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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 1
    #28275418 - 04/13/23 05:47 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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Haven’t done some bisporus in a minute, but back in with a couple tubs. One is being partially harvested today the other yet to pin. Pretty happy with this tub though, some of the best coverage I’ve gotten to date, granted I wish there was more even maturation, would’ve been a very nice looking photo if they all matured at the same time. I also went a bit heavy on the mist one day and some caps got some bacterial rot shit on em, only a couple though and fixing the mistake has saved the rest of them. Alas I can’t be too bummed all things considered, I will keep shooting for the full mature spread! Unmodded tub as always.





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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
    #28275427 - 04/13/23 05:56 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)





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Haven’t done some bisporus in a minute, but back in with a couple tubs. One is being partially harvested today the other yet to pin. Pretty happy with this tub though, some of the best coverage I’ve gotten to date, granted I wish there was more even maturation, would’ve been a very nice looking photo if they all matured at the same time. I also went a bit heavy on the mist one day and some caps got some bacterial rot shit on em, only a couple though and fixing the mistake has saved the rest of them. Alas I can’t be too bummed all things considered, I will keep shooting for the full mature spread! Unmodded tub as always.





Not a single word how airflow inside unmodtub is been created. I find this sus..  how does co2 gets out and o2 gets in? how is a gentle breeze over surface been created to trigger pinning?


My guess is those tubs been in a tent all the time. :cool::cool:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fred_feuerstein69] * 2
    #28275432 - 04/13/23 06:09 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

There are different ways to create FAE, like tilting the lid a bit. Also, you can ask more politely, without putting other members down. You have the kind of attitude that's not appreciated here. Just a heads up. We like to keep it civil and friendly for everyone.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #28275435 - 04/13/23 06:18 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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There are different ways to create FAE, like tilting the lid a bit. Also, you can ask more politely, without putting other members down. You have the kind of attitude that's not appreciated here. Just a heads up. We like to keep it civil and friendly for everyone.




I asked this question few times and no answers been given. I also spoke with other pan growers about it and they also have zero clue how this can even work.

Pan needs a steady airflow over surface to grow, a tilted lid on unmod tub in a corner of a room with still standing air doesnt create airflow.

I also asked Baba the same.. no answers given.

Maybe they find genetics that love to grow on co2...:cool:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fred_feuerstein69] * 3
    #28275438 - 04/13/23 06:23 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

I think baba explains that in his Pan in Monotub thread


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps]
    #28275447 - 04/13/23 06:33 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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I think baba explains that in his Pan in Monotub thread




baba explains the monotubs with holes in his thread which can work if a steady airflow been created.

But he claims unmod tub with a flipped lid in corner of a room which has no real airflow will produce full canopies as well.

This defines the whole nature of pan growing which need a steady airflow over surface to trigger pinning and they need a proper co2-o2 exchange.

or is he misting and fanning every couple hours manually?

Thats my question for kirgeng as well?  how many times did u fan manually?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fred_feuerstein69] * 3
    #28275449 - 04/13/23 06:36 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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Adas said:
There are different ways to create FAE, like tilting the lid a bit. Also, you can ask more politely, without putting other members down. You have the kind of attitude that's not appreciated here. Just a heads up. We like to keep it civil and friendly for everyone.




I asked this question few times and no answers been given. I also spoke with other pan growers about it and they also have zero clue how this can even work.

Pan needs a steady airflow over surface to grow, a tilted lid on unmod tub in a corner of a room with still standing air doesnt create airflow.

I also asked Baba the same.. no answers given.

Maybe they find genetics that love to grow on co2...:cool:






I answered this question in our lengthily PM conversation together with many other questions over the course of many PM's. What a waste of time that was.


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good that yo want to try pans in a mono tub. The thing is you can grow most if not all pans with success in a mono tub. The trick and real hurdle is to find a culture that will be doing well in a tub. It's not that hard to do. People are getting frustrated to get a bunk or too delicate culture to fruit and waste their time on dialing in conditions instead of going back to spores. Try to get a few fruits and then take a good number of clones and run those. Some will be doing well in a tub.

