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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils] * 1
    #28625497 - 01/18/24 03:52 AM (9 days, 19 hours ago)

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After many attempts it seems I will have something ) Mystery SA.





Nice mate! I think a lot of people have struggled to get those to fruit so well done!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] * 1
    #28625529 - 01/18/24 05:26 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

Wanted to add to the Bisporus comments.

I've dosed it three times now,.25, 8g wet, and .25 again last night with 10g wet stones.

It has a very medicine vibe for me if that makes sense.  Warm and friendly but at the same time opening in ways that may reveal darkness needing to be worked with.

Kinda like cubes but with a lot more I got you energy to explore the darkness.

As opposed to stones that can be more recreational.

Of course my set and setting was a factor in all of the above.  But three times so far Bisporus has had this vibe for me.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #28625531 - 01/18/24 05:28 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

Sounds good, I'm going to go spawn my bispo plates into the trash bin then :lol:

The last few times I've tripped on regular ass cubes  they've gone kinda dark..I don't need anything that goes all the way dark


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #28625533 - 01/18/24 05:32 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

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Sounds good, I'm going to go spawn my bispo plates into the trash bin then :lol:

The last few times I've tripped on regular ass cubes  they've gone kinda dark..I don't need anything that goes all the way dark




The darkness is in me from conditioning.  The Bisporus is helping me work through it and holds space better than cubes imo.

I wouldn't toss your plates lol

But you might like stones if you haven't had them.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #28625538 - 01/18/24 05:42 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

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Sounds good, I'm going to go spawn my bispo plates into the trash bin then :lol:

The last few times I've tripped on regular ass cubes  they've gone kinda dark..I don't need anything that goes all the way dark




The darkness is in me from conditioning.  The Bisporus is helping me work through it and holds space better than cubes imo.

I wouldn't toss your plates lol

But you might like stones if you haven't had them.





Nah I was just fuckin' around. My max dose is like 1.5g PE - the Pans aren't for me anyway :lol: I'm super stoked to run them. With that kind of potency I'm going to feel like I've got a tub full of Cobras or something lol.

I'll look into stones if you think they're more mild though :thumbup:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794] * 1
    #28625539 - 01/18/24 05:45 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

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Just refering back to the discussion between Reishiman and Tree Frog...

Pasteurisation
I found this Tek by FrankHorrigan to be the "last word" on pasteurisation.
Frank's Proper Pasteurization Tek 3.0
Assuming you don't have a Sous-whats-it.

In case you are not aware any sub that has grains in has the lowest chance of failure when sterilized.

The turning point in my Pan grows came from reading Stonesun's "As easy as Cubes" series. The feature in those grow-logs is that the trials were done in either monotubs or dubtubs AND with the same methods.

And if you haven't looked at Baba Yaga's on going 🍄🍄🍄 PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 🍄🍄🍄... Get over there, a lot of good info.

YMMV
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Thanks Genome. Yeah that pasteurization tek is pretty much what I do although I had not seen that thread so thanks for that. I noticed he doesn't specify what he's pasteurizing in the tek. I would assume that it wouldn't matter that manure is included as long as it's done properly?(and spawn is clean) He says 140 to 160 for an hour so I'll probably play with some different temps to see what works. (no reason to pasteurize more than necessary I would think)
    Also funny you should mention about the different fruiting chamber. I had recently built this monster of a fc especially for pans

  But the exhaust fan is over 700 cmf(bought for a flow hood but just using sab for everything seems to be working.) So I think it's probably too much fae even on low speed for 20 second intervals.
  So I'm using it for medicinal varieties like lions mane and for my next pans I'm in the process of building a fc out of plywood built into a box lined with roofing material on the inside. And a small exhaust fan and just a one disc ultrasonic humidifier will hopefully be enough for humidity. It's about 3 feet by 2 feet and 3 feet tall so about 15 square feet. So hopefully I can get that dialed in right but I think I also want to try the monotubs too seeing the other members results. It would be ideal for hobby growing to grow in tubs because of their energy efficiency among other things so would definitely like to hone my skills to be able to do that. I get the sense that strain selection is especially important with the tub grows and I just had some Mexicana a strain pins on agar so I'll use those genetics to see if it'll fruit in a tub.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Reishiman]
    #28625540 - 01/18/24 05:49 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

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Ok so you already spawned your brf cakes to the bulk substrate? Or maybe it was an all in one grow bag with grains mixed in and pre sterilized? Either way you could try experimenting with what you just said. Not sure if it would be better to mix it together or sprinkle it on top. Maybe you could try both with half the cake one way and half the other way. Just make sure you throw a casing on it after fully colonized (look up 50/50 casing) if you don't know about that. Casing is also usually considered a necessity for pans in addition to the manure.
    Also not to discourage but to prepare for the worst I would start doing some agar work for the next grow in case this one goes south. You're going to want to get started ASAP on another attempt. Hope for  the best, prepare for the worst and get another culture going would be my advice. Because either way agar work is inexpensive and fun. Also good for piece of mind knowing you got culture on back up.
Edit: pictures might help because I'm not sure what you got going on. You might be able to just spawn to a bulk substrate with manure included and pasturized. Especially if you just have brf colonized at the moment.




