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Universe Unknown
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25219126 - 05/21/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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aicaca said: This is a pretty interesting paper about the contents of pan. cyans. - http://www.repository.naturalis.nl/document/569927. Apparently they are full of psilocin and not much psilocybin. I've heard that psilocin degrades more easily to heat than psilocybin. Not sure if that's true, but does anyone notice a bigger loss in potency from drying them than compared to other species that contain predominantly psilocybin?
It's also interesting they contain serotonin. Cubes don't do they?
The 3 times that I tried drying pan cyans they lost a lot of potency two times out of three.
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Peteyboy
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My Bisporous maintained their potency thriugh drying... atleast I cant imagine them being any stronger lol!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
#25219470 - 05/21/18 07:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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looking really amazing aicaca !
Here is an update on my Pan Cyan Jamaica grow. This is now at 8 days after applying casing layer and introducing into fruiting conditions. I can't see any difference in myc growth between now and 4 days ago (my last post). No sign of pinning. Maybe it's stalled..?
The substrate is in a 16qt mono tub, 2 layers of micropore tape on the bottom 4 holes, 1 layer on the top 2 holes. However, on day 7 of fruiting conditions, I removed the tape from the 2 top holes, thinking that the additional FAE might help.
When I pick up a pieces of casing layer, I can feel it's got a fair bit of moisture in it, without being soaked.
Any tips would be most welcome!
(note that my rye grain had been colonized for about 2.5 months before spawning, so I feel maybe this was pushing it and my chances of fruiting might be slim)
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mushboy
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Universe Unknown said: The 3 times that I tried drying pan cyans they lost a lot of potency two times out of three.
how did you dry them?
pan cake

pan spawn
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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
#25219723 - 05/21/18 09:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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And since we are on the subject, what's the general consensus on potency?
Pan cyans which are roughly double potency of cubes and then pan trop, bisporus, and Cambo are all 3 stronfer but roughly the same?
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space_shrooms

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I don't know because I haven't tried them but when I do I'm going to be easing into it and not trying to be a hero. Most reports say they are anything 2-7x stronger than cubes...so I'm interpreting that as 'BEWARE: pan cyans are really fucking strong'. 2g of cubes can knock my socks off, so go figure.
Tray 2 is coming along very well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25221255 - 05/22/18 04:48 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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aicaca said: I don't know because I haven't tried them but when I do I'm going to be easing into it and not trying to be a hero. Most reports say they are anything 2-7x stronger than cubes...so I'm interpreting that as 'BEWARE: pan cyans are really fucking strong'. 2g of cubes can knock my socks off, so go figure.
Tray 2 is coming along very well.

Half a gram is a really good trip for me I did a gram the first time and it was way too much
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 99.99]
#25221366 - 05/22/18 05:35 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah 1 gram of Pan Bispo is for the big boys lol....

