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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#28528830 - 11/04/23 09:58 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: You’re using hay? Or did you mean straw?
Hay or straw, it's straw with pieces of hay in the picture. That's why I wrote this with slash. It's possilbe to use hay mixed with straw, or just hay, or just straw. I think mix of hay and straw is good, it become more fluffy and aerated, it should be placed in jar without pressure. Softly placed, don't press it. I have bought straw mix for animals, mellow mix there is hay and straw pieces I'd say. I chopped it with scissors to ca 3 cm, soaked for one day, strained water, mixed straw pieces with horse poo and sterilized in PC for 80 min.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] 1
#28528837 - 11/04/23 10:02 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said: I'm trying to get bisporus going and so far it's been really slow on grain (the room I'm running them in is chilly so there's that too).
Anyway, I've been thinking of supplementing graim jars and curious for people's thoughts. I put a few pinches of black kow in a few jars but it's pretty ugly and they're not inoculated yet.
Thoughts on gypsum and seaweed fertilizer? Was thinking I would add both to my soak water. Compost tea, and worm tea from our vermicomposter are other thoughts.
I put 2 grams (dry weight) of poo in my grain jars when I grew bisporus. They grew fast without stalling. Trying it without now as a comparison.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: thirdeyewild]
#28528844 - 11/04/23 10:11 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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@tree frog, I generally make pan spawn with 70/30 manure/grain. I recommend prepping on the dry side, I do a bit under field capacity, but I also mix in my grains wet so if their dry things could be different. But I do it on the drier side as excess water in my experience promotes stalling as water gets squeezed out of the spawn while colonizing.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] 1
#28528845 - 11/04/23 10:13 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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This Bucket is fruiting.
What is the best way for me to facilitate a healthy flush of pans.
I’m just winging this one since it’s in a bucket
Should I mist? Pans love misting, iirc? Just don’t wanna fuck em up. So I’m tempted to just leave them alone.
Thanks in advance
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28528849 - 11/04/23 10:16 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Thanks for widening my horizon guys! This makes me want to kick all the other grows I have going atm and get back into just doing pans.
The liquid compost I got is seaweed based and this is the nutrition profile of it.

Plan was to just heat a thinned down solution up to 140F and use it to hydrate coir, shouldn't take long at all but I would also try it unpasteurized. Only thing i that I don't have much time this year and I know if I get into it I will be like a dog with a bone and neglect all the things I should be doing instead........might to just have to take a seat in the front row for this round.
Hey Baba, Looking at this again with fresh morning eyes instead of Friday eyes haha. The sodium content is slightly concerning if this isnt a concentrate that youll be diluting.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
#28528887 - 11/04/23 10:41 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks!
I have a quart of millet that was soaked in coffee for sclerotia not doing anything. Going to mix that in with two quarts of poo, a quart of straw, and a quart of CV.
Hydrate, add gypsum, bag up and PC.
I'll inoculate tomorrow morning. I think it will do better than the straight millet jars I'm trying to run now.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] 6
#28528901 - 11/04/23 10:47 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said:
edit: In fact, I think I'm going to try making some bags up this afternoon once I get some homework done. How close to standard cube CV field capacity should I do my straw/poo? (I only have black kow poo, so not horse but cow poo).
I think it's better not to knead with poo/straw tek, just inoculate and wait. I've tried to knead, but untouched bag and jars looked way better. What you mean by capacity? Density? It is necessary to place the substrate light and airy, pan loves this. Do not compact, as pan will not colonize too dense substrate. When it's colonized I put it into tray on peat (or peat based substrate) + verm 1:1 layer about 2 cm thick (it storage water and humidity), and make thin (about 3 mm) casing layer with this same verm peat immediately. This is how I do it. Cow poo should work well too.


 Pics of Pan Cambodginiensis Subhanburi grown on poo/straw, as you can see it works well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
#28528912 - 11/04/23 10:52 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Field capacity i.e. substrate moisture content.
For cubes this is a few drops of water when you squeeze a handful. No streams just drops.
krikeng said dry side which answered my question.
I'm using straw and coir to help with density issues. I'll keep what you said in mind and maybe add more coir if it's too dense.
The reason I mentioned kneading is because I won't be using grains or lc to inoculate, just a wedge. I don't have pans on grains figured out yet and don't have lcs figured out at all :/
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28528931 - 11/04/23 11:00 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said: Field capacity i.e. moisture content.
For cubes this is a few drops of water when you squeeze a handful. No streams just drops.
krikeng said dry side which answered my question.
I'm using straw and coir to help with density issues. I'll keep what you said in mind and maybe add more coir if it's too dense.
The reason I mentioned kneading is because I won't be using grains or lc to inoculate, just a wedge. I don't have pans on grains figured out yet and don't have lcs figured out at all :/
I see. I'd say it's the same few drops of water when you squeeze a handful. Not to wet, not too dry.
I never used coir with pans, so I think would give it a shot. Maybe I will try poo/straw/coir mix and inoculating this in bags or jars, just my thoughts it would work well too.
I think kneading is not necessary even when you use wedge. Myc transfers worked absolutely well with poo/straw. Maybe some other guys could chime in, probably it would be better to knead when using grains, but in my experience pans grown better without kneading. It seemed to me that pan's myc is very sensitive and don't like it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
#28528956 - 11/04/23 11:17 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Appreciate the word of caution.
It looks like I have enough substrate prepped to do several of these small bags. So I will knead half of them once they recover a bit and leave the other half alone.
I'm at the phenohunting phase of this operation so... not super worried if I lose half the bags as long as I get a few fruits worth cloning.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28528997 - 11/04/23 11:53 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Thanks for widening my horizon guys! This makes me want to kick all the other grows I have going atm and get back into just doing pans.
The liquid compost I got is seaweed based and this is the nutrition profile of it.