Yes unmodified tubs have just a cracked lid as shown in the thread, there are photos to look at. No, I don not have them in a martha because the whole point of this thread is to only use tubs. I stack em up in a corner, no fans no nothing just tubs as the title says. Everything is documented in the first post and newer stuff is documented in the thread so please don't ask me questions that are already answered. My job is not to convince you to try this. You either try it and by that I mean you actually do a few tubs and put some work in or you don't.






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Thankx for ur input.

-The trick and real hurdle is to find a culture that will be doing well in a tub-

could you elaborate , you looking for culture that is fast on agar/lc and colonize fast?

did monotubs worked for all pans so far for you?

I like the monotub idea , my main concern with martha is the cleaning and the energy consumption plus the space it takes.







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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fred_feuerstein69] * 4
    #28275451 - 04/13/23 06:38 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

Well, the thing with air is, it's very light. If you have a room which has a little airflow, it's no problem for the air in the tub to exchange with just a flipped lid. Maybe not as much as in a Martha, but it's still happening.

Getting full canopies is more a matter of good genetics which thrive well in the certain enviroments imho. So if you already have good genetics which preform well, it's enough to get nice canopies in unmodded Mono's with flipped lids.

But I bet my left ball(freshly shaved), that somewhere here in the shroomery someone already explained it^^ I am just to lazy to search it now xD


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 3
    #28275452 - 04/13/23 06:38 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

But he just has to argue with TCs :rofl:

Mushrooms are weird man. Get over it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #28275454 - 04/13/23 06:41 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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But he just has to argue with TCs :rofl:

Mushrooms are weird man. Get over it.




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 3
    #28275455 - 04/13/23 06:41 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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You have the kind of attitude that's not appreciated here. Just a heads up. We like to keep it civil and friendly for everyone.




RIP your inbox, make sure to block their PMs before engaging them on the forum or you're going to get a bunch of PMs telling you a bunch of hippie shit about your ego :lol:

I ended up having to universally block them to avoid harassment, and I'm very close to giving them five albinos.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #28275456 - 04/13/23 06:41 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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Fred_feuerstein69 said:
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Adas said:
There are different ways to create FAE, like tilting the lid a bit. Also, you can ask more politely, without putting other members down. You have the kind of attitude that's not appreciated here. Just a heads up. We like to keep it civil and friendly for everyone.




I asked this question few times and no answers been given. I also spoke with other pan growers about it and they also have zero clue how this can even work.

Pan needs a steady airflow over surface to grow, a tilted lid on unmod tub in a corner of a room with still standing air doesnt create airflow.

I also asked Baba the same.. no answers given.

Maybe they find genetics that love to grow on co2...:cool:






I answered this question in our lengthily PM conversation together with many other questions over the course of many PM's. What a waste of time that was.


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Hi man,

good that yo want to try pans in a mono tub. The thing is you can grow most if not all pans with success in a mono tub. The trick and real hurdle is to find a culture that will be doing well in a tub. It's not that hard to do. People are getting frustrated to get a bunk or too delicate culture to fruit and waste their time on dialing in conditions instead of going back to spores. Try to get a few fruits and then take a good number of clones and run those. Some will be doing well in a tub.

Yes unmodified tubs have just a cracked lid as shown in the thread, there are photos to look at. No, I don not have them in a martha because the whole point of this thread is to only use tubs. I stack em up in a corner, no fans no nothing just tubs as the title says. Everything is documented in the first post and newer stuff is documented in the thread so please don't ask me questions that are already answered. My job is not to convince you to try this. You either try it and by that I mean you actually do a few tubs and put some work in or you don't.






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Thankx for ur input.

-The trick and real hurdle is to find a culture that will be doing well in a tub-

could you elaborate , you looking for culture that is fast on agar/lc and colonize fast?

did monotubs worked for all pans so far for you?

