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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MojaveMyc]
#28616330 - 01/10/24 12:10 PM (17 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Should I bring to field capacity before pasteurizing? And should I still use CV with it?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma]
#28616351 - 01/10/24 12:34 PM (17 days, 10 hours ago) |
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The steam helps the pasteurization process so yes, bring to field capacity.
You can go a bit on the dry side and add more water later (I do this with casing to make it easier to apply). But the water helps it to pasteurize.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28616396 - 01/10/24 01:02 PM (17 days, 10 hours ago) |
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I’ll be using a sous vide to cook it. Or should I do what baba does and steep my coir in a poo tea before pasteurizing. Because I don’t know if it’s grassfed or grainfed and I don’t want undigested grain in the mix. Is there a way to know?
Edited by EniQma (01/10/24 01:13 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma]
#28616409 - 01/10/24 01:12 PM (17 days, 10 hours ago) |
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EniQma said:
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Id like to thank god, my parents, Supa, and the rest of you here at shroomery.
It only took a year, but ive succeeded. At both pans and nats. On the same day no less. Its crazy how things work out. Persistence will always overcome whatever resistance the universe puts up.


Unrelated but here are my nats finally pinning after a year of inexplicable failure.

 How thick is that casing?
Casing was applied as thin as I could possibly spread it on.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma] 2
#28616494 - 01/10/24 02:52 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago) |
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EniQma said: I’ll be using a sous vide to cook it. Or should I do what baba does and steep my coir in a poo tea before pasteurizing. Because I don’t know if it’s grassfed or grainfed and I don’t want undigested grain in the mix. Is there a way to know?
Baba pasteurizes the Poo Tea first. Then hydrates the coir.
There seem to be a few different ways of doing it. It’s Important to understand field capacity with poop and not let it get too wet. I’ve done this and it sucks. There’s a learning curve for sure. But it’s easy to bridge. I’m thinking I’ll be doing 50/50 coir/poo with Verm to balance for the rest of my time growing. Being able to have the added nutrients and other benefits are worth it to me.
As a noob to pans I chose to work with already hydrated coir, and then breaking up the aged manure I have access to by weight.
7 lbs hydrated coir 3 lbs under capacity hpoo Add Verm to balance
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheAtlantean] 1
#28617245 - 01/11/24 06:20 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago) |
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I'm currently running my poo in jars with my grains. Basically, 100-200ml boiled rye berries to 400-500ml of poo/verm (screened the black kow poo, added water until it was muddy, added verm until it was light and fluffy and the dry side of field capacity).
I'll mix this with field capacity coir when I spawn. Probably one quart coir to one quart rye/poo/verm.
This is with Bisporus, which have been difficult to get run on straight grain spawn.
But anyway, another way of going about poo is to do it in the jar and sterilize it. Then, I assume, you don't have to worry about unsprouted seeds.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] 10
#28617266 - 01/11/24 06:38 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Everything is going swimmingly.

The ones in the martha arent growing as well for whatever reason. Only a few small pins so far.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma]
#28617439 - 01/11/24 09:58 AM (16 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Hi all,
Excited to get back to growing pans after taking almost a year off, and it's great to see that this community is still going strong!
Had a question about prepping my substrate. In the past, I ran a mixture of manure, straw, and verm, which I would pasteurize. After reading the recent posts, I've seen that a lot of people are now having great success with coir in place of straw. Do you guys recommend that I mix the coir, manure, and verm together and then pasteurize all of it at once (assuming the coir/verm has been prepped using the bucket tek method), or is sterilization preferred?
Thank you!
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Quote:
old_fart_out_west said: Hi all,
Excited to get back to growing pans after taking almost a year off, and it's great to see that this community is still going strong!
Had a question about prepping my substrate. In the past, I ran a mixture of manure, straw, and verm, which I would pasteurize. After reading the recent posts, I've seen that a lot of people are now having great success with coir in place of straw. Do you guys recommend that I mix the coir, manure, and verm together and then pasteurize all of it at once (assuming the coir/verm has been prepped using the bucket tek method), or is sterilization preferred?
Thank you!
The usual approach is to bucket tek your coir and verm and pasteurise your manure separately. Mix together at spawning. Has always worked well for me and countless others
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
#28617465 - 01/11/24 10:26 AM (16 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Thank you for the quick reply!
One follow-up question: I know the right water quantity for the coir/verm, but what about the manure? Are you putting enough water in so that a good amount drips when squeezing hard (but not a stream of water), or are you only looking for a few drips, given that the coir/verm will be pretty hydrated after prepping it?
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Make your manure and coir so that a few drips of water when squeezing hard. When everything is mixed together it should be just under field capacity.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Floret] 3
#28617683 - 01/11/24 02:07 PM (16 days, 9 hours ago) |
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I think maybe I used too much steroids, any reason why the myc would be reclaiming the shrooms? Not enough fae?

 I gave the lids a crack for now but would love some insight, these TTBVI are just extreme!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 3.A.M]
#28617765 - 01/11/24 03:38 PM (16 days, 7 hours ago) |
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All my tubs are only pinning on one side. Any thoughts?
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Not sure about pinning on one side but I just had a closer look at mine and they’re pinning all sides, should I have used a liner or compressed it? Maybe I’ve got too much fae? For my first grow I was concerned about getting pins at all and now I’m stressing because they’re everywhere! Also just figured that the myc isn’t taking over the shrooms but growing over/through the casing that’s been lifted up with them, just brushed it off.
 Both tubs are like this on every face.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 3.A.M] 2
#28617990 - 01/11/24 07:06 PM (16 days, 4 hours ago) |
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My TTBVI grows have been very heavy on the side pins as well. My other trays have no issue fruiting up top. Also wondering if compression might be the answer
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] 1
#28618000 - 01/11/24 07:16 PM (16 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Have you been compressing then? I don’t compress any of substrates. Not for cubes, pans or anything. Never liked the idea of that. I was told straw provides aeration. So putting two and two together, I decided maybe that’s what pans crave lol and didn’t compress
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] 1
#28618017 - 01/11/24 07:32 PM (16 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Glad I’m not the only one!
And I reckon I’ll try liners for the next ones Supa, you don’t get side pins at all with these?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 3.A.M] 1
#28618029 - 01/11/24 07:43 PM (16 days, 3 hours ago) |
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I guess few but nothing like that.. similar to AspectiftheCreators above ^ and I don’t use liners for the pans
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 1
#28618066 - 01/11/24 08:20 PM (16 days, 2 hours ago) |
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I leveled very lightly with a rubber grout float. Did press ever so slightly around the perimeter. Hardly any pressure though.
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