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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jaybob]
#24680470 - 10/03/17 09:17 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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They're so tiny
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Shroomway
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
#24680477 - 10/03/17 09:22 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Do you guys still think this is mold? When is it supposed to sporulate if it's a mold?

To me it could be Pan Cyan mycelium. The way I see the transparent ring that always proceeds the white myc. Definitely transfer material to more new dishes. And see from there... I would transfer about now... and safe the donor dish to see what it is going to do regarding to sporulating...
That's what I also thought, the rings remind me of Pan Cyan myc. I just did two transfers to two other dishes and saved the donor plate.
Yeah I heard you talking about ring growth, true. Not sure if we are talking about the same ring though. I mean the leading leading leading edge ring . The barely visible transparent ring... (left side of the myc in your pic) Might be a trait of all molds but Pan myc surely does show that transparent ring (as do cubes). So might be Pan myc to me . Let us know when you are sure!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shroomway]
#24680529 - 10/03/17 09:43 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, that definitely looks like pan mycelium. from what i've seen the rings are usually a sign that the mycelium is fighting off infection but with that uniform growth on the outer edge like that you've got plenty of transferable growth to work with. good luck with the rest of the process. and be sure to hit up those transfer plates as soon the good growth reveals itself
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jaybob]
#24680641 - 10/03/17 10:37 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jaybob said: Hey guys I've be following for a while and had my first cambo pinset last week. For some reason the seem to have matured opened and spored w/o growing tall. They're like little open sporing caps right on the surface? How? Why? How do I avoid this next time
Pins on Thurs...

Tiny open caps on Monday morning

What's your lighting situation? And air exchange situation?
The substrate looks kinda dry to me...?
I'm still new to Pans. Other input on this?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Panarchist]
#24680715 - 10/03/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Xclozure said: how come straw? have u tried verm? scared of the good ol green monster.
i like straw mostly because it's cheap(50 pounds for under $20) but also because since it's a type of grass it has a somewhat similar nutrient profile to what pan mycelium grows on naturally which is grass in a digested form(manure). and when pasteurized properly it seems to be pretty resistant to infection. i haven't tried verm as a substrate ingredient mostly because i like to keep things simple but also because i haven't seen convincing evidence that it offers any benefit.
Damn I can get a bale of it for $3-4 where I am at, and that's a good amount. Maybe not 50LB but damn close.
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Xclozure said: I can't find lime straw on a google search. Have you guys done agar transfers with a flame sterilized blade before? lmao
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Primal Call]
#24680773 - 10/03/17 11:50 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jaybob said: Hey guys I've be following for a while and had my first cambo pinset last week. For some reason the seem to have matured opened and spored w/o growing tall. They're like little open sporing caps right on the surface? How? Why? How do I avoid this next time
Pins on Thurs...

Tiny open caps on Monday morning

What's your lighting situation? And air exchange situation?
The substrate looks kinda dry to me...?
I'm still new to Pans. Other input on this?
I have a tiny greenhouse w a light on either side (I don't remember the specs 62k or whatever's normally used. Ultrasonic and upward facing fan in bottom. 2 computer fans blowing fresh air from bottom. Not sure the the timings but set to run bt 90 and 95% humidity w fresh air once an hour which now sounds like too much writing it.
Light 12 on 12 off Jiffy casing barely 1/4 inch
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jaybob]
#24680778 - 10/03/17 11:52 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like not enough FAE IMO
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Xclozure]
#24680865 - 10/03/17 12:23 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Xclozure said: I can't find lime straw on a google search
Lime straw is a cold pasteurization tek using extreme pH to kill contams. Ca(OH)₂ at pH 12+
Water should be no warmer than room temp.
Make sure to wear a mask and gloves when handling the powder.
Side note: it also works quite well with alfalfa which nearly has the equivalent protein content of meat.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Snazz]
#24680868 - 10/03/17 12:25 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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what the fuck??!?!!!??? stop this nonsense people, newbs browse these boards
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24680908 - 10/03/17 12:37 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: sounds like not enough FAE IMO 
I should have clarified I'm sorry. Once every hour for 15min on FAE fans. More? I'll up it next round.
Is there a shot still for a normal 2nd flush or dump it?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jaybob]
#24680935 - 10/03/17 12:45 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I honestly have no clue, I should have kept my mouth shut. all I know is what I'm used to and that's passive fresh air exchange. and that's constant. I don't know how frequently you need to have them on, it depends on how big the GH is and how much gas conversion is taking place. IE how much sub is in there
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24680957 - 10/03/17 12:50 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24680962 - 10/03/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gotcha. No worries mate. I'll get it eventually
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jaybob]
#24681167 - 10/03/17 01:55 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jaybob, i think it's possible that the high humidity could be an issue in addition to the lack of FAE. some may disagree but i don't think pans really need high humidity after pins form because it inhibits evaporation off the substrate which is a key pinning trigger. i've seen at least a few experienced growers state that an RH between the 60's and 70's is more ideal as fruits develop.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Panarchist]
#24681175 - 10/03/17 01:58 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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that sounds about right considering where pans usually grow and that it's usually after rain
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jaybob]
#24681177 - 10/03/17 01:58 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’m having a hard time keeping the humidity and FAE balanced, kind of what I expected. I read that not enough FAE will cause small fruits, but when I take the top off for more airflow the surface dries out. And of course we all know misting pan pins will cause them to abort. I got one of those super fine misters that doesn’t put out droplets and sprayed it upwards a few feet over the tub a few moments this morning, hoping that it helped more than it harmed
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Germs]
#24681410 - 10/03/17 03:40 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about using a syringe and gently shooting waster around the pins on the substrate. You could strategically place where the water is to moisten the surface but not get the pins wet, that is unless you have a crazy good pin set.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Panarchist]
#24681474 - 10/03/17 04:06 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Panarchist said: Jaybob, i think it's possible that the high humidity could be an issue in addition to the lack of FAE. some may disagree but i don't think pans really need high humidity after pins form because it inhibits evaporation off the substrate which is a key pinning trigger. i've seen at least a few experienced growers state that an RH between the 60's and 70's is more ideal as fruits develop.
I'll try that as well. I really want to be able to fruit these in my GH. I'll lower the humidity and up the FAE tni and see if it flushes again.
Do you wet before flush 2 or just let it go? On cubes i always did but don't know how these react to rewetting after flushing
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TheMadHatter420 said: What about using a syringe and gently shooting waster around the pins on the substrate. You could strategically place where the water is to moisten the surface but not get the pins wet, that is unless you have a crazy good pin set.
That's a really good one. I keep that one in mind if I ever get my Pan culture to fruit 
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