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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #28238580 - 03/20/23 07:38 PM (10 months, 5 days ago)

Does this brown pooling liquid look like it's from mycelium metabolites? I'm trying to decide if it's worth casing and putting into fruiting conditions or not.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: minameisjake] * 1
    #28238921 - 03/20/23 10:26 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

IMO, that might just be from the substrate. Are you using manure or compost? I think I would go ahead and case it and put it into FC.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28238930 - 03/20/23 10:32 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

Those look delicious!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sporemaster420]
    #28238949 - 03/20/23 11:02 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Pretty sure that’s overkill and will be quite loud. In the bubbler thread the OG poster had like two 250GPH pumps for a 100L tote I think.



Hey thanks so much. I appreciate it.
Everybodys stuff is looking really good and I'm jelly!!! Happy Monday/Tuesday you panheads!!

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bakedbeings] * 5
    #28238951 - 03/20/23 11:05 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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hello pan masters, i am working my way through this thread in preparation for germing my first pan spores, but in the meantime i have a quick question for anyone who doesnt mind humoring noobs

mlady is not excited about me cooking manure in our tiny apartment, but compost and/or worm castings would be ok. how do yall feel about these amendments?




Well don’t tell anyone but I managed to grow a decent flush of pans with a 50 50 mix of coir and cold pasteurized chopped wheat straw. No Hpoo or compost.

I’ll see if I can find a picture…
Here is a tray of pans colonizing that 50 50 mix.
The flush wasn’t epic but my point here is you can grow pans without manure and stinking your partner out:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 2
    #28239038 - 03/21/23 01:34 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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I finally grew pans!






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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
    #28239127 - 03/21/23 05:16 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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bakedbeings said:
hello pan masters, i am working my way through this thread in preparation for germing my first pan spores, but in the meantime i have a quick question for anyone who doesnt mind humoring noobs

mlady is not excited about me cooking manure in our tiny apartment, but compost and/or worm castings would be ok. how do yall feel about these amendments?




Well don’t tell anyone but I managed to grow a decent flush of pans with a 50 50 mix of coir and cold pasteurized chopped wheat straw. No Hpoo or compost.

I’ll see if I can find a picture…
Here is a tray of pans colonizing that 50 50 mix.
The flush wasn’t epic but my point here is you can grow pans without manure and stinking your partner out:







I'm doing something similar, but I hydrated my coir with a steer manure compost tea... my tubs with straw mixed in look like they're colonizing quickest, I got one tub of straight coir(hydrated
with compost tea)... we'll see what happens in like 10-12 days though


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Leftfield420]
    #28239168 - 03/21/23 06:25 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

When you're using the manure tea do you just bring it to field capacity all with the tea or do you just use a ratio of poo tea to water to reach field capacity?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: abductee]
    #28239194 - 03/21/23 07:08 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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When you're using the manure tea do you just bring it to field capacity all with the tea or do you just use a ratio of poo tea to water to reach field capacity?





just an experiment at this point.... I used compost tea to hydrate coir, then pasteurized the mix..  if it works I'll call this method the buold a turd tek🤣


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Leftfield420]
    #28239213 - 03/21/23 07:22 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

Question for you folks running a jartha or martha tent set up. I have my martha set-up up I have a small space heater in the bottom with a thermostat cut off set to 74 degrees, as well as a fogger running through the top with a 15min on cycle and 45 off. Do you think this combination is sufficient for proper FAE, or is it imperative I install a small fan at the top? Just looking for tips from people who have ran similar or ran with or without and any difference it mad.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Murphy07]
    #28239272 - 03/21/23 08:22 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

I'm curious about this, Jake Oncid puts emphasis on the pans thriving on cycles of thick fog level humidity and then warm dry air to evaporate a bit and then rest, repeat.  This is how I set up my marthas and cubes love it but haven't gotten to the pans yet, and not sure if it's that big of a deal or not, since some people are having great results with tub grows...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: esotericbound]
    #28239285 - 03/21/23 08:29 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

After another set of transfers (.6% nutrition), the pan cyan jalisco plates are looking their best yet but .. I'm still suspicious of contam hiding out.  In the following pictures, a Jalisco agar plate and PC Jamaica plate.  Is the darker center (in comparison) on the Jalisco plate a sign of problems relative to the Jamaica plate?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: esotericbound]
    #28239425 - 03/21/23 10:34 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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After another set of transfers (.6% nutrition), the pan cyan jalisco plates are looking their best yet but .. I'm still suspicious of contam hiding out.  In the following pictures, a Jalisco agar plate and PC Jamaica plate.  Is the darker center (in comparison) on the Jalisco plate a sign of problems relative to the Jamaica plate?






