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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
    #28504420 - 10/14/23 02:37 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

allright. that solves another thing here.

they DO want space above then, high humidity

but the air has to go upwards
thus evaporating the wet substrate, calling for a secondary source to either hinder if from drying out
or the casing to be reapplied to full wet



Dubtub
Layer of coir in the bottom
light/normal inch coir casing covering the substrate
the substrate has the form of a bread

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Or full burial, only top of cake has a true thing casing, like burying a pf cake in 2" of hyhdrated coir only

and then the coir could even be over saturated just drench keeping the humidity at a minimum from evaporation, the larger size of the dubtub will balance things even more towards gentle evaporation anb high humiidity from start of the casing to whatever height the tamps will rise and open caps without aborting


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 2
    #28504428 - 10/14/23 02:46 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I think that could work, I do thing some level of consistent evaporation would be beneficial, it’s a fine line keeping them wet but not rotting so playing around to find that sweet spot would be necessary. Then again if they aren’t tamps then who knows. But they do have many attributes I see in tamps.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 3
    #28504437 - 10/14/23 02:51 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

also now, reviewing my own pictures, I see that the "tamps" that opened up the caps without aborting, are all centered around the sides
of the shoebox, suggesting they could have had the extra microclimate or "height of humidity" from saturated coir and a spacious air bubble instead of tight, gripping linery, could have created extra microclimate along just enough for the fruits around the sides to decide to open caps without aborting

spawning them all tomorrow, hope it will be a good run!

will ofc bring pictures if it all goes well


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 3
    #28504444 - 10/14/23 02:58 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I wish you good luck my friend! Hopefully the mystery can be resolved.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 2
    #28504489 - 10/14/23 03:48 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Good luck smalltalk.  I think a lot of people here, and not here, have success passively fruiting Panaeolus cultures.  I think it's said here often the importance of due diligence in finding the culture that responds well in your situation. 

I think this current ms bvi culture would benefit from extra mp tape layer over tub holes...and will be worth getting a clone from.  I'd eventually like to run cultures in a monotub without the trays or boxes, but thank you to whoever was recently posting their rotisserie container grows.  They worked well for me in that it seems they get a better flow without the higher walls of the sb.  I'd call my last cloning attempt on this culture a failure and will try again in a little bit here.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger] * 2
    #28504625 - 10/14/23 06:17 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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Good luck smalltalk.  I think a lot of people here, and not here, have success passively fruiting Panaeolus cultures.  I think it's said here often the importance of due diligence in finding the culture that responds well in your situation. 

I think this current ms bvi culture would benefit from extra mp tape layer over tub holes...and will be worth getting a clone from.  I'd eventually like to run cultures in a monotub without the trays or boxes, but thank you to whoever was recently posting their rotisserie container grows.  They worked well for me in that it seems they get a better flow without the higher walls of the sb.  I'd call my last cloning attempt on this culture a failure and will try again in a little bit here.






Credit goes to PsiloPsychIn for both the inspiration and creativity:heart:
Prior to this, I've been using the bigger costco take out food trays but his roasted chicken tray tek is solid with the perfect dome lid height and GE slits included:heart::mushroom2:
Also many thanks to Costco's Rotisserie for providing these magnificent pan-friendly growing trays labeled and sold as 'roasted chicken' :wink::rofl: Executive member for life :heart:
















Having several of my old ass pyrex trays in the shed, they're still useful for storing plates. :cookiemonster:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra]
    #28505629 - 10/15/23 02:33 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Hi, this is my first attempt at cultivation. I know Pan Cyans need a casing layer, but also they're very sensitive and even misting them after they start pinning can cause aborts. My mycelium look pretty good I think, but it seems like its already started pinning. This is just in some dung substrate, and I had a thin pseudo casing layer on top already. Will adding a thin layer of coir hurt anything or should i maybe do like half coir/half dung? Or should I maybe just put it into fruiting conditions?