Plan was to just heat a thinned down solution up to 140F and use it to hydrate coir, shouldn't take long at all but I would also try it unpasteurized. Only thing i that I don't have much time this year and I know if I get into it I will be like a dog with a bone and neglect all the things I should be doing instead........might to just have to take a seat in the front row for this round.
Hey Baba, Looking at this again with fresh morning eyes instead of Friday eyes haha. The sodium content is slightly concerning if this isnt a concentrate that youll be diluting.
Hey, thanks for looking out man. Yes, this is a concentrate and will get thinned down, it won't be more than 25-50mg per liter at the dilution I am planning to use for the first run.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28529001 - 11/04/23 11:55 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said: Thanks!
I just ordered some seaweed fertilizer and a bag of gypsum.
I'll let you all know how it goes and maybe start a journal to keep track of the experiments.
Also have some reptile heating pads on the way to sort out my temperature issues over winter.
How are you going to use the heat mats? Hope you are not planning to put your bag on top of them. Heating spawn unevenly will get you a lot of condensation in the bags.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 10
#28529030 - 11/04/23 12:22 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Texas Titans getting the chop and print today! Let them run a little long. Both CVG+, both same spawn jar split. Both in jcm till pinning (had no tent room then) One tray brought into the tent post pinning. Martha tray:



JCM tray (my jcm may need a little more dialing):


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
#28529035 - 11/04/23 12:26 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Dope grows dude!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#28529053 - 11/04/23 12:41 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Absolutely beautiful SleepyDave, great job!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] 2
#28529081 - 11/04/23 12:59 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Cross post from the grow log.
Just checked on the RDU which was fruited at spawn no casing 6 days ago and I spotted the very first knots. Lots of FAE and hasn't been misted yet.
Wouldn't be surprised if I can mist in the next 1-2 days and get first pins 2-3 days from now.
Nice grows Bra and SleepyD
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
#28529092 - 11/04/23 01:12 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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sleepydave said: Texas Titans getting the chop and print today! Let them run a little long. Both CVG+, both same spawn jar split. Both in jcm till pinning (had no tent room then) One tray brought into the tent post pinning. Martha tray:



JCM tray (my jcm may need a little more dialing):


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I am interested to know what wet weight you are getting on average from a quart of spawn.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28529144 - 11/04/23 01:51 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: I am interested to know what wet weight you are getting on average from a quart of spawn.
I can get a wet weight on the titans for sure. But honestly I rarely weigh these. And wet weights are tough as I print often and try to move things around as little as possible.
I'd wager on average, I get around 12-15g dry per tray per flush. Later flushes if I let them happen, maybe closer to 6-8g dry per flush. Id put it at roughly 24-30g dry yield per quart of spawn. Usually closer to 24g :sheepish:
And usually 2 trays per quart for me. I do no prep spawns, so the math is easy, I run 231g total grain in each jar. So 115g grain per 13x9 tray give or take. I run 173g millet and 58g rye per jar. Those grain numbers do not account for any hydration.
Edit, much love guys! Baba, I am flabbergasted you have an RDU fruiting without casing. My RDU culture has been fighting me all damn year and I can't get her to fruit anymore. If you're interested in a print swap... 
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave] 1
#28529197 - 11/04/23 02:41 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks for that, I just like to get an idea what to expect from a quart of spawn on average so I know where I'm at with the yields of the tub grows, at the moment it's at about 18g. In the long run I would like to see an established average value like we have for cubes.
Running uncased works best for me when lots of FAE is provided and it doesn't get misted, sometimes the surface actually dries out in a few areas. Easily done when growing in a mono tub. Maybe try it with a couple of trays and keep them in a mono till you see first knots all over and then place them in the chamber.
Having the spontaneous thought of really letting this one sit and see if it just keeps producing knots while kept dry or if it does start moving on to develop pins and at what point this starts. Mmmmh, now that I typed this out I occurs to me that the sub will probably start growing side and bottom pins like a mofo....OK I will postpone this notion and keep it to what I know for now.
I can send you some no problem but let's see if this is actually producing some printable fruits.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28529331 - 11/04/23 05:07 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: How are you going to use the heat mats? Hope you are not planning to put your bag on top of them. Heating spawn unevenly will get you a lot of condensation in the bags.

Right now I just have one reptile pad on the side of a 66 qt tote with spawn jars in it. And a 28 qt tote rests inside of that with my plates. The tote pictured above is a 28 qt tote with three shoeboxes in it. ATL 7 MS, don't care much if it fruits but if it does I'll clone something. My hope is to to try to fruit Pans where the ATL 7 is. Trying to keep my active grows to a minimum as I tend to get carried away otherwise.

The ATL 7 shoeboxes are getting some ambient heat here anyway.

Inside of the incubator.

My thought was to put perlite in the bottom of the 28 qt tote with the shoeboxes in it and the heating pad on the bottom of that just to keep the heat above 72. So, the shoeboxes would rest on the perlite and the heating pad would hopefully difuse the heat more eveny because of the perlite.
To fruit I would dubtub it basically with another 28 qt tote.
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