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Germs
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
#25221373 - 05/22/18 05:37 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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2 grams of dried pan cyan in tea handed me my own ass on a silver platter It was crucial, to say the least
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Asura
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Humble Newcomer said: And since we are on the subject, what's the general consensus on potency?
Pan cyans which are roughly double potency of cubes and then pan trop, bisporus, and Cambo are all 3 stronfer but roughly the same?
Pans are weird. I'm not even sure you can say things like "double potency". In my experience, it's a completely different trip. I have had a fascination with them since I first tried them.
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mary fairchild
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Humble Newcomer said: And since we are on the subject, what's the general consensus on potency?
Pan cyans which are roughly double potency of cubes and then pan trop, bisporus, and Cambo are all 3 stronfer but roughly the same?
I'm pretty sure that for the Pans I bio-assayed- potency depended WAY more on the genetics of the strain, than what species of Pan. it was.
Comparing Pan cyan, cambo & bis; subjectively bisporus was the strongest for me, but they were close enough that there wasn't a clear winner. Likely there’s so much overlap in the potency ranges between the species that its too hard for me to judge. Not to mention the variability just between strains of a variety.
Edited by mary fairchild (05/22/18 10:10 PM)
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Dr. Freeman
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25222262 - 05/23/18 05:33 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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mary fairchild said:
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Humble Newcomer said: And since we are on the subject, what's the general consensus on potency?
Pan cyans which are roughly double potency of cubes and then pan trop, bisporus, and Cambo are all 3 stronfer but roughly the same?
I'm pretty sure that for the Pans I bio-assayed- potency depended WAY more on the genetics of the strain, than what species of Pan. it was.
Comparing Pan cyan, cambo & bis; subjectively bisporus was the strongest for me, but they were close enough that there wasn't a clear winner. Likely there’s so much overlap in the potency ranges between the species that its too hard for me to judge. Not to mention the variability just between strains of a variety.
I heard bisporus and cambodginiensis sandose are easier to grow. Is there a clear difference in difficulty and yield between those two species or does it also depends more on the genetics of the particular strain one manages to isolate? Or are al species in the Panaeolus genus roughly the same.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Freeman] 1
#25222323 - 05/23/18 06:33 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Intruder alert
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Peteyboy
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25222335 - 05/23/18 06:38 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love when the little plants sprout!
Beautiful photo...
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25222826 - 05/23/18 10:33 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dr. Freeman said:
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mary fairchild said:
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Humble Newcomer said: And since we are on the subject, what's the general consensus on potency?
Pan cyans which are roughly double potency of cubes and then pan trop, bisporus, and Cambo are all 3 stronfer but roughly the same?
I'm pretty sure that for the Pans I bio-assayed- potency depended WAY more on the genetics of the strain, than what species of Pan. it was.
Comparing Pan cyan, cambo & bis; subjectively bisporus was the strongest for me, but they were close enough that there wasn't a clear winner. Likely there’s so much overlap in the potency ranges between the species that its too hard for me to judge. Not to mention the variability just between strains of a variety.
I heard bisporus and cambodginiensis sandose are easier to grow. Is there a clear difference in difficulty and yield between those two species or does it also depends more on the genetics of the particular strain one manages to isolate? Or are al species in the Panaeolus genus roughly the same.
I think that between those two, difficulty and yield is due first to the genetics and second in importance is environmental conditions. Some species may be inherently more difficult to get good yields from, Im too much of a nube to venture a position on that.
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Dr. Freeman
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25222932 - 05/23/18 11:30 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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mary fairchild said: I think that between those two, difficulty and yield is due first to the genetics and second in importance is environmental conditions. Some species may be inherently more difficult to get good yields from, Im too much of a nube to venture a position on that.
I might be wrong but the way I see it so far, species of the Panaeolus genus are to each other what varieties are in the Psilocybe species. They look different but are overall the same regarding potency and growing parameters. I guess I'll choose the prettiest looking to grow.  Perhaps P. cambodginiensis sandose and the Panaeolus bisporus are a little ahead of the curve with no obvious superiority between the two.
Edited by Dr. Freeman (05/24/18 02:44 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25224280 - 05/23/18 09:56 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the answers
I initially thought pan cyans we're the most powerful when I got this print. Ive been wondering if that was going to be the case, that with pan species there actually since a wide window in potency. Where someone's cambos are stronger than my cyans but their cyans could be stronger than my cambos
I've read people talk about that with cubes but ime it's not worth it to breed for potency, it would be too hard to tell. Get a good producer that gives u canopies and that's that, bc of varying potency from fruit to fruit.
But ive been thinking I'd like to breed for potency on pans and how to go about doing that and the only way I can see it is by transferring away until I have separated several true isolates, fruit them, and have some friends try say 1.5g of each isolate at a time, separated by a few days in between
A dose where I hope everyone has a fairly mild enjoyable 3g cube kind of trip if it's average potency but if it's a juggernaut then maybe it'll be a full 5g trip and would be easy to spot the powerful ones and pick a winning culture. That's assuming there's that kind of variance in potency, of course.
Sounds like a ton of work. ....but fun work and fun testing lol
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If any of you kind people are in the business of sharing prints, please PM me.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mullugh]
#25225692 - 05/24/18 01:50 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Turns out mine were contaminated
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25226338 - 05/24/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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mary fairchild said: I think that between those two, difficulty and yield is due first to the genetics and second in importance is environmental conditions. Some species may be inherently more difficult to get good yields from, Im too much of a nube to venture a position on that.
I might be wrong but the way I see it so far, species of the Panaeolus genus are to each other what varieties are in the Psilocybe species. They look different but are overall the same regarding potency and growing parameters. I guess I'll choose the prettiest looking to grow.  Perhaps P. cambodginiensis sandose and the Panaeolus bisporus are a little ahead of the curve with no obvious superiority between the two.
I disagree, panaeolus Tropicalis has been consistently more potent than paneaolous cyanescens.
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  Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
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