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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SupaThaRipper]
    #28610541 - 01/05/24 01:39 PM (22 days, 9 hours ago)

Appreciate the responses and the offer.

I'll send you a pm when I get home Supa.  An aggressive species that likes grains sounds really nice!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
    #28610574 - 01/05/24 02:17 PM (22 days, 8 hours ago)

Anyone have issues with senescense here?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: maui] * 5
    #28610692 - 01/05/24 03:38 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago)

Well things are definitely moving now.

TTBVI T1 and Spore plates for Texas Titans and Florida Blue Springs.








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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28610705 - 01/05/24 03:46 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago)

Another update

4 days post spawn and we have clouds. What should the next step be? Consolidation? If so, how long? Should I case now? What casing recipe should I follow?







Something seems wrong with the 1 on the left. Wish I knew why its stalled.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28610725 - 01/05/24 03:56 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago)

Case and fruit!  Put into fruiting conditions asap. 

MiB, TTBVi, and ocassionally Blue Springs are on cknsistent 4 days to bulk colonize substrate.  It's crazy to see on extra large trays.

Casing I just use 250g peat, 250g verm, 15g lime, 1L water.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28610730 - 01/05/24 03:57 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago)

Same genetics on the left AotC?

The casing recipe I would use would be pickling lime, peat, and verm.  I think without lime those aggressive genetics would overlay.

I think I did one tablespoon of lime to one quart of peat, but I'm going to see if I can find the ratios if someone doesn't correct me first.  Stuff came out smelling like wet concrete.

edit:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27177370/fpart/1/vc/1

fahster uses 1 tsp per cup of peat which is a bit stronger than what I did (a tablespoon is 3 tsp.  So he's using four and I did three).  I also bought a cheap ph tester like he has in the thread and honestly the thing sits on my shelf.  It's a pita to get an accurate reading with and I kinda regret buying the thing.  A tablespoon of lime per quart of peat seems just fine so far.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
    #28610791 - 01/05/24 05:13 PM (22 days, 6 hours ago)

This has been the casing I have been using for everything. The gypsum is probably unnecessary for pans since they are fast, but I have it and it does no harm. I use the same casing for subtropicalis and other slow stuff, so I figure it might help.

Casing per quart jar
2 cups peat
1.5 cups verm
0.75 cups water
3 tsp gypsum
1 tsp lime

use colander or kitty liter scoop to sift peat and add 2 cups loose sifted peat into 1 quart jar
add 3tsp gypsum and 1 tsp lime to jar, close lid and shake until thoroughly mixed
add 1.5 cups verm leaving enough room to shake, close lid and shake until thoroughly mixed
add 3/4 cup water, close lid and shake until thoroughly mixed
place 4 jars in Instant Pot with enough water to reach 1/2 to 3/4 up the jars
If doing less than 4 jars, use water filled jars to keep the single jar from falling over
set Instant Pot to Keep Warm Medium for 4 hours and let it run the cycle
remove jars when cool and use within 2 weeks or do another keep warm cycle if over 2 weeks


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #28610793 - 01/05/24 05:14 PM (22 days, 6 hours ago)

Yea theyre all the same genetics. Same exact plate. All my plates grew out funky and star-like expect 1 perfectly symetrical one. Needless to say I used the round one.

Ive been using 7.5 grams hydrated lime per 1 qt peat 1 quart verm. Just making sure thats the right amount. Need to check what volume that equates to.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28611303 - 01/06/24 06:37 AM (21 days, 16 hours ago)

Just want to make 2x sure this is the right stuff for casing. Ive been using 7.5 grams dissolved in 600 mL water per mix of 1 quart peat and 1 quart verm. 1 tsp is exactly 4 g.





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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: maui]
    #28611306 - 01/06/24 06:43 AM (21 days, 16 hours ago)

I was once told you could fill a whole airplane hanger full of mushrooms before worrying about that. So i havent ever since 🤷‍♂️


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
    #28611401 - 01/06/24 08:21 AM (21 days, 14 hours ago)

Quote:

AspectOfTheCreator said:
Just want to make 2x sure this is the right stuff for casing. Ive been using 7.5 grams dissolved in 600 mL water per mix of 1 quart peat and 1 quart verm. 1 tsp is exactly 4 g.








Yeap, been using the same stuff for the last couple months.  I use about 400ml more water than you and 15g of lime.  Same rough amount of peat and verm.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
    #28611461 - 01/06/24 09:12 AM (21 days, 14 hours ago)

Really? Double the lime??? And if I use anymore water it ends up being soup. I cant decide what recipe to use


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28611470 - 01/06/24 09:19 AM (21 days, 13 hours ago)

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AspectOfTheCreator said:
Really? Double the lime??? And if I use anymore water it ends up being soup. I cant decide what recipe to use




Measure by weight for everything. 

My casing is very dry at 1L (1000g) water.

15g lime puts me at between 7.7 and 8.1ph on my meter.

Or you could do roughly 40g of carbonate or a combination of 7g lime and 20g of carbonate.

Ive run all 3 with little to no noticeable difference in ph or effect.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
    #28611497 - 01/06/24 09:49 AM (21 days, 13 hours ago)

I settled on 8 g lime in 750 mL water mixed into 1 qt peat and 1 qt verm. It made a very wet casing. The pasteurization process usually dries it out anyway.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28611504 - 01/06/24 09:56 AM (21 days, 13 hours ago)

Quote:

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I settled on 8 g lime in 750 mL water mixed into 1 qt peat and 1 qt verm. It made a very wet casing. The pasteurization process usually dries it out anyway.




:sheepish:  Ill keep my big mouth shut from now on.

Ok just got home and double checked my notes.  I do 2qts each on peat and verm for my mix with 15g lime and 1L water.

Im so sorry Aspect.  So your intial recipe was spot on.

At this point id just make your batch double (add another quart peat and 1qt verm) and adjust the water up 250mL and add 7g lime.

The extra wet will work just fine, but spreading it will suck a bit.  Even if you squeeze it out.  But youll be soaking her down post casing anyways. 


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave] * 1
    #28611622 - 01/06/24 11:23 AM (21 days, 11 hours ago)

Its cool. No harm done. If anything I'm now more concerned about my pasteurization temps.

I'm using different meat thermometers but they seem to be inaccurate. My good one broke. One is saying 165F and the other is saying 150 F. Pretty sure either temp would be fine though.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 8
    #28611834 - 01/06/24 02:59 PM (21 days, 8 hours ago)

2nd MS Bisporus tub which is doing well. It's the same culture as the other one that produced some chonkers. Glad this tub came through and I had another chance of taking some clones from those examples with bigger caps after the first substrate took a dive into the kitchen sink.




Fruits from other MS grows are looking more like regular pans.




The substrate I scooped out of the sink back into the tub (lower 2/3s in image) has been kept in colonization conditions and it recovered well. Even some pins kept growing. I have put it back into fruiting and cased it this morning. So far so good, just a little excess water pooling at the bottom.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #28612030 - 01/06/24 05:30 PM (21 days, 5 hours ago)

How long do i let my ttbvi shoeboxes consolidate before casing?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28612070 - 01/06/24 06:08 PM (21 days, 5 hours ago)

Till they consolidate


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 5
    #28612170 - 01/06/24 07:22 PM (21 days, 3 hours ago)

Pan Cyanescens Huasteca doesn't want to drop spores. Substrate with horse manure, straw, and a little bit of coco coir with verm, as usual. Oats spawn 1/4.
The gills are maroonish, and the fruits are bright white. Temperature 26 C, FAE as usual. What worked well for other pans seems not to work for them.
What do you think? Could misting help?




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