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Bra
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Small caps is from not using manure. A spawn ratio of 1:5 is on the low end if anything. Either way, congrats on getting some pans. Only room for improvement now.
I wouldn't be so certain about it. While I am quite sure that they would thrive on a manure substrate, Panaeolus Tropicalis also thrived under the same conditions without any manure.
 There are Pan Tropicalis ^ Perhaps Huasteca is more sensitive to the content of manure. I have noticed that even with manure when added too much grains spawn Panaeolus grow as nails, which is why I consider a 1:5 ratio might be a larger amount for Huasteca. And that's why I'm uncertain about the reasons for that thin, nail-like shape.
Thanks for the kind words! This amount of shrooms should be enough for a trip Haha.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra] 6
#28584454 - 12/15/23 08:14 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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you are making a lot of assumptions, please let's not revive gospels from days long ago where a sub depth of more than 2 inches and a high grain content was believed to be detrimental. This has very much been debunked. Your spawn ratio is fine and already on the lower end.
The difference you can see below is one tub with coir manure and one with just coir, the rest is the same and my ratio is usually between 1:2 and 1:4 and sub depth is around 2".

The two photos above are anecdotal observations just like yours but you can see that a high ratio alone does not cause small caps. Your observation and mine combined does make the no manure theory appear more likely. So far the lack of manure has caused small caps for me more than once but I haven't ran a whole lot of just coir and could still do more tests to obtain more certainty on this claim.
Having said this, I am just not motivated enough to go on a hunt for a pan that performs well on just coir and I kind of doubt that one can be found without a serious breeding program. I would be more than happy though to watch someone go on the chase and rubbing the proof that such pan exists in my disbelieving face.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: syri]
#28584778 - 12/16/23 01:59 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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syri said: We gotta know what we're dealin with when we go pick these mushrooms... Some galerina species can really grow just like desired psilocybes do. A galerina will leave you dead or so I hear.
Apologies, Pan Cyan Jamiaca (source F*** Sp*** Esp***). So should be as per the label.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794] 4
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: goatboy666] 7
#28584968 - 12/16/23 07:10 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Iβve been holding onto this print for a few years. Got it as a noob & didnβt wanna waste a single spore until I was ready for pans . My first jambos. Thank you, odissey.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MojaveMyc]
#28585012 - 12/16/23 08:01 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Was looking in Marketplace but no Pan giveaways going currently. Anyone have a TTBVI print they care to share?
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MojaveMyc
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
#28585020 - 12/16/23 08:09 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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If nobody gets you squared away, I gotcha covered in a couple of weeks
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RockinRobot said: Was looking in Marketplace but no Pan giveaways going currently. Anyone have a TTBVI print they care to share?
I dont run ttbvi as it's so commonly run, but my eternal giveaway is on the first page of marketplace.
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Small caps is from not using manure. A spawn ratio of 1:5 is on the low end if anything. Either way, congrats on getting some pans. Only room for improvement now.
My caps are routinely the size of my (admittedly small) forearm with no manure runs. Going to respectfully and heavily disagree with this.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RockinRobot] 1
#28585184 - 12/16/23 10:31 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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RockinRobot said: Was looking in Marketplace but no Pan giveaways going currently. Anyone have a TTBVI print they care to share?
Current state of my TTBVI.

And some other stuff.
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Baba Yaga
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave] 3
#28585218 - 12/16/23 11:00 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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sleepydave said:
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Small caps is from not using manure. A spawn ratio of 1:5 is on the low end if anything. Either way, congrats on getting some pans. Only room for improvement now.
My caps are routinely the size of my (admittedly small) forearm with no manure runs. Going to respectfully and heavily disagree with this.
Yeah but you are using liquid fertilizer to supplement coir.
How about we call it "performance is generally not great on plain coir"?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28585245 - 12/16/23 11:20 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
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sleepydave said:
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Small caps is from not using manure. A spawn ratio of 1:5 is on the low end if anything. Either way, congrats on getting some pans. Only room for improvement now.
My caps are routinely the size of my (admittedly small) forearm with no manure runs. Going to respectfully and heavily disagree with this.
Yeah but you are using liquid fertilizer to supplement coir.
How about we call it "performance is generally not great on plain coir"?
I got them with just calcium and potassium as well. Id agree maybe plain coir may be trickier, but i think claiming no manure is the issue is a half truth at best.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RockinRobot] 1
#28585248 - 12/16/23 11:23 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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I might be able to help you. Send me a message. Iβm waiting on a print from you anyways lol
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Baba Yaga
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave] 1
#28585289 - 12/16/23 11:56 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
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sleepydave said:
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Small caps is from not using manure. A spawn ratio of 1:5 is on the low end if anything. Either way, congrats on getting some pans. Only room for improvement now.
My caps are routinely the size of my (admittedly small) forearm with no manure runs. Going to respectfully and heavily disagree with this.
Yeah but you are using liquid fertilizer to supplement coir.
How about we call it "performance is generally not great on plain coir"?
I got them with just calcium and potassium as well. Id agree maybe plain coir may be trickier, but i think claiming no manure is the issue is a half truth at best.
I agree, I myself have to keep an eye on the wording when making statements knowing that there are other material apart from manure which will work as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28585321 - 12/16/23 12:23 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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I agree, I myself have to keep an eye on the wording when making statements knowing that there are other material apart from manure which will work as well.
Yeah the sugar cane mulch results still blow my mind haha. Wish I could land some of that, but georaphically it proves tricky. Same with the hemp mulch runs, etc.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#28585341 - 12/16/23 12:46 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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RoscoeReturns said:
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RockinRobot said: Was looking in Marketplace but no Pan giveaways going currently. Anyone have a TTBVI print they care to share?
Current state of my TTBVI.

