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Doc9151
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#25132918 - 04/12/18 10:42 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Ha... I ain't saying nothing! JK.
Yeah, field aged horse poo. Conditions are 74-75F with the humidifier running. I need to add a fogger as it's so damn dry and the wick humidifier doesn't seem to be cutting it.
Your horse poo doesnt have to be field aged, if you put fresh poo in bucket and put it somewhere to dry thoroughly, it works great. Horse poo doesnt seem to have as high of a nitrogen content as cow or even chicken poo so it doesn't "burn" your shrooms.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#25132927 - 04/12/18 10:48 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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To be honest, it came from a huge pile of stall tossing that has been aging for years.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25132937 - 04/12/18 10:52 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: To be honest, it came from a huge pile of stall tossing that has been aging for years.
I love stall compost for cubes, it's the best there is in my opinion, better than straight poo. The strongest, most potent cubes I've ever had grew on horse stall compost.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#25132942 - 04/12/18 10:54 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Coincidence. Substrate has nothing to do with potency. Genetics is the main factor with conditions being the secondary factor. What's up with all these cube references in the Panaeolus thread lately?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#25132944 - 04/12/18 10:55 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is a "stall compost" please?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#25132947 - 04/12/18 10:56 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Manure that comes from horse stalls. It is usually treated with cedar woodchips to control oder. Cedar is an anti-fungal, as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hamloaf] 1
#25132972 - 04/12/18 11:05 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I think the quality of my poo is shit. It has a fair amount of wood in it which I hate...I'm sifting to remove debris and wood and will get some proper field apples soon.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25133029 - 04/12/18 11:39 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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My grain jar of my 2 month 4°C stored pan cyan goliath is nearly fully colonized. Going to be making up a 1:1:1 mix of coir:black kow (manure based compost):verm pasteurized sub and spawning in the next 2-4 days.
Exciting! Planning on casing with pastuerized Jiffy after full colonization. So excited to join and try these babies out!
I'm going to fruit in a shoebox, leave the lid on until pins then move to the greenhouse. Or should I put in the greenhouse after I case?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hamloaf] 1
#25133046 - 04/12/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: Coincidence. Substrate has nothing to do with potency. Genetics is the main factor with conditions being the secondary factor. What's up with all these cube references in the Panaeolus thread lately? 
That's my bad on throwing in the cube reference, it was a knee jerk reaction to the substrate mycolorado is using and it works oh so good (I'm curious to see how it works with pans.).
I'm not so sure substrate doesn't play a role in potency, I have had consistently more potent wild fruits in my horse stall compost than what's being picked from the cow pasture.
I'm going solely on my personal experience and statements made by: Paul Stamets, psilocybe fanaticus and Steven Peele of the Now defunct Northwest Florida mycology research center.
I'm not saying your wrong, there's not enough controlled research to say either side is right or wrong. It needs more study.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#25133103 - 04/12/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Make a comparison with a tested clone
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#25133148 - 04/12/18 12:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said:
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hamloaf said: Coincidence. Substrate has nothing to do with potency. Genetics is the main factor with conditions being the secondary factor. What's up with all these cube references in the Panaeolus thread lately? 
That's my bad on throwing in the cube reference, it was a knee jerk reaction to the substrate mycolorado is using and it works oh so good (I'm curious to see how it works with pans.).
I'm not so sure substrate doesn't play a role in potency, I have had consistently more potent wild fruits in my horse stall compost than what's being picked from the cow pasture.
I'm going solely on my personal experience and statements made by: Paul Stamets, psilocybe fanaticus and Steven Peele of the Now defunct Northwest Florida mycology research center.
I'm not saying your wrong, there's not enough controlled research to say either side is right or wrong. It needs more study.
Oh you're fine. It's just trippy about the cube references is all.
As far as substrate composition and opinions formed out of personal experiance, I have plenty of that to base my claims out of, as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#25133382 - 04/12/18 02:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Old school info also says shrooms grown on brown ricer are the most potent. I think size is compromised before potency, in a nutrient lacking environment.
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Then there's Stamets quoting Gartz in PMotW, stating that addition of small amount of tryptamine to substrate makes psilocybin content of the fruits much higher. The thread about it was closed by Roger Rabbit after years of inconclusivity. Someone with the means to measure psilo % should really do an experiment.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bacillus] 1
#25133522 - 04/12/18 03:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd like to work on that, gonna take a few years to get it set up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Failboat] 2
#25133686 - 04/12/18 05:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just in case there is someone on this thread that hasn't seen Blue Helix's grows...this dude knows how to kill it.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13553249#13553249
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] 1
#25133735 - 04/12/18 05:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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As mentioned in that thread I have also noticed success in producing even pinsets by letting the substrate almost dry out on top a few days after casing then giving it a heavy mist, with coir based sub and a varied sub of coir/manure compost/verm/gyp
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#25134386 - 04/12/18 10:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Careful about stable poo, fire ants love to build colonies in there mostly in the corners were its dryish.....oh no the flash backs are coming
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LemurLemur]
#25134464 - 04/12/18 10:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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LemurLemur said: Careful about stable poo, fire ants love to build colonies in there mostly in the corners were its dryish.....oh no the flash backs are coming
Them jokers like it no matter where it's at, another shroomery member and I went to the pasture the other day and I layed down next to a patty to take a picture and got an elbow full of ants.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Doc9151] 1
#25136324 - 04/13/18 05:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bisporus clone pins coming in and a nice Goliath germ plate:
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25136773 - 04/13/18 08:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shake or no shake?
Has anyone had healthy jars stall or other problems after shaking pan spawn?
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