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MycroAggression] * 3
    #28505641 - 10/15/23 02:41 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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looks like cube myc


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MycroAggression] * 1
    #28505647 - 10/15/23 02:43 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I’m not seeing any pins there. That being said I have cased after pins have formed to no detriment to the flush as far as I could tell. Typically you’d want your casing to be non nutritious so don’t add the manure. I’d also recommend a peat or Verm based casing, coir could maybe work but I can’t speak to it.

Further are you positive that your growing pans? That mycelium does not look like pans from my experience. I’ve personally never seen rhizomorphs in pan mycelium which I see in yours. Could you have gotten a cube mixed up in there?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
    #28505679 - 10/15/23 03:00 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Yea I wouldn't case at all, it will fruit or contam in a few weeks.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MycroAggression]
    #28505730 - 10/15/23 03:35 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

That doesnt look like my past pan tubs. Just looks like cube myc tbh.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
    #28505812 - 10/15/23 04:48 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Honestly, I got the spores from FungusHead, they're just labelled blue meanies, I know there's cubes called that too, and it doesn't say the taxonomical nomenclature on the site. I came to the conclusion they're the pans because their Youtube channel has a video about blue meanies and they're talking about pans.


I went and got some peat based mix, should I add it or just put it into fruiting?

Edit: Just for added context, I did a syringe of JMF at the same time and had everything in the same conditions and these have progressed about a week faster at every stage so far


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MycroAggression] * 3
    #28505818 - 10/15/23 04:56 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

You got cubes, don’t bother casing. You were mislead and that’s a shitty situation. The whole blue meanie cube thing needs to go.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MycroAggression] * 3
    #28506278 - 10/16/23 01:10 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

No disrespect but I would get a few cube grows at least under your belt before you even try fruiting pans. Get the basics down and then move on to pans. Like others have said, the rhizo is telling me cube.

Best of luck with it though!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] * 1
    #28506753 - 10/16/23 11:17 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I pulled two fruits, one for cloning and one for printing. I notice the fruits are not coming up in the center, and the one's along the wall get black. Any ideas what that could be?


The tub on the right is four days behind, and it has developed this thick mat in the middle. The humidity is 5-8 %points higher now compared to 4-5 days ago. (I made a wick humidifier on the inlet) Same spawn, bulk and casing. Is overlay caused by the environment, or could it be contamination?


I also have this pink spot that's growing. It's beneath the exhaust tube, and I know some condensation was dripping down there before.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #28506771 - 10/16/23 11:33 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)






Thanks for the pics and the link, I definitely didn't see that one yet, and it was a beauty to see how he met all the challenges he faced. The only thread of seen about it is the one talking about Blue Pears and it fizzled out because the OP got burnt out with life stuff imo and forgot/didn't really check up on the thread but it was inspiring I read all like 17 pages of it. I have gotten into agar and I would sincerely want to ensure success but as you can see, I think in this case it is mostly fine and I got really lucky with this jar. I also used a shit ton of spore water on accident like 1.5 ml that came from an entire print so maybe that aids in the fastness of it colonizing but whatever I did, from the syringe to the moisture content of the NSNS jar, it seems to be working. I'm in a really unique situation as a grower, but I know Agar well and there is no excuse for me not to at least make some no-pours. If I can get a pint of grain sterilized there should be no reason why I can't get some no pour bottles done during the same time I have available to do the grain.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bismillah] * 2
    #28506776 - 10/16/23 11:38 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)



black spots looks like water droplets, perhaps turned to wet rot. I see some milky yellow beads on the edge of the lower mushroom



looks like trich coming in to me, but my eye isn't well trained on pan myc



idk but I would quarantine it away from grow areas.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss]
    #28506807 - 10/16/23 12:15 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Thanks for the input! Can trich be white? I thought it was green.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bismillah] * 3
    #28506838 - 10/16/23 12:40 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Thanks for the input! Can trich be white? I thought it was green.



Starts off white then turns green. It’s much thicker than cube myc (usually) and a lot thicker than most pan myc


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
    #28506901 - 10/16/23 01:35 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Give it a few more days, moved away from grow area, and it will sporulate the green sticky spores.


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