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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
#28527836 - 11/03/23 11:52 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Cool results! I’ve been toying with this idea as well, hopefully running some trials with coir substrates amended with FPJ, admittedly less intensive and precise but should be rich in NPK and enzymes. I recall some paper that did this with oysters to some success, but who knows can’t hurt to try at least.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
#28527854 - 11/03/23 12:04 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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kirkeng said: Cool results! I’ve been toying with this idea as well, hopefully running some trials with coir substrates amended with FPJ, admittedly less intensive and precise but should be rich in NPK and enzymes. I recall some paper that did this with oysters to some success, but who knows can’t hurt to try at least.
Thanks! Yeah, I'm a firm believer in elemental bumps. Hard to argue with results, and it's been well documented for other mushroom species. Im of the opinion that most people dose far too low for calcium especially on their mushroom grows. I'd imagine FPJ would be a great additive, but the pH balance may prove tricky. Let's start doing more live soil mushrooms
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
#28527935 - 11/03/23 01:33 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Hell yeah man always fun to tinker. I’m hoping the various yeasts and bacteria in FPJ could somewhat mimic the biological activity in manure to an extent, I’ll try some carbonate as well once I see how they react to FPJ. I think as well isolating those factors as additives in more inert substrate could help us to better understand what in manure is beneficial to say pans or whatnot. But I ain’t no expert and maybe this is already fully known. Either way glad to see you trying different approaches!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 1
#28527997 - 11/03/23 02:33 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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This is awesome and thanks for sharing please make a thread about it once you got more runs done and if you feel like it. What have you used to amend the CVG? No need to pasteurize is very nice. I have bought a bottle of liquid compost a couple of month ago to play around with but that would still need pasteurization I assume.
And what is FPJ?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28528014 - 11/03/23 03:07 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Not OP but FPJ is a wonderful rabbit/worm hole. Fermented Plant Juice. https://www.ijert.org/sustainable-hydroponics-using-fermented-plant-juice-nutrition Looks interesting.
I second the request for a thread to track you projects, kirkeng and sleepydave.
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#28528023 - 11/03/23 03:14 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: Not OP but FPJ is a wonderful rabbit/worm hole. Fermented Plant Juice. https://www.ijert.org/sustainable-hydroponics-using-fermented-plant-juice-nutrition Looks interesting.
I second the request for a thread to track you projects, kirkeng and sleepydave.
As he reverend stated, super easy to make and is one per of Korean natural farming, mostly for plants and such but potentially beneficial for mushrooms too? Best part is it’s made from fermenting plants you find in your backyard, as much of Korean natural farming is, if not for mushrooms I recommend researching for any plants you have!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 4
#28528045 - 11/03/23 03:30 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Hell yeah! Thanks for the kind words and discussion guys! I added that post to my journal and will absolutely be running more and sharing as much data as I can.
Currently have some Texas Titans fruiting on the same CVG+postassium/carbonate, one in martha tent, one in JCM. And two Needville TX I am hoping to get pins on any day, same substrate.
I have some micro nute blends (mostly copper, iron, zinc, and manganese) that I want to try on the next substrate run in addition to the main bumps. I see no reason why your everyday NPK wouldn't get you there as long as the addition was metered properly.
And honestly Baba, not sure it does need pasteurization, I did my element additions to the water itself before hydrating the coir. So if you wanted to just boil them up at that point it would be rather easy. (edit, although if talking FPJ, yeah I would think pasteurization would be necessary, but most liquid ferts I think may be golden)
I'll snag some standard liquid fertilizer and run it on the next tests as well.
Maybe that will be the side by side. CVG+postassium/carbonate/micronute vs CVG liquid fert/micronute I run a lot of smaller containers too, so I should probably be doing tests in those, but I feel the standard tray size gives more realistic and common data points for folks?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave] 3
#28528079 - 11/03/23 03:59 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Thanks for widening my horizon guys! This makes me want to kick all the other grows I have going atm and get back into just doing pans.
The liquid compost I got is seaweed based and this is the nutrition profile of it.

