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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: peeki] 4
#28402464 - 07/21/23 04:31 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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I can tell you this, Bisporus and the Mystery South Africa Pans are, in general, the slowest of the pans. Bisporus can colonize quickly enough, but usually waits an extra week or so before pinning.
To the best of my knowledge, any other variety of pans can run very quickly, but it also depends on the particular culture. I've had at least one or two germination plates that didn't have any fast cultures from the tiny speck of spores that was streaked, and had to streak more spores to find a fast running culture. (I usually could find one from the same print source, but there's a little bit of luck required sometimes.)
This really is a hobby that does not like to be rushed, for any reason. If you don't have fruits by the time your friend gets there, it might be meant to be that way. Your question wasn't ignored, the absolute best advice was given to you already. If you wanted fruits in 3 to 4 weeks from now, you should have started 6 to 8 weeks ago, just to make sure.
IMO, learn to be ok with not being able to trip with your friend this time. Plan for next time instead, and don't rush. Everything that happens, or doesn't happen, does so for a reason.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SirPsycho]
#28402468 - 07/21/23 04:38 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said:
That's not how mushrooms work.
Hm, then tell me, how it works. I've grown a lot of cubensis and some pans. And between cubes Ecuador was the slowest one (it took about 55 days from inoculation to harvest) and Cambodian was the fastest one (about 35 days). That's how mushrooms work. And the result was like that constantly. Hence it's a property of these strains. As I mentioned, Pan cyan Wild coast Africa was the fastest of I grown, but I didn't like the dark vibe of this strain. It was ready just in 29 days after inoculation of jars to harvest of mature fruits. I have Pan Jamaica prints, Pan Cambodginiensis. Which one could be the fastest? My guess is Jamaica as it's very resilient and fast growing as I know, though I never grown Jamaican pan, but I'd like to know thoughts of the experienced growers about it. Thanks.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: peeki] 2
#28402479 - 07/21/23 04:58 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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All pans are fast and if you want super fast then you will have to invest some time to hunt those cultures down and provide pristine conditions.
Since it seems that there is no time to even order anything else you should start a few grows with all the varieties you have if it's that important.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28402490 - 07/21/23 05:07 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: I can tell you this, Bisporus and the Mystery South Africa Pans are, in general, the slowest of the pans. Bisporus can colonize quickly enough, but usually waits an extra week or so before pinning.
To the best of my knowledge, any other variety of pans can run very quickly, but it also depends on the particular culture. I've had at least one or two germination plates that didn't have any fast cultures from the tiny speck of spores that was streaked, and had to streak more spores to find a fast running culture. (I usually could find one from the same print source, but there's a little bit of luck required sometimes.)
This really is a hobby that does not like to be rushed, for any reason. If you don't have fruits by the time your friend gets there, it might be meant to be that way. Your question wasn't ignored, the absolute best advice was given to you already. If you wanted fruits in 3 to 4 weeks from now, you should have started 6 to 8 weeks ago, just to make sure.
IMO, learn to be ok with not being able to trip with your friend this time. Plan for next time instead, and don't rush. Everything that happens, or doesn't happen, does so for a reason.
Thank you man, I am really glad to read your reply and appreciate your thought, and I can agree with you. It seems that we gonna trip on cubensis or tampanensis, I have a good stash of them and it seems that we should trip on cubes. I've not seen my friend for about one year he lives abroad and we meet so rare, that's why I wanted to take pans together because pans are the most kind and no-sideffects shrooms in my experience.
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Baba Yaga said: All pans are fast and if you want super fast then you will have to invest some time to hunt those cultures down and provide pristine conditions.
Since it seems that there is no time to even order anything else you should start a few grows with all the varieties you have if it's that important.
Thanks dude. Now it's clear. Gonna stick with Jamaica and we will see...
Edited by peeki (07/21/23 05:16 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: peeki] 6
#28402508 - 07/21/23 05:32 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Back at it with Pan Bisporus in monotubs with the airpump/bubblers.

