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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bongoman] 3
#28373836 - 06/25/23 08:27 AM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Finally got several tubs looking pretty damn good. Trying to fruit without a casing. They do have a top layer of coir/manure though. Crossing my fingers that these buck the trend of bad luck ive been having and give me some fruits.
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Are you fruiting them like this or will they go in another tub or FC?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28373889 - 06/25/23 09:15 AM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Was going to leave them in the tub with the lid staggered for fae, but what would you recommend?
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I never used a shoebox for pans, Just wondering how the smaller headspace will work out once you introduce FAE. I am genuinely interested to see how this is working out with a staggered lid and I think I have seen someone having some success with a shoebox. Alternatively you could put them in a bigger mono or try one in a bag fahtster style or a bag over the top, dub-tubbing, something like that. But I'm curious.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 4
#28373960 - 06/25/23 10:44 AM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Some Nec D looking pretty good I have 2 prints from my last tray sitting in some envelopes ready to send out if anyone wants them shoot a message
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bongoman]
#28374081 - 06/25/23 12:24 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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bongoman said: Thoughts on where to transfer from this ttbvi plate? This is my first plate after receiving the culture on agar wedges.

It is on water agar now? The mycelium looks so soft. For me, the middle of any of the healthy growth would be good.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28374172 - 06/25/23 02:18 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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@AspectOfTheCreator, I am glad to hear that you might be on your way to success. It helps me stay on the path to fruit.
Time for an update...
I believe I am finally getting somewhere. I am trying my best not to "speak too soon".
I dumped the last contamed bulk I had. It looked promising when only the myc - so I thought - was growing through a sand-casing. The success was short lived, once the myc started to establish itself on the surface of the casing the powdery growth followed in a few days.
In better news. With current temps in my grow area at 16-17C I think I am doing well.
The last plates from the third germination that didn't get powdery are still clear of the contam. They are 24 days old. They didn't appear to stall and have filled the plate. The plates are grain prep water with a dash of nutritional yeast - Sorghum with cow dung.
The test run of small wedges from that set of plates got a shake today. Here is one of the jars. They were all looked about the same. Sorghum with some cow dung (3 tablespoons in the grain prep water).

The following jars are from June 13 and 14. They were noc'd with grains from a different wedge test. I know 11 days isn't great for 300ml of spawn but maybe it is just fine at 16C. They are a day away from full colonisation.
  
I pasteurised some bulk today - 4 hours. Coir/dung/compost/verm - 5:1:1:2 by volume. Haven't decided if I will go to bulk tomorrow or Wednesday.
To my eyes the spawn in looking great. Any comments?
Thanks for patiently watching me struggle through this. 794
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794]
#28374215 - 06/25/23 03:06 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Those jars are looking alright. How did you pasteurize / have you checked whether the core of your substrate did actually reach pasteurization temperature?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794]
#28374216 - 06/25/23 03:06 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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They look promising Genome!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794] 3
#28374219 - 06/25/23 03:09 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Found these where I dump spent subs/spawn. Confirmed in another post they are pans. What's a level 1 dose of fresh pans?
I know 1g dry is big, and most suggest .5 too get your feet wet. If no one knows a fresh weight I'll just dry and go from there.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss]
#28374222 - 06/25/23 03:13 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Pans are approximately 4 times stronger than Cubes.
So a level 1 dose would be around 0.25g dry, imho.
0.25 dry should be 2.5g wet. At least for Cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28374226 - 06/25/23 03:16 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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I use "Frank's proper pasteurisation" method.
I have a probe into the centre and 2/3 into one jar - through a 5mm hole in the lid. It has worked well since I got the probe.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Yahra]
#28374227 - 06/25/23 03:16 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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I read somewhere they weren't 1:10 drying out. would 2.5 grams wet be .25dry?
I guess I'll take some wet weight before dry and after
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss]
#28374231 - 06/25/23 03:18 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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I don't know if Pans are 90% water like Cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss] 1
#28374234 - 06/25/23 03:21 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Genome794 said: I use "Frank's proper pasteurisation" method.
I have a probe into the centre and 2/3 into one jar - through a 5mm hole in the lid. It has worked well since I got the probe.

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Found these where I dump spent subs/spawn. Confirmed in another post they are pans. What's a level 1 dose of fresh pans?
I know 1g dry is big, and most suggest .5 too get your feet wet. If no one knows a fresh weight I'll just dry and go from there.
Outdoor mush love!!  
indoor grown is more like 95% water for me, outdoor might be different
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28374301 - 06/25/23 04:13 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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bambus said:
Nice first grow! Let them keep going, the caps will flatten out more as they mature. Don't worry about them being different sizes, just pick as they mature.
thanks man! I pulled my first ones today because they were clearly jetting ahead. Trays are looking more balanced now. Iβm thrilled at how itβs gone.
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indoor grown is more like 95% water for me, outdoor might be different
yeah agree I just dried out my first ones and 63g wet turned into just under 3g dried. Itβs almost like dry grass. That would be 4-5%
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28374304 - 06/25/23 04:14 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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My recent bisporus have been 95-97% water but yours may be different.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss] 1
#28374369 - 06/25/23 05:30 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Gorguss said: I read somewhere they weren't 1:10 drying out. would 2.5 grams wet be .25dry?
I guess I'll take some wet weight before dry and after
Mine have dried to approximately 5% of wet weight. Iβve gone up to 8 grams fresh and 1 gram dry. Iβve found those doses comparable. Really nice for walking in the woods with the dogs. Fully aware but enjoying the experience. Iβm not looking for challenging doses and I dose maybe once per month. Lasts about 3-4 hours then it lingers. Itβs an odd feeling that lasts for a couple more hours but I wouldnβt call it being high. Runs up and down the spine like a mild electric current. I feel the same thing on the up. Had my attention the first time.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Yahra] 3
#28374666 - 06/25/23 11:27 PM (7 months, 20 hours ago) |
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Yahra said: Pans are approximately 4 times stronger than Cubes.
So a level 1 dose would be around 0.25g dry, imho.
0.25 dry should be 2.5g wet. At least for Cubes.
Yes - about 4 times stronger. BUT - they cannot be compared just this way. Pans gives you completely different trips from cubes. Visuals, intensity, vibrations - everything is different. I personally today use 3-4 g dry but I have friends who used 7-10 g of pans - you go to DMT land completely with 7-10 g )) But taking such doses requires training, preparations and a lot of brave and trust. McKenna told that both Ayahuasca and Mushrooms takes you to the same land - just different doors. This is about Pans on high doses. Cubes are very different.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Yahra] 1
#28374723 - 06/26/23 01:29 AM (7 months, 18 hours ago) |
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Yahra said: I don't know if Pans are 90% water like Cubes.
From my experience here we have quite a lot of variations. From 13 to 25 times from wet to dry. Depends on culture, substrate, tek and growing conditions. I had the same clone culture that first showed 25 and second time it was 15. And phenotype was very different. First grow was in monotub and second one in martha.
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