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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fraki58]
#28596648 - 12/24/23 02:01 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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I'd stay away with the brownish part but otherwise looks like good myc
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inski
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First attempt with Panaeolus cyanescens I believe TTBVI.
Sorry for the below average phone image, these were so tiny and difficult to photograph, LC directly to substrate then a properly pasteurised casing layer was applied, my casing material always seems to dry out a lot during pasteurisation so I had to hydrate after application.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: inski] 1
#28597650 - 12/25/23 03:05 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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I mix my casing up below field capacity and just soak it after applying lol. Iโm always curious about adding LC straight to sub. How fast did your substrate colonize?
How many species have you gotten away with doing this? Or would be easier to answer which species this didnโt work for?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 1
#28597660 - 12/25/23 03:12 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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So far everything I've tried has worked from LC directly to substrate, Hericium, Cyclocybe, Psilocybe, these were fully colonised within a week but I left them a bit longer.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: inski] 2
#28597744 - 12/25/23 04:43 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Awesome! Always wanted to try this. How much LC would you add to quart of substrate? 10cc?
I know you said you pasteurized your casing but did you sterilize or pasteurize the substrate before adding LC?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 2
#28597786 - 12/25/23 05:34 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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The tub has been cased with a pasteurized 50/50 casing mix of peat moss and vermiculite with Hydrated lime as Ph adjustment (10/10/0.25 ratio)

Casing was mixed at slightly below field capacity for easier application, it was then thoroughly sprayed with a mister. Does it look properly hydrated?
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Hard to tell from your picture but it should be just glistening
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#28597799 - 12/25/23 05:50 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: Awesome! Always wanted to try this. How much LC would you add to quart of substrate? 10cc?
I know you said you pasteurized your casing but did you sterilize or pasteurize the substrate before adding LC?
I don't really know about quarts, we use liters and milliliters here, I probably overdid it a bit but it was 5ml LC to about 300ml of substrate, these are fairly small containers but I like them for trials and small experiments.
The substrate was properly sterilised, 2 hours at 15psi.
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Its hard to tell even in person. Unless/until it gets colonized.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: inski]
#28597806 - 12/25/23 05:56 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
inski said:
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SupaThaRipper said: Awesome! Always wanted to try this. How much LC would you add to quart of substrate? 10cc?
I know you said you pasteurized your casing but did you sterilize or pasteurize the substrate before adding LC?
I don't really know about quarts, we use liters and milliliters here, I probably overdid it a bit but it was 5ml LC to about 300ml of substrate, these are fairly small containers but I like them for trials and small experiments.
The substrate was properly sterilised, 2 hours at 15psi.
For our mycology purposes 1 quart = 1 liter
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OK so probably about 15ml per quart then๐
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: inski] 1
#28597820 - 12/25/23 06:06 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Yeah just gathered that and was about to comment. But thatโs great! Iโm excited to try this! Thanks man!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 1
#28597831 - 12/25/23 06:18 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: Yeah just gathered that and was about to comment. But thatโs great! Iโm excited to try this! Thanks man!
Good luck, I'll look forward to seeing your progress ๐
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: inski] 13
#28598096 - 12/25/23 10:41 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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I'm rocking pans all winter spring and summer; this bad boy maxed out dry at 1 ounce first flush, then another 1 ounce second flush -on multiple tubs.. waiting on the third flush now. ttbvi
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: trippleblack]
#28598430 - 12/26/23 09:34 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Beauty!
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Re: Fissure officielle de Copelandia/Panaeolus [Re: Mycolorado] 7
#28598580 - 12/26/23 12:48 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Re: Fissure officielle de Copelandia/Panaeolus [Re: Nobler Hino] 6
#28598679 - 12/26/23 02:52 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Time to join the dark Side...
My TTBVI Swab arrived today. Already on Agar. Thanks again @SupaThaRipper
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Re: Fissure officielle de Copelandia/Panaeolus [Re: RockinRobot] 2
#28598876 - 12/26/23 06:04 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Transfered some Cinctulus stones to agar, seems to be making more.
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Re: Fissure officielle de Copelandia/Panaeolus [Re: RockinRobot]
#28598926 - 12/26/23 06:48 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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@yoshi, I literally have cinctulus on agar and had no idea they even produced stones ๐คช now Iโm way more excited for these !
Normal cinctulus mycelium? Or no way?

Have the same type with my olivaceous as well
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28599306 - 12/27/23 12:33 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
you are making a lot of assumptions, please let's not revive gospels from days long ago where a sub depth of more than 2 inches and a high grain content was believed to be detrimental. This has very much been debunked. Your spawn ratio is fine and already on the lower end.
The difference you can see below is one tub with coir manure and one with just coir, the rest is the same and my ratio is usually between 1:2 and 1:4 and sub depth is around 2".

The two photos above are anecdotal observations just like yours but you can see that a high ratio alone does not cause small caps. Your observation and mine combined does make the no manure theory appear more likely. So far the lack of manure has caused small caps for me more than once but I haven't ran a whole lot of just coir and could still do more tests to obtain more certainty on this claim.
Having said this, I am just not motivated enough to go on a hunt for a pan that performs well on just coir and I kind of doubt that one can be found without a serious breeding program. I would be more than happy though to watch someone go on the chase and rubbing the proof that such pan exists in my disbelieving face.
u suspect small caps due to no or little amount of manure ?
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