I changed the substrate to all store bought ingredients. 675g hpoo pellets and 175g finely chopped straw, which resulted in a much more compact substrate and this in turn has resulted in pooling with tge water that comes in with the air from the bubbler system.
Long story short. Tubs get too wet.
I'll be trialling with various ratios of more straw to hpoo as well as maybe add something like verm and see what works best to fluff the substr back up a little more so it may absorb some of that excess moisture. I may also slightly tweeq my bubbler setup to maintain fae and lessen moisture exhaust.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: peeki]
#28402643 - 07/21/23 08:19 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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peeki said:
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SirPsycho said:
That's not how mushrooms work.
Hm, then tell me, how it works. I've grown a lot of cubensis and some pans. And between cubes Ecuador was the slowest one (it took about 55 days from inoculation to harvest) and Cambodian was the fastest one (about 35 days). That's how mushrooms work. And the result was like that constantly. Hence it's a property of these strains. As I mentioned, Pan cyan Wild coast Africa was the fastest of I grown, but I didn't like the dark vibe of this strain. It was ready just in 29 days after inoculation of jars to harvest of mature fruits. I have Pan Jamaica prints, Pan Cambodginiensis. Which one could be the fastest? My guess is Jamaica as it's very resilient and fast growing as I know, though I never grown Jamaican pan, but I'd like to know thoughts of the experienced growers about it. Thanks.
Hi! Most of Pan Cyans are quite fast if culture, substrate and conditions are good enough. 7 days for grain, 7 days for susbtrate, 7 days for pins and 7 days for harvest. Sometimes for very good cultures, ideal susntrate and conditions 7 becames 5. But this is extremely ideal. So normal duration is 28 days, in same cases it could be 21 days.
Edited by ekabpils (07/21/23 08:20 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils]
#28403079 - 07/21/23 04:00 PM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Absolutely gorgeous, Tweeq! 😍
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28403118 - 07/21/23 04:56 PM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Hello everyone I have a question for you who clone fruit. when will you do the first transfer? as soon as the mycelium appears or do you wait and let it grow?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ppancho]
#28403352 - 07/21/23 09:32 PM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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With clone tissue I would leave it to grow out for a bit longer just as it is expected to be dirtier than a regular transfer.
Are you using water agar?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils] 8
#28403409 - 07/21/23 11:34 PM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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I tested 2 grams of BVI in the mountains, potency was crazy. 2 grams was probably a bit much/overwhelming for first 2 hours but most visual trip I've had to date, pretty amazing.

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ekabpils said:
Hi! Most of Pan Cyans are quite fast if culture, substrate and conditions are good enough. 7 days for grain, 7 days for susbtrate, 7 days for pins and 7 days for harvest. Sometimes for very good cultures, ideal susntrate and conditions 7 becames 5. But this is extremely ideal. So normal duration is 28 days, in same cases it could be 21 days.
Man 7 days is fast! Are these quart jars you've colonized in 7? What do you use for grain?
I will say that I've seen quite a few different speeds of growth if I make a handful of transfers from the fastest growing areas on a spore germination plate but havent colonized jars that quickly. Grain to substrate I've seen be pretty fast.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28403458 - 07/22/23 02:11 AM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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I use 1 g of agar and 0.5 g of ME per 100 ml of water
some mycelium has just grown on a piece of tissue, but there is a lot of bacterial growth around, so I don't know whether to wait or transfer
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ppancho] 1
#28403515 - 07/22/23 04:03 AM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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Sounds like waiting is the better choice here but post a photo if you can.
Next time you clone try agar without any ME. It will reduce the bacterial growth and the mushroom has still enough energy to grow out a bit. Here is a thread about this.
And photos of a few stem off cuts and tissue samples of pans on water agar. It does suppress bacteria quite well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28403533 - 07/22/23 04:51 AM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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Update time.
Decided to top fruit this jar. Myc poking through.
MiniMono - doing great I think. I first thought there was Cobweb... I Let it go and the myc is thinkening.
 Two bottles, pretty much the same.
I have another 8 or so plates going and some jars waiting. Grow rooms temps went down to 11C two weeks back so everything is in slow-motion.
But I seem to be progressing.
@Timestop413 Now there is a place to test a batch. Thank you for sharing. Beautiful
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794]
#28403595 - 07/22/23 07:28 AM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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How long did it take the myc to bust through the casing layer? I just cased some Pan cyan Aussie with jiffy mix 2 days ago.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28404184 - 07/22/23 04:50 PM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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thanks for the reply BabaYaga
these are two candidates. it's not good to see in the photo.


