clumps that were left, oh it was horrible. But they seem to have colonized fine one has a sizeable metabolite pool on top. We will see. I'll be pasteurizing some straight coir for a casing tomorrow I figure overnight naked in GH won't hurt time to get some air
-though not misting pins is no joke, I barely misted a half mature side pin, looked like the pins in your beautiful pinset pic there aicaca, and I was shocked to see it die, it was tall and a day and a half from picking and it turned black 
Why is that???
Looks like your sub- went anaerobic- i've had that happen a number of times- but only with pasteurized subs. I'm sure it was because it was too wet.
Thats a problem I have with spawn to bulk grows where u pasteurize the sub. I find it hard to get an optimum moisture content without it going anaerobic- that nasty rotten egg smell. That does not happen with a sterilized sub- ie. a direct inoculation grow path.
When my shrooms go black its always because they got wet. If the shrooms appear shiny- they are too wet- your are on the verge of losing them.
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d0urd3n
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25259131 - 06/10/18 08:08 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Panaeolus bisporus (I hope)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: d0urd3n]
#25259354 - 06/10/18 10:50 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: Panaeolus bisporus (I hope)

Yooo D...whats up homie!! Good to see you still at it
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
#25259362 - 06/10/18 10:54 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is that healthy pan spawn? Mine that looked similar after a shake molded
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