It was an all in one brown rice flour bag thingy, I'll attach some photos of it. Off to read up on casing as I find that aspect a bit confusing!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AdderLadder] * 2
    #28625543 - 01/18/24 05:54 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

Yes Pan gang, first attempt at these mythical status shrooms. How's this germ plate? I'm tempted to do a josex poke to LC if it looks clean to you all but it's probably best to transfer again first right?



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl] * 4
    #28625544 - 01/18/24 05:57 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

Stones are super visual.  Very bright.  Colorful.

I can be clear headed enough to have a conversation while experiencing three dimensional geometry.  This starts around 15g wet and gets thick at 20.  But even at 20 I can talk to someone I trust.  RR called them philosopher stones for this reason.

Little anxiety and body load.

Excellent recreational trip with friends.  Gave ten grams wet to four friends and we all had a good time and everyone wished they'd taken a bit more (I let them pick a range and everyone wanted to start low).

For recreational drugs with friends it's up there with MDMA for me.  Less lovey dovey of course but for tripping with friends I prefer it to over any classical psychedelic aside from maybe mescaline.

For meditation the visuals from stones can get distracting above 10g.  Bisporus for me has been deep and subtle.  The combination last night was pretty nice.  Lit up the darkness a bit.  Saw a friendly Bisporus spirit and she told me she was holding space.  That's not something cubes have ever been so direct with.  A presence yes, but not an appearance.  If that's making sense.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AdderLadder] * 1
    #28625545 - 01/18/24 05:57 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

Adder Ladder: Ok it looks like brf mostly. Hmm I don't have any experience with pre made grow bags so you might wait for someone with more experience but if it were me I'd probably break that up and spawn to bulk. Look up spawning to bulk substrates and look up spawn recipes for pans. I think you'll find most call for 30% manure or more. Also when searching for information and teks on shroomery try to find more recent threads and look at what people say about it. Also look for things said by trusted cultivators tags because well they're advice is usually trustworthy.

Edit: Stonesun's easy as cubes threads are a little older but basically considered timeless and a good place to start looking into procedures if you haven't read that one yet. It's well written, organized, and simple but refined. It also outlines the whole growing process start to finish and shows the different growing requirements of different species. It's basically a series of threads and I know at least one is specifically about Panaeolus species. I believe Red Down Under is the exact species that was grown for the pan part of the series. Just look up easy as cubes and you will find it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #28625585 - 01/18/24 07:10 AM (9 days, 16 hours ago)

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Stones are super visual.  Very bright.  Colorful.

I can be clear headed enough to have a conversation while experiencing three dimensional geometry.  This starts around 15g wet and gets thick at 20.  But even at 20 I can talk to someone I trust.  RR called them philosopher stones for this reason.

Little anxiety and body load.

Excellent recreational trip with friends.  Gave ten grams wet to four friends and we all had a good time and everyone wished they'd taken a bit more (I let them pick a range and everyone wanted to start low).

For recreational drugs with friends it's up there with MDMA for me.  Less lovey dovey of course but for tripping with friends I prefer it to over any classical psychedelic aside from maybe mescaline.

For meditation the visuals from stones can get distracting above 10g.  Bisporus for me has been deep and subtle.  The combination last night was pretty nice.  Lit up the darkness a bit.  Saw a friendly Bisporus spirit and she told me she was holding space.  That's not something cubes have ever been so direct with.  A presence yes, but not an appearance.  If that's making sense.





Your description of stones sounds like it is exactly what I've been chasing since I got into psychedelics. Do you have a favored stone producing species/variety, and do you have any to spare? :lol:

Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me though I really appreciate it and actually understood what you were explaining. I'm really excited to FINALLY be running pans (and stones).


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl] * 1
    #28625608 - 01/18/24 07:32 AM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

We're working the rest of this conversation out in pms so we don't derail the thread.

