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Fred_feuerstein69 said: Pan Cambo Goliath (outdoor)
Observe Pans in nature and copy as best as possible.
For outdoor: Be in an area with hot/humid weather. Find a shaded spot with indirect sunlight where a wind breeze can hover over it.
Same applies for any indoor growth. Understanding the growing conditions in nature, copy them as best as possible, will bring you the results you want. Pans can be grown with almost any substrate as long there is manure from grass fed animals in it.
The understanding of fruiting conditions is the key point!! plus a healthy culture/spawn!




Yo, nice!
Compost works too btw.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28269449 - 04/09/23 12:33 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Really beautiful Fred!
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Murphy07 said: If you were you guesstimate how kuch long until harvest what's your estimate?

Yours are looking great too Murphy! It is hard to tell from the pic on my phone but is your casing layer a bit dry?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28269468 - 04/09/23 01:31 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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compost is also called manure...
Edited by Fred_feuerstein69 (04/14/23 12:58 AM)
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Edited by Fred_feuerstein69 (04/14/23 12:59 AM)
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I love the look of outdoor Pans! Beauty
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28269649 - 04/09/23 07:44 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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I concur those look beautiful!
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Fred_feuerstein69 said: Another Pan cyan Jamaica outdoor growth underneath house.
conditions: hot/humid, place in shade with air flow and indirect sunlight. Some manual misting. SUB: horse manure, rice hulls, vermiculite casing just compost/vermiculite.







Wow these are stunning!
This may be dumb a question, but do you have to worry about contamination when cultivating outdoors?
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Fred_feuerstein69 said: Another Pan cyan Jamaica outdoor growth underneath house.
conditions: hot/humid, place in shade with air flow and indirect sunlight. Some manual misting. SUB: horse manure, rice hulls, vermiculite casing just compost/vermiculite.







Wow these are stunning!
This may be dumb a question, but do you have to worry about contamination when cultivating outdoors?
There is never be a dumb question.
How does living things act in nature? Strong genetics will survive and others will be kicked out by natural selection process.
Main key is to find a strong aggressive culture that suits your setup and than just let nature does its work. If you get a few good shrooms than clone them and than do it again. Similar to indoor growth. Key is to get a few good shrooms which you clone and than you work with that culture. Every home environment is different and god knows how many factors play a role... quality of grains, water, sub, air. exposure to altitude, air pressure,light, temp, humidity, wifi, 5g... maybe even moon circle .. and many other things we dont even know about it.
If u get a few shrooms you know you got a culture that suits your environment and the work can begin to stabilize it. And thats how the big guys gets their full canopies after hard work of trying. PS: If you see it from the metaphysical point of view than worrying is the first step to failure. It will have an impact on the outcome.
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BVI in cheap propagating trays
LC straight to sterilized sub bags ( sub: horse manure, rice hulls, vermiculite) ( no grains)
Trays left in well ventilated corner of room. Temp 21-24C.
Vents were left completely closed and domes put correctly on until the sub colonized, then cased and opened the vents and domes were aadjusted to allow for fae as seen in pictures.The inside of the dome was misted 2x daily.









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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 3
#28270630 - 04/10/23 01:30 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: Second flush of the Komodo - not nearly as prolific, but on average bigger fruits I think.



I never pay attention to such things but since this is a pretty novel variety, I thought folks might be curious. 26.25 dried grams for first flush. 8.75 dried grams from the second flush - so 35 grams so far. It looks to me that it still have some reserves … we’ll see if there is a third flush 🤷♂️
Look at that, beautifull. What are the fruits like; sturdy, with decent stipes like pan bisporus? Or more like other pans thin/fragile?
I've made some T0, as I used tons of spawn and substrate for my outdoor growth.. but as it condensed due to rain and became a muddy mess... So I'll do an indoor growth. Read these things contain a large amount of norbaeocystin.
The stems on these are pretty sturdy. They are pretty much solid from the bottom up about 1/3 up then they get hollow but the walls are thick. Definitely not fragile like some pan cyans.
Did a taste test this weekend. I took .5 grams, a friend on his second trip ever took .5 grams. I tripped but not too hard, he tripped pretty hard, OEV in broad daylight, pretty intense CEV, a lot of wonder, laughter, a bit of crying (but from joy I think). Another friend took 4 grams. He said it was one of his strongest trips in his life. He got a bit frightened on the come up because of some dark / demonic content (I think it was related to the music he was listening to) a friend took him outside and away from the music and he tripped balls for hours and said they were the best mushrooms ever! Another friend took 2 grams and then another 2 grams 30 minutes later and he said it was very powerful but not very visual. The last guy had started with some mdma and about 2.5-3 hours after we had all started he said he wanted to have some. I had measured out 1 gram in a cup for him. But he poured about half back into the bag. Then he poured some hot water on what looked to be about .5 grams. Then he drank about half of that after it sat for about 15 minutes. Within an hour he said he was tripping very hard! I figure his dose was between .25 -.35 of a gram!
This was an MS tub. I figure if I can find a good clone in this it could be a super potent pan.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] 7
#28270657 - 04/10/23 03:09 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I know it's not much, but my first pans to actually mature and not contam out before^^ I am happy