Personally I'd take from the farthest from the center, I haven't confirmed yet but both my estero plates look stellar, however today I checked and there was a tinge of purple in the center. I can post pics later but up until today they looked great and it just may be my eyes but if I make transfers or decide to spawn I'll take it from the farthest growth. Hope that helps your decision making


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: esotericbound]
    #28239430 - 03/21/23 10:38 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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I'm curious about this, Jake Oncid puts emphasis on the pans thriving on cycles of thick fog level humidity and then warm dry air to evaporate a bit and then rest, repeat.  This is how I set up my marthas and cubes love it but haven't gotten to the pans yet, and not sure if it's that big of a deal or not, since some people are having great results with tub grows...





I'm seeing that as well..I'm sure if you dug hard enough you could figure out if the ease of using tubs is worth the the price of potentially lower yields/smaller fruits.but I have seen plenty of success stories recently of tubs working fine but why use them if you have a martha tent unless space was an issue, just seems easier to control the environment in a tent vs an entire room. Personal opinion only


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: esotericbound]
    #28239437 - 03/21/23 10:49 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Murphy07 said:
Question for you folks running a jartha or martha tent set up. I have my martha set-up up I have a small space heater in the bottom with a thermostat cut off set to 74 degrees, as well as a fogger running through the top with a 15min on cycle and 45 off. Do you think this combination is sufficient for proper FAE, or is it imperative I install a small fan at the top? Just looking for tips from people who have ran similar or ran with or without and any difference it mad.




That is how I ran my first tent, only with different cycle lengths. Repeat cycle timers allow you to run fog for 2 to 3 minutes, and off every 12 or 13 minutes. Either could work, but the repeat cycle timers let you maximize the cycling.

Since it's getting fresh air every time the fogger runs, that should provide plenty of FAE.

I will warn, running the heater in the bottom will shorten it's lifespan quickly. Next I'm going to switch to heating the entire room, with the heater outside of the tent. I'll use a stand alone fan to exhaust the foggy air after the fogger cycle is complete. I will be using 2 repeat cycle timers running in an alternating, synchronized setting. (Only one will be on at a time, with rest cycles in between.)

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I'm curious about this, Jake Oncid puts emphasis on the pans thriving on cycles of thick fog level humidity and then warm dry air to evaporate a bit and then rest, repeat.  This is how I set up my marthas and cubes love it but haven't gotten to the pans yet, and not sure if it's that big of a deal or not, since some people are having great results with tub grows...




IMO, I think it helps maximize the size of fruits and possibly yield. If you already have everything to run it, I'd say run it. Otherwise, you could experiment with a simple FC and go from there.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #28239499 - 03/21/23 11:41 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

Does anyone have a good substate recipe for a shoebox?  Personal use only not worried about yield


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Auron]
    #28239520 - 03/21/23 11:56 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Does anyone have a good substate recipe for a shoebox?  Personal use only not worried about yield




From what I've read, you can just get away with CVG bucket tek + 50/50casing right?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Auron] * 1
    #28239583 - 03/21/23 12:50 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Does anyone have a good substate recipe for a shoebox?  Personal use only not worried about yield





Is it just the one shoebox you are running and are you using MS genetics?

MS is a bit of a gamble and you might get or get not what you consider enough for your personal use, if you are planning on running more pans then definitely take a few clones.


CVG can give you some fruits but if you are comfortable with the pasteurization process then it's worthwhile adding manure or compost to improve overall performance, especially if you are just running one shoebox with MS genetics.

I haven't done all that many coir only grows, it can work but a bit or manure makes a difference from my experience, here a comparison coir vs coir manure with a clone culture.






20% manure, 80% coir is the minimum I ran so far and it worked well.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #28239613 - 03/21/23 01:18 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

Black Kow counts as manure/compost right? just properly pasteurize it?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gorguss]
    #28239637 - 03/21/23 01:34 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

Here are some 2nd transfers away from MS plate. I've put them from Germ plate, to water agar, back to regular agar.

This is Australian:
this is odd but for some reason some software has changed the color of the agar blue, but it is in fact red like the second pic





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