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Just_A_Noob
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Josex]
#25141484 - 04/15/18 04:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Like a mother fuckin boss yo
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Just_A_Noob] 1
#25141512 - 04/15/18 04:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some more bi development. Dunked and cased the final 2 rounds that just finished colonizing. Hopefully the dunk will produce some better first flush results. This was the best looking so far. Gonna dunk them as well and recase after this flush. Was hoping for better results but they did do better on the second and third flush last time. The Goliath myc I have going is monstrous compared to the bi myc. It’ll be nice to run it on grain spawn.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25141603 - 04/15/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Congrats on the bis grow! A 15' dunk worked real well for me on bis. Cross your fingers and hope for the best.
Pan cambo- Goliath and Sandos have produced the fluffiest mycelia i've ever seen. Watch for blueing as the mycelia ages- stuff is potent.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild] 2
#25141684 - 04/15/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just spawned pan cyan Goliath into a shoebox. Hoping for fast growth and to case in 8 days or so.
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hamloaf
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild] 1
#25141685 - 04/15/18 06:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cope Bisporus, and Cope Sandose LC freshly drawn into syringes from LC nocced with T5 agar culture form spores.

Myco, cool grow. Fruits looks hungry for some fresh air.
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Mycolorado
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#25141749 - 04/15/18 06:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agreed; I’m playing with the fruiting conditions and have these in a tub with the lid cracked....
Thanks, mary fairchild! Xfered this Goliath last night and it’s already blowing up. And yeah, a couple of the cuts turned blue upon xfer...
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AlexSmitt
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25141813 - 04/15/18 06:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Myco, you aiming to take prints off those bisporus?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AlexSmitt] 1
#25141837 - 04/15/18 07:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, they print up nice. I have quite a few from the last round as well if you need one...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25142381 - 04/16/18 12:33 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Some more bi development. Dunked and cased the final 2 rounds that just finished colonizing. Hopefully the dunk will produce some better first flush results.
Can someone please explain to me about dunking before casing (if that is what is being referred to) . I noticed my substrates shrinking away from tray sides with a considerable gap opening up.
Most of my mushrooms grew from this gap. I took to filling this gap with water and leaving it overnight (just a wild stab in the dark). All that kept coming to mind was bluehelix saying " HYDRATE, HYDRATE, HYDRATE . . ".
I didn't really get a defined flush, just random pinning. I'm pretty sure this is because I had no idea what I was doing and was all over the place with casing colonisation durations and FC conditions. I kept tweaking stuff without really knowing what was going on, just guessing e.g. I used a fork to tear up the casing because it looked matted and sort of bound up. This worked and the tray pinned a few days later, from the middle as well as the edges. I think I should have put the trays into the FC straight after casing.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Numina]
#25142688 - 04/16/18 07:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yep, submersing the substrate in water. As far as your flush coming from the gaps, that’s where conditions were best as it sounds like the surface may have dried out and was in bad shape. High rh is key with Pans. Looks like you had some nice fruit in there!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#25142792 - 04/16/18 08:15 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Asura said: Just in case there is someone on this thread that hasn't seen Blue Helix's grows...this dude knows how to kill it.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13553249#13553249
Holy fuckballs Batman - this guy has some nice growlogs! Thanks for the link Asura, I spent a few hours last night reading through Blue Helix's grows and posts. I never stumbled onto them/him because I usually limit my searches to 5 years max and this guy was having real good success as far back as 2005. Lots of good info.
Also a big thanks to all of you guys participating in this thread. I have learned HEAPS here. I mostly lurk, and have read this monster start to finish. You guys rock
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: NarkedAt90ft]
#25142814 - 04/16/18 08:28 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, this happened to one shoebox. I saw it coming and kept it away from my others.
 No worries though, still have this.
 Quick question though, the one fruit at the bottom of the pic thats curled, part of the stem split and curled up. Is there a reason that's happening? I've seen it in previous grows.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25143796 - 04/16/18 04:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Myco, you're right, I had a bit of trouble with the FC RH at first. I had a 120mm fan blowing the ultrasonic output into the FC and even though it was only running on 9vdc, it was still mixing too much dry air with the mist. I changed to a smaller fan and was able to control the humidity much better.
Even though the straight straw substrate (my bias because I understand it better having only grown oysters before) produced some nice fruit, the cow poo based substrate seems much better. Next time I'll use a poo/straw/verm based substrate.
How long would you soak the substrate before casing? I keep adding water to the these trays and leaving it for a couple of hours or overnight and it doesn't seem to be doing any harm.
I think I figured out that I would have got pins much earlier and more abundant if I'd soaked the sub before casing and if I made the casing wetter. I'm pretty sure it was easily at field capacity but I dont think it would have hurt to make it a bit wetter. It could also have been the humidity problems I had early on in the process drying the casing out.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Numina]
#25144238 - 04/16/18 08:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Add water til overflowing and let sit, then drain. Dunk times would vary from case to case depending on sub type and starting water content. I soaked mine for a couple hours...we’ll see how it goes. I believe mary fairchild said she dunked hers for only 15 minutes and had great results. However, I don’t think it’s a magic bullet or anything. I think most issues with Pans are more a lack of adequate rh followed by too low temps.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AlexSmitt]
#25144665 - 04/17/18 01:02 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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AlexSmitt said: Well, this happened to one shoebox. I saw it coming and kept it away from my others.
 No worries though, still have this.
 Quick question though, the one fruit at the bottom of the pic thats curled, part of the stem split and curled up. Is there a reason that's happening? I've seen it in previous grows.
just being curious. do you find you have higher contamination rates on the substrate you leave on the side of your shoebox? it seems to me like it would be pretty risky, leaving it up there for all spores to germinate on.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Haywire]
#25144945 - 04/17/18 07:00 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's peat/verm and I'm only doing 1 flush and toss so I can figure out what works best for me. It'd look cleaner if I didn't case inside my SAB, which I only do out of fear of contamination since my work space is also my bedroom
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AlexSmitt
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AlexSmitt]
#25145085 - 04/17/18 08:42 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry for the double post, I've got a real issue and need some advice. This
 The caps are dark because I was waiting for them to open up some so I guess they started to die. I've noticed once the fruits reach the top of the shoebox they do that or the stem splits just under the cap and it curls, leading me to believe above my shoebox the conditions are less than favorable so I've been trying dub tub to no avail. I'd really like to get some prints, what does everyone suggest?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AlexSmitt]
#25145533 - 04/17/18 12:22 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Instead of dubtubbing, and/or lid fruiting consider placing trays in a monotub, or SGFC with bed of perlite instead. Even consider taking it a step beyond, and burying said trays into perlite.
Keep in mind pans are finikier with the RH than cubes, but require just as much, if not more fresh air to balance increased need for a high RH. As mary put it up thread, their need for a higher, and stable RH is due to pans small size of fruits.
Shook pan PF blocks to see how it would fair 4 days ago. Here is a look at them recovered and recolonizing next to bags that haven't been shook.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#25145538 - 04/17/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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inoculated a bunch of containers with pan cambo wedges and some lc. the other 'bottles' i made were mixed poorly and colonized insanely slow. but i got them fruiting.. pics soon.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
#25145568 - 04/17/18 12:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do have it in a monotub with perlite, the dub tub is inside it. I'm considering using a taller tub. Those bags are just oven bags? I'm not sure why I haven't given bags a try yet but I love seeing your colonizing bags Ham. Mushboy, can't wait to see your pics
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