But atl 7 is nice for stones for anyone else curious.  Excellent yields, fast.  Consistent potency.  Workman did an excellent job stabilizing the strain and I've been very happy with it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #28625679 - 01/18/24 08:50 AM (9 days, 14 hours ago)

I got some ‘stoney’ looking agar plates with quite a few of my pans. With RDU I found it’s pretty common. I wonder what would happen if you cloned such a thing, inoculated a jar and left the far for a few months.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794]
    #28625739 - 01/18/24 10:10 AM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

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Stonesun's "As easy as Cubes" series




Since I went to look it up, I thought I'd add the link: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/15449104


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pablotx]
    #28626054 - 01/18/24 03:21 PM (9 days, 7 hours ago)

My ttbvi seems a good bit shorter than other peoples. Its winter here. Was snowing the other day. Im thinking theyre not growing as tall because of the low temperature. What do yous think?



Either way this will be the last run for me until it warms up a bit. Theyve definitely grown alright in shoeboxes but I think they should be kept at a half quart spawn per 6 qt box.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
    #28626168 - 01/18/24 04:46 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

They’re beautiful aspect


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28626268 - 01/18/24 05:45 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

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Either way this will be the last run for me until it warms up a bit. Theyve definitely grown alright in shoeboxes but I think they should be kept at a half quart spawn per 6 qt box.




Hey was just wondering. Is that a half quart of spawn to what substrate ratio and about how thick would it make the substrate if you happen to know? I'm looking to try growing in tubs. Also that looks like a tray in the picture. Is this something different or did you put the whole tray within the shoe box?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Reishiman] * 3
    #28626375 - 01/18/24 06:59 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

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Either way this will be the last run for me until it warms up a bit. Theyve definitely grown alright in shoeboxes but I think they should be kept at a half quart spawn per 6 qt box.




Hey was just wondering. Is that a half quart of spawn to what substrate ratio and about how thick would it make the substrate if you happen to know? I'm looking to try growing in tubs. Also that looks like a tray in the picture. Is this something different or did you put the whole tray within the shoe box?




The tray was just an easy way to take a picture of the mushroom's height. I have others in shoeboxes but I also had the tray in the shoebox but that was unrelated to my comment about spawn amount.

I did half quarts of spawn to 6 qt shoeboxes at a 1:2 ratio of 20% horse manure in coir plus another 0.5 qt top layer, so 1:2.5 total I guess. After a very thin casing about a week later the depth was at 1.5".

I also did a few full quarts of spawn to 6 qt shoeboxes at the same ratio and everything and they all side pinned heavily. Naturally the full quart shoeboxes were at an increased sub depth, roughly 2.5". Obviously I cant be completely sure the side pinning is because of the increased sub depth just because of this, but to me it just seems a half quart is a much nicer fit for a shoebox than a full quart.

Half quart




Full quart



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma]
    #28626388 - 01/18/24 07:11 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

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They’re beautiful aspect




They sure are. But as beautiful as they are, theyre hard to harvest. Ive seen others harvest and they dont seem to have as much trouble. Seemingly because theirs are taller? Idk. I put my finger on the stem just below the cap and knock them over, hoping to hear a satisfying snap in the process. But a lot of the time theres significant sub left on the bottom or sub gets pulled up in the process. Theyre more sturdy than they look.


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    #28626631 - 01/19/24 12:20 AM (8 days, 22 hours ago)

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Either way this will be the last run for me until it warms up a bit. Theyve definitely grown alright in shoeboxes but I think they should be kept at a half quart spawn per 6 qt box.




Hey was just wondering. Is that a half quart of spawn to what substrate ratio and about how thick would it make the substrate if you happen to know? I'm looking to try growing in tubs. Also that looks like a tray in the picture. Is this something different or did you put the whole tray within the shoe box?




The tray was just an easy way to take a picture of the mushroom's height. I have others in shoeboxes but I also had the tray in the shoebox but that was unrelated to my comment about spawn amount.

I did half quarts of spawn to 6 qt shoeboxes at a 1:2 ratio of 20% horse manure in coir plus another 0.5 qt top layer, so 1:2.5 total I guess. After a very thin casing about a week later the depth was at 1.5".

I also did a few full quarts of spawn to 6 qt shoeboxes at the same ratio and everything and they all side pinned heavily. Naturally the full quart shoeboxes were at an increased sub depth, roughly 2.5". Obviously I cant be completely sure the side pinning is because of the increased sub depth just because of this, but to me it just seems a half quart is a much nicer fit for a shoebox than a full quart.

Half quart




Full quart







Ok. Thank you for that info and congrats on your grow.

That's interesting about the side pinning. I wonder if maybe the extra depth made it too dense or something. I'll have to try some thinner substrates. I was making them about 2.5 inches but then again mine failed before even pinning. Going to go thinner next time though regardless.


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