Plan was to just heat a thinned down solution up to 140F and use it to hydrate coir, shouldn't take long at all but I would also try it unpasteurized. Only thing i that I don't have much time this year and I know if I get into it I will be like a dog with a bone and neglect all the things I should be doing instead........might to just have to take a seat in the front row for this round.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28528086 - 11/03/23 04:05 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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That elemental profile looks like a really good starting point. You can always raise you dosage if the fruits are seeming anemic, but I bet that would do nicely!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave] 3
#28528097 - 11/03/23 04:14 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Cool, I guess I can squeeze in a couple of RDU and Bisporus
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#28528124 - 11/03/23 04:36 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
#28528620 - 11/04/23 02:43 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Hi guys... I am looking to start growing pans again, did it some years ago. The problem is i lost my spore prints that i made and are unable to find any. Is there any good samaritan here that is willing to send some free prints internationally to me. Please message me so that i can provide the address. Thank you
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave]
#28528734 - 11/04/23 08:27 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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I'm trying to get bisporus going and so far it's been really slow on grain (the room I'm running them in is chilly so there's that too).
Anyway, I've been thinking of supplementing graim jars and curious for people's thoughts. I put a few pinches of black kow in a few jars but it's pretty ugly and they're not inoculated yet.
Thoughts on gypsum and seaweed fertilizer? Was thinking I would add both to my soak water. Compost tea, and worm tea from our vermicomposter are other thoughts.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grim11311] 2
#28528735 - 11/04/23 08:30 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Grim11311 said: Hi guys... I am looking to start growing pans again, did it some years ago. The problem is i lost my spore prints that i made and are unable to find any. Is there any good samaritan here that is willing to send some free prints internationally to me. Please message me so that i can provide the address. Thank you
Shoot me a dm with your address and I'll get you some free of charge. I can't promise they will arrive internationally, but many have found their way.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28528743 - 11/04/23 08:37 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said: I'm trying to get bisporus going and so far it's been really slow on grain (the room I'm running them in is chilly so there's that too).
Anyway, I've been thinking of supplementing graim jars and curious for people's thoughts. I put a few pinches of black kow in a few jars but it's pretty ugly and they're not inoculated yet.
Thoughts on gypsum and seaweed fertilizer? Was thinking I would add both to my soak water. Compost tea, and worm tea from our vermicomposter are other thoughts.
Yeap, I am pro supplementation at every stage (not needed, but indeed beneficial imho), except agar just because it becomes trickier to spot certain things imho. Gypsum and seaweed fert should be primo, but if using compost tea or worm tea, you will definitely want to be double checking ph and raising up to ~9. Spitballing here, but that ph issue could be a problem depending on the microbe activity for the teas. All imho.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sleepydave] 1
#28528745 - 11/04/23 08:43 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks!
I just ordered some seaweed fertilizer and a bag of gypsum.
I'll let you all know how it goes and maybe start a journal to keep track of the experiments.
Also have some reptile heating pads on the way to sort out my temperature issues over winter.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28528749 - 11/04/23 08:46 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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I use gypsum and dextrose and it works pretty well
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28528792 - 11/04/23 09:27 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Anyway, I've been thinking of supplementing grain jars and curious for people's thoughts.
My thought is that you could try growing spawn on horse poo and straw/hay mix. 2 parts of poo and 1 part of hay. My favorite pan growing tek for now. The reasons are two - this is very easy and cheap, and this showed to be more resistant to contams than usual grains. Pan mycelium eats this very lovely, look. I love how it looks. It's so inspiring and satisfying how pans myc loves to eat this special.

I gonna try Baba Yaga monotub tek though, because I grow cubes in the monotub and for cubes it's my favorite way so far, so I think I would love pan monotubs too. Just wanted to say that for now in my opinion horsepoo/hay spawn tek is the most resilient in my opinion.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
#28528800 - 11/04/23 09:40 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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You’re using hay? Or did you mean straw?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
#28528826 - 11/04/23 09:55 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said:
Anyway, I've been thinking of supplementing grain jars and curious for people's thoughts.
My thought is that you could try growing spawn on horse poo and straw/hay mix. 2 parts of poo and 1 part of hay. My favorite pan growing tek for now. The reasons are two - this is very easy and cheap, and this showed to be more resistant to contams than usual grains. Pan mycelium eats this very lovely, look. I love how it looks. It's so inspiring and satisfying how pans myc loves to eat this special.

I gonna try Baba Yaga monotub tek though, because I grow cubes in the monotub and for cubes it's my favorite way so far, so I think I would love pan monotubs too. Just wanted to say that for now in my opinion horsepoo/hay spawn tek is the most resilient in my opinion.
I'll give this a try too. I've been tossing something similar around in my head and I have a bunch of small grow bags I think this would work well for.
Drop a wedge in, knead, let recover, knead again. Maybe cut the bag open lengthwise and lay it on the side once colonized, case and fruit right out of the bag in a fruiting chamber.
That's my thought anyway. I haven't gotten LCs quite figured out or I'd use that instead of a wedge.
edit: In fact, I think I'm going to try making some bags up this afternoon once I get some homework done. How close to standard cube CV field capacity should I do my straw/poo? (I only have black kow poo, so not horse but cow poo).
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