I also read somewhere about using a ziplock bag and whether it works

but I have already poured a couple of plates without ME as you wrote, so I will try to put something on them.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#28404219 - 07/22/23 05:23 PM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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Timestop.....sounds like a pretty wild ride buddy!! Happy Saturday to you filthy panheads!! 😎✌️
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ppancho]
#28404239 - 07/22/23 05:43 PM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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ppancho said: thanks for the reply BabaYaga
these are two candidates. it's not good to see in the photo.


I also read somewhere about using a ziplock bag and whether it works

but I have already poured a couple of plates without ME as you wrote, so I will try to put something on them.
Great, give it ago. That trick of letting the sample fuzz up in a bag first might be something, never seen it before. The plates you have there are are looking very bacterial, Maybe the first plate is worthwhile keeping around to see if mycelium is eventually outrunning the bacterial goop but the second one looks like the bacteria got sloshed around with pooling water, looks like it's all over the dish.
Edited by Baba Yaga (07/22/23 05:53 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 5
#28404285 - 07/22/23 06:28 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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I just had a fantastic experience with pan cambodginiensis.
I absolutely murdered the grow. I thought for sure my tub was contaminated to shit and considered tossing it a few times (it wasn’t, but the way the mycelium colonized the substrate looked quite different from what I’ve experienced typically with psilocybe). Ended up not tossing, obviously, but I abused the shit out of my tray and miraculously it still fruited tons of these potent little suckers. They grow on fucking shit after all, I think it’s easy to forget that and overthink things.
After dehydrating them, which resulted in little mushroom toothpicks, I decided to grind them and make capsules. At this point I brought them along with me to my in-laws house by a lake for a long weekend. I figured I’d start low and just try to find the threshold/micro dose level over the weekend, so I weighed out 0.2g of powder and down the hatch it went. I almost forgot all about it (obviously didn’t forget but it was certainly not on the front of my mind over the following hour) and I grabbed a raft and went drifting off on the lake. It wasn’t till I came back to shore that I realized “holy shit, I’m tripping!”. It was easily the equivalent of 1-1.25g of cubensis, in my experience, but it felt “cleaner”, far less nausea or “pressure” than I typically feel. So I overshot finding my threshold, but very thankful I only did that small amount given the circumstances and amazed at the potency of these little bastards. Will do again for certain. I imagine just 1-2g would be a full on psychonautical voyage into unknown realms, and that day will come.
Is it too mushroom snobbish to be thinking “I only do pans anymore”?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlindMyce]
#28404345 - 07/22/23 07:28 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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BlindMyce said: Is it too mushroom snobbish to be thinking “I only do pans anymore”?
I don't think so, but don't forget there are other exotics out there worth experiencing. I have decided I'm never eating cubes again, but can't wait to try some other exotics.
It sounds like you had a perfect setting for it. Rafting on a river sounds lovely on a light dose like that. Isn't it crazy how it isn't until you were done rafting that you actually became aware of the effects?!
Regarding finding a threshold level with pans: For me it is around 1/32nd of a teaspoon of finely ground powder. I ordered a set of tiny measuring spoons just for making microdoses.
It's such a small amount that my scale can't weight it. It's only accurate to one tenth of a gram, so no surprise there. I need to get a better scale for finding out how much a threshold level actually weighs. Congrats on the grow and the experience! Pans rule!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#28404362 - 07/22/23 07:39 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Timestop413 said: I tested 2 grams of BVI in the mountains, potency was crazy. 2 grams was probably a bit much/overwhelming for first 2 hours but most visual trip I've had to date, pretty amazing.

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ekabpils said:
Hi! Most of Pan Cyans are quite fast if culture, substrate and conditions are good enough. 7 days for grain, 7 days for susbtrate, 7 days for pins and 7 days for harvest. Sometimes for very good cultures, ideal susntrate and conditions 7 becames 5. But this is extremely ideal. So normal duration is 28 days, in same cases it could be 21 days.
Man 7 days is fast! Are these quart jars you've colonized in 7? What do you use for grain?
I will say that I've seen quite a few different speeds of growth if I make a handful of transfers from the fastest growing areas on a spore germination plate but havent colonized jars that quickly. Grain to substrate I've seen be pretty fast.
By chance, point me in the direction of where you acquired your genetics of BVI?
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