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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rush56]
#28284701 - 04/19/23 12:03 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Rush56 said: Just a quick question, since im getting into growing pans. I'm checking various teks and started with what i had at hand - BRF/manure cakes. They are few days from fully colonizing and looking nice. Then i plan to go bulk with these.
Older teks mostly use manure/verm as bulk, on this thread/tek i see people mostly use coir instead of verm. What is the difference between using verm or coir? I wanted to follow one of these older teks with manure/verm, but it drags me more into manure/coir direction now. I have both coir and verm at hand. I haven't noticed this thread before as i was planning to follow some older teks.
I did few brf to bulk with cubes and i prefer using coir, seems less messy. Should i go with coir and only use verm if bulk is wet above field capacity?
I'd go coir manure and as you said use verm to adjust.
Could you please post links to those old TEKs? Just like to see if I know them or not.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28284720 - 04/19/23 12:52 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Yes you do know them i think, we were debating this in another thread recently: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18357343/fpart/27/vc/1 And besides this thread someone posted two links to older teks when i mentioned i'd try going brf to bulk from there with pans. I was looking into the first link there: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12165374
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rush56]
#28284737 - 04/19/23 01:29 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Ah yeah thanks, forgot about that.
This going to be interesting
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28284740 - 04/19/23 01:42 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Ah yeah thanks, forgot about that.
This going to be interesting 
I thought i posted in your thread you have in signature for pans in mono Baba Yaga, oops 😊 Anyways i think i will go with your tek from this point after brf/manure jars fully colonize.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rush56]
#28284745 - 04/19/23 01:51 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Ah yeah thanks, forgot about that.
This going to be interesting 
I thought i posted in your thread you have in signature for pans in mono Baba Yaga, oops 😊 Anyways i think i will go with your tek from this point after brf/manure jars fully colonize.
I intended to put them in aluminum trays and then in mono, similar to another tek and already bought these trays while preparing and waiting for jars to colonize. I could fit 2 trays into mono probably. Seems easier to work with these, then straight to mono, what do you think? Should not make much difference in any way right? Except for easier handling - in and out of mono.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rush56]
#28284749 - 04/19/23 02:09 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Never used trays myself but shouldn't make much of a difference.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28284765 - 04/19/23 03:12 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Never used trays myself but shouldn't make much of a difference.
Few more questions.
What ratio of spawn to sub should i aim for best results? 1:2? And i guess 50/50 mix of coir/manure for sub would be optimal?
I find a liquid manure tek interesting, but wonder how much mess will i make, not sure how much water and manure i should use and how much of this mix i should use to hydrate coir and lastly how much manure will actually be in the sub in the end.
I have measurements from working with brf to bulk for cubes to know exactly how much water should i add to coir to get it to field capacity. Would that apply here if i measure before adding to coir, considering there is dung in it? Or maybe i should just prep coir by itself the first time, bring dry hpoo to field capacity, mix and pasteurize for the first time.
Edit: One more Q. In that tek with trays it's said after jars finish colonizing cakes should be dunked for few hours, but there is a voice in me saying that i should just rinse them off, just like with cubes and cheesegrate them, then mix with sub. What do you think?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rush56]
#28284795 - 04/19/23 04:46 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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I'm using grain and spawn anywhere between 1:2 and 1:3.5. but never measure out exact amounts, just by the hand full. I'd say just use the same ratio as you would with cubes.
The liquid manure prep is also just roughly measured. The thing is that this all depends on the quality and type of manure you use. I could tell you some ratios and chances are that it wont come out right. There are some rough measurements in the TEK but those are not making a perfect mix and I adjust with verm afterwards. It really doesn't have to be that exact. I think I end up with 20% manure when using this method.
The alternative method of prepping both separately and pasteurize together sounds like a better fit for now. The amount of manure will also depend on it's texture in this case, keep it light, add more coir if it gets too heavy, mix well.
I don't see a benefit in dunking the cakes before spawning to bulk either.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28284801 - 04/19/23 05:09 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Thanks for your replay.
The manure was field aged when i picked it, but i have it stored dryed for a year. How quality is it i have no idea.

This was before storage. Seems like a lot of grass after drying it. I expected more soil like appearance.
I also wonder how much of good stuff and bacteria is lost after drying for storage.
Hope it will be good...
Does anyone ph buffer sub or should i just do that with casing?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28284997 - 04/19/23 09:09 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: Looks like it going to be a nice flush! I think they might be cubes though?
I suspect this as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28285172 - 04/19/23 11:16 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Have y’all experienced this with bisporus before? This jar is around 1.5 months old and has begun developing these deep, dark greenish spots with the brighter myc. Very well may be a contam as the writing on the jar says it was a sloppy transfer but not something I’ve seen before. Looked perfect up until reaching 100%.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Southerner]
#28285362 - 04/19/23 01:12 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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I would wait for more experienced user to comment but I would say that's mold.Quote:
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Have y’all experienced this with bisporus before? This jar is around 1.5 months old and has begun developing these deep, dark greenish spots with the brighter myc. Very well may be a contam as the writing on the jar says it was a sloppy transfer but not something I’ve seen before. Looked perfect up until reaching 100%.
I would wait for more experienced user to comment but I would say that's mold.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Southerner] 2
#28285435 - 04/19/23 01:42 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Have y’all experienced this with bisporus before? This jar is around 1.5 months old and has begun developing these deep, dark greenish spots with the brighter myc. Very well may be a contam as the writing on the jar says it was a sloppy transfer but not something I’ve seen before. Looked perfect up until reaching 100%.
These spots are normal with Bisporus. Send it!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#28285442 - 04/19/23 01:45 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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What Adas said, I’ve seen that on older jars before, always fruited fine.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 1
#28285455 - 04/19/23 01:51 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
#28285585 - 04/19/23 03:00 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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kirkeng said: What Adas said, I’ve seen that on older jars before, always fruited fine.
Thank you. You just saved me from tossing some cakes I had sequestered. Any idea what it is? It’s such a dark green and it doesn’t start off trich white then change. It appears green and stays green. Is this for all Pans or only Bisporus? I know the Semperviva thread has shown some funky looking mycelium.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Tao]
#28285597 - 04/19/23 03:06 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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No clue what it is, strange bruising perhaps? I’ve seen it some cyans before as well, though I haven’t had as much personal success with it in cyans, granted the jars were questionable outside of that occurrence as is. I’ll add I’ve only ever noticed it in grain jars, I generally do manure spawn supplemented with minimal grains and I haven’t noticed in those ever.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 1
#28285849 - 04/19/23 06:10 PM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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Awesome info, thank y’all! Yeah the pans do some weird stuff which is why I asked. Had an old pan cyan plate that starting looking like an alien planet with blue mountains and myc lightning bolts.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#28286791 - 04/20/23 01:31 PM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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That is incredibleQuote:
Adas said:
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Have y’all experienced this with bisporus before? This jar is around 1.5 months old and has begun developing these deep, dark greenish spots with the brighter myc. Very well may be a contam as the writing on the jar says it was a sloppy transfer but not something I’ve seen before. Looked perfect up until reaching 100%.
These spots are normal with Bisporus. Send it!
That is incredible. Can't forget to post more questions here. If that were mine I bet I'd thrown it out then asked lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss]
#28287084 - 04/20/23 05:09 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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What would you say would be a good dose of fresh NEC? I have experienced 2g dry Aussie before. But I was thinking of trying my latest flush of NEC which I haven’t harvested/dried yet 👍🏻.
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