I like the monotub idea , my main concern with martha is the cleaning and the energy consumption plus the space it takes.










no you didnt, tell me again how you create airflow in unmod monotub that u put in a corner where no air flow is present?

you claiming that you found a pan genetic that drives on co2?

without a proper FAE there is noway a full canopy can grow. You even dismiss manual Fae...

kirkeng monotub seems to be also inside a martha. clearly to see..

https://ibb.co/25tFhvx


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fred_feuerstein69]
    #28275457 - 04/13/23 06:43 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps] * 3
    #28275458 - 04/13/23 06:45 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

He farts on his fucking mushrooms.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 4
    #28275521 - 04/13/23 07:39 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

@baba, yeah this tub was on the corner spot of rack, that’s a good call on turning the tub I will try that! I’ve been meaning to pull my racks a bit away from the wall as well, space is limited though, my 6x10 room is fucking packed to the rim and barely any room to move any more.. gotta get creative.

@fred, no Martha used, I’ve never used a tent or any environmental control, I like the challenges of doing without. As others have stated genetics play a big role and filtering for genetics takes time to get right for a tub, not all work for this setup. Airflow can happen with a simple flipped lid just fine. I do not fan these tubs all passive airflow, I mist twice a day that is it. Further where I live gets 4 seasons and besides winter the room is not temperature controlled, temps fluctuate from 65-95F throughout the year, Rh from 10-60, everything grows fine all year though adjustments have to made each season. Regardless if you believe me or not this is how I do it. I’ve been doing it this way for several species for many years, it has not happened for me like this over night… yes this is a clone from a previous ms tub. I’ve yet to run into a mushroom that cannot be grown in a tub set-up like this, maybe I will one day but frankly if I do I attribute it to a genetic or skill issue and eventually I know I can do it, at least that what I tell myself to keep trying. It’s not some conspiracy to trick people into wasting their time.. pans especially can have a reputation for being very finicky, and they are to an extent, however with enough patience they can be just as forgiving as cubes. I’ll add just because something isn’t being done “by the book” does not mean we are lying to you.
Edit: also since I use racks to organize my tubs that means it’s in a Martha? Nah man, just means I have several racks to keep everything organized and easily accessible, since I must them twice a day I don’t like stacking so I don’t have to I stack and restock all the time to mist.. enough with this pseudo detective work.

@everyone else, thank y’all!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
    #28275532 - 04/13/23 07:49 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

Brilliant results kirkeng. How long did it take? My tub has been sitting fully colonized and cased for 2 weeks+ and nothing



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey]
    #28275536 - 04/13/23 07:51 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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Brilliant results kirkeng. How long did it take? My tub has been sitting fully colonized and cased for 2 weeks+ and nothing







Mine look the same, took around 4weeks for me to start to see pinning, but I have low temps around 70F


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps]
    #28275547 - 04/13/23 08:01 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

@odissey, bisporus tends to pin about two weeks after casing for me, a couple times they’ve taken 3 but only once or twice. Seems they’ve grown through that casing a lot, not saying that’s bad necessarily, though mine tend to not grow through the casing much, perhaps that could be extending the time to pin? Perhaps a smidge wet as well, I’ve been dialing back the moisture somewhat signicantly while developing pin sets which seems to be helping. Still keepin it moist and damp but not necessarily distinct water droplets over the surface. Just my two cents though, I think yours will still pin eventually, or the culture may not be the best. Tubs will always have a steeper learning curve over a Martha. Good luck though!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 1
    #28275561 - 04/13/23 08:13 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

Bit of a cross post from the subtropicalis thread, but I'm planning to run some more Bisporus and also another pan variety soon.. I got this 120l tote up and running now to see how it behaves with a Subtropicalis clone. Drilled some holes on the top side instead of the sgfc hole configuration in the lid.. I'll add some heating mats on top to prevent condensation dripping back on the fruits.. Does anyone see objections to what I did here?

I had to give up my efforts with Zaps for now.. as the FC I made failed time after time again. A well.. at least I should be able to grow pans and subtropicalis now. I recall Dr Mario had great succes with the JCM FC too with subtropicalis.


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    #28275584 - 04/13/23 08:31 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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Brilliant results kirkeng. How long did it take? My tub has been sitting fully colonized and cased for 2 weeks+ and nothing







Mine look the same, took around 4weeks for me to start to see pinning, but I have low temps around 70F




4 weeks  and now pinning? any pictures?  if anything takes longer than max 2-3 weeks it will not show any growth.  those might be just aborts.


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