And some other stuff.

Bottom pic, right myc seems suspicious. I might be imagining it
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Bra
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No manure is not an issue, at least for Pan from Jamaica I have and Pan Tropicalis too, but not for every pan genetics, obviously. I would think that only some pans might get used to other substrates than manure due to its evolutionary advantage. There is no manure or any fertilizers in these Pan Tropicalis grows, and it went smoothly.


Thanks for the note Baba Yaga, good to know that spawn ratio isn't a problem, because I thought that too nutricious sub hence bigger ratio of spawn/grains, is bad for pans. So, it seems it's not the case. Well, then I personally don't see any other reason than genetics. It seems just some pans doing well without manure, some pans doesn't. Pan Tropicalis have done very well just on straw and coir (it was mostly straw, not coir, just a little bit of coir for better form and moisture keeping) and without any additions or fertilizers. So I think the answer is genetics and response to particular nutritions due to genetics.
Baba Yaga I can share a print of that Tropicalis with you if you wish, I love that genetics. Some of them fresh fruits were over 6 grams and the trip is nice on them.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
#28585380 - 12/16/23 01:23 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Bra said: No manure is not an issue, at least for Pan from Jamaica I have and Pan Tropicalis too, but not for every pan genetics, obviously. I would think that only some pans might get used to other substrates than manure due to its evolutionary advantage. There is no manure or any fertilizers in these Pan Tropicalis grows, and it went smoothly.


Thanks for the note Baba Yaga, good to know that spawn ratio isn't a problem, because I thought that too nutricious sub hence bigger ratio of spawn/grains, is bad for pans. So, it seems it's not the case. Well, then I personally don't see any other reason than genetics. It seems just some pans doing well without manure, some pans doesn't. Pan Tropicalis have done very well just on straw and coir (it was mostly straw, not coir, just a little bit of coir for better form and moisture keeping) and without any additions or fertilizers. So I think the answer is genetics and response to particular nutritions due to genetics.
Baba Yaga I can share a print of that Tropicalis with you if you wish, I love that genetics. Some of them fresh fruits were over 6 grams and the trip is nice on them.
I have always thought that it does not matter if it's straw or poo. Both work well and it always doesn't work well on just coir. At least that is what I have heard
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Baba Yaga
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
#28585702 - 12/16/23 05:18 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Bra said: No manure is not an issue, at least for Pan from Jamaica I have and Pan Tropicalis too, but not for every pan genetics, obviously. I would think that only some pans might get used to other substrates than manure due to its evolutionary advantage. There is no manure or any fertilizers in these Pan Tropicalis grows, and it went smoothly.


Thanks for the note Baba Yaga, good to know that spawn ratio isn't a problem, because I thought that too nutricious sub hence bigger ratio of spawn/grains, is bad for pans. So, it seems it's not the case. Well, then I personally don't see any other reason than genetics. It seems just some pans doing well without manure, some pans doesn't. Pan Tropicalis have done very well just on straw and coir (it was mostly straw, not coir, just a little bit of coir for better form and moisture keeping) and without any additions or fertilizers. So I think the answer is genetics and response to particular nutritions due to genetics.
Baba Yaga I can share a print of that Tropicalis with you if you wish, I love that genetics. Some of them fresh fruits were over 6 grams and the trip is nice on them.
This is amazing, have you posted this before?
Would totally like one of those 
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Floret] 2
#28586079 - 12/16/23 08:58 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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TheAtlantean said: I feel like this is gonna be a game changer for me. Thank you so much to everyone who has contributed to this thread and the CBK of Pans
What's CBK?
βCommon Body of Knowledgeβ
A world of difference in just 3 short days. First pic is when I spawned 3 days ago.

And now this. Pans grow mighty FAST! 1:2 ratio

Will case it in a couple days
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheAtlantean] 1
#28586212 - 12/17/23 12:27 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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yo, trying out pans for the first time. iβm assuming most of this plate is mold, but any chance that upper 12-2 oβclock section is pan myc? already took some transfers from all over the plate but that area is where i was placing my bets
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