The big ones stopt getting any taller but not seeing any spores yet. Should probably wait a bit longer before picking (want to get at least a clone and a spore print^^)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps]
#28270680 - 04/10/23 04:17 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Shrimps said: I know it's not much, but my first pans to actually mature and not contam out before^^ I am happy

The big ones stopt getting any taller but not seeing any spores yet. Should probably wait a bit longer before picking (want to get at least a clone and a spore print^^)
Congratulations Shrimps
I am on the same mission. A clone and a print.
May your next grow go much better. G
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Genome794] 6
#28270825 - 04/10/23 08:14 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Here is my first successful pan grow. Nec-D in a martha. Went Agar - LC - Rye - 1:1:1 sub (straw, horse poo, verm).
Thanks for all the help. Saving these for a solstice ritual in the countryside.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast] 3
#28270953 - 04/10/23 10:29 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Great work everyone!
Psilo, what kinda fool is your friend to take 4g of Pans? I've heard of people basically almost blacking out from 2g. Does he have a super high natural tolerance?
On a side note, does anybody know what happened to JCM? Havent seen him in a very long time.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 5
#28271853 - 04/10/23 08:45 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Hey everyone!
Cloning When cloning fruits, what characteristics do you look for? Fastest growth, biggest body, best-looking, etc.?
Here are some pics of the first flush of BVI (T2). I'm new to agar, so I'm assuming I didn't pick the best looking growth, although headed in the right direction (I hope).



Storing Pasteurized Jars of Substrate I used to pasteurize my substrate in bags, but recently tried jars, as I'm testing multiple blends of sub. I added heavy duty foil over the jars (in place of lids), with the rings screwed somewhat loose over the foil. I'm letting these sit for 5 days until mixing with grain (the rings still aren't screwed tightly). Is this the correct thing to do, or will there not be enough gas exchange?

Grow House Update The sight of a fully loaded tent is fun to look at, but it's presented some challenges, along with some learnings. For example, the top and bottom shelves produce the best results, while the middle two struggle. My theory is that the top shelf gets the most fresh air and evaporation, due to it being so close to the fogger and fan at the top of the tent; while the bottom shelf experiences a similar advantage due to the flaps being slightly unzipped. My next "iteration" (if you'd call it that) is to reduce the number of trays in the tent to create better airflow and a more even climate from top to bottom. This seems to be what the rest of the successful cultivators do around here, so no need for me to re-invent the wheel.

- Top shelf is mostly Estero and BVI on their second flush (the tray in the top front is starting its first)
- Middle shelves are mostly Estero on its second flush
- Bottom shelf is mostly Bisporus and BVI on their first flush
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old_fart_out_west said: Hey everyone!
Cloning When cloning fruits, what characteristics do you look for? Fastest growth, biggest body, best-looking, etc.?
Clone the biggest shroom in a cluster. Among clusters, the one that appeared first. If only one fruit body or two are good candidates for cloning (and generally to clone pans) use antibiotic agar plates. (Best Choice : chloramphenicol) Concentration: 16mg chloramphenicol per liter of agar media. Can be sterilized along with agar. (Added before PC/autoclave) Cheap and useful source: chloramphenicol eye drops. (Calculate the required amount based on your agar volume)
I've tested this antibiotic and it works like a charm.
Disclaimer: Antibiotics don't replace a good sterilization procedure. They just help with dealing with bacterial colonies when there's no other choice (like cloning or working with wild fruit bodies)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: psilocybist]
#28272225 - 04/11/23 04:02 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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psilocybist said:
Clone the biggest shroom in a cluster. Among clusters, the one that appeared first. If only one fruit body or two are good candidates for cloning (and generally to clone pans) use antibiotic agar plates. (Best Choice : chloramphenicol) Concentration: 16mg chloramphenicol per liter of agar media. Can be sterilized along with agar. (Added before PC/autoclave) Cheap and useful source: chloramphenicol eye drops. (Calculate the required amount based on your agar volume)
I've tested this antibiotic and it works like a charm.
Where can one find chloramphenicol eye drops? Tried a simple search couldn't find really determine if it contained the stuff or not.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss] 3
#28272250 - 04/11/23 04:32 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Try water agar for cloning. Just water and agar, bacteria has a very hard on it and gets outrun by mycelium easily.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27900393
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps] 1
#28272253 - 04/11/23 04:34 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Shrimps said: I know it's not much, but my first pans to actually mature and not contam out before^^ I am happy

The big ones stopt getting any taller but not seeing any spores yet. Should probably wait a bit longer before picking (want to get at least a clone and a spore print^^)
Yay!
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