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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: esotericbound]
    #28222767 - 03/09/23 06:47 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

What temperature are y'all fruiting your pans? I'm considering giving it a go in the near future.

Also, what is the current consensus on running pans in tub vs greenhouse? I haven't read up on it in a long time but have seen some decent pan grows in tubs somewhat recently. My greenhouse is packed away and I'd prefer to use tubs for the sake of simplicity.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
    #28222843 - 03/09/23 07:34 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

Have a look in my sig if you haven't already.

Greenhouses are probably able to turn out a higher yield or better BE but that advantage will get offset by the simplicity factor of tubs which can do great as well. There is not much data on what an average yield per quart should be though. The main thing is to find good genetics and you will be happy. Temps are usually between 70 and 77 for me but a little bit more or less won't be a problem IME.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: esotericbound] * 1
    #28222862 - 03/09/23 07:43 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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As requested:
Peace River
PC Jamaica
Jalisco plate 1
Jalisco plate 2





Peace River is looking textbook. Jam photo is a bit over exposed, the puffiness can be normal this one might benefit from another transfer. Jalisco does indeed look very sus/moldy.

Have you tried lowering nutrients yet? Running pans on 0.5%-1% nutrient instead of 2% does make it grow less tomentose and more organized. Worth a try.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #28222884 - 03/09/23 07:58 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

I'm stumped. Seeing most of my pan cultures stop growing and then try and form these grey spots.

Sent what was "clean" to grain and got some decent colonization. Smell wasn't the familiar pan myc.
Broke up clean, looks fine, off to the shit and time to clean the tent.

Sub is coir with some alpaca & horse, maybe 30%. I'm lazy with pans need some prints.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #28222909 - 03/09/23 08:07 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Have a look in my sig if you haven't already.

Greenhouses are probably able to turn out a higher yield or better BE but that advantage will get offset by the simplicity factor of tubs which can do great as well. There is not much data on what an average yield per quart should be though. The main thing is to find good genetics and you will be happy. Temps are usually between 70 and 77 for me but a little bit more or less won't be a problem IME.




Really? You can get away below 70? Interesting. I thought I was going to have to hit the 80s.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: the_prodigy] * 1
    #28222932 - 03/09/23 08:17 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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That shit is dense.

Baba, Hindsight, everyone is killing it. Hope to be able to show something I am proud of down the line.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
    #28222938 - 03/09/23 08:20 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Check your sterile technique, your agar work probably needs to be better or your jar lids are not up to specs.

You gonna start posting few photos soon?



It very well could be my technique for sure. I am pretty sterile. I actually deep clean my house once a month whether it needs it or not. I definitely need to start to try posting pictures. I struggle with that as well lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28222948 - 03/09/23 08:23 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Have a look in my sig if you haven't already.

Greenhouses are probably able to turn out a higher yield or better BE but that advantage will get offset by the simplicity factor of tubs which can do great as well. There is not much data on what an average yield per quart should be though. The main thing is to find good genetics and you will be happy. Temps are usually between 70 and 77 for me but a little bit more or less won't be a problem IME.




Really? You can get away below 70? Interesting. I thought I was going to have to hit the 80s.






70-80 is certainly better but lower than that is no deal breaker as such, it can work alright. Posted this example before but why not again.


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First run with Nec-D fruited@spawn and uncased

coir/compost 50/50, 1:3 ratio @ 2-2.5 inch, temps 17C-22C with a couple of nights going down to 13-14C cause I forgot to switch the heater on.
130g wet which is a bit underwhelming but could have been in the 200s with a bit of grooming during colonization I suppose.



Happy as tbh. Since I only grew one pan cambo variety for years I was always curious how other pans would perform in a tub and this one seems to like it as well even F@S and not being cased didn't get in the way except from where the sub surface dried out in front of the bottom holes which I didn't mist during colonization. I am absolutely positive that this can be avoided by either dialing in air flow and/or misting. Those areas are actually not dead but are starting to pin now. Not sure if I wait for those to mature though.









And another example


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It's in the works but will take some more time.

Here is another interesting thing which I also posted on the tub thread


Had an unmodified tub which had mites in it from a prepped substrate that was sitting in a bucket for a bit too long.




It was put out on the porch were it sat for 7 days at temperatures between 55F and 72F and humid weather. The lid was put on like this, upside down with just the gaps on the short ends.





This morning I found some pins 8 days after spawn, wasn't cased either. The substrate was done with liquid manure pasteurization.





Update 1:

The fruits ended up being plenty but small, most about 2". Also they were a bit deformed which I had happening before with Wild Coast. But it fruited regardless of the mites and temperatures which is pretty sweet. A rough harvest was 81g wet with quite a bit left on the surface.




Update 2:

Now harvested the second flush which would be perfect if the fruits were just a couple of inch taller. Still good though and nice looking mushrooms. Together with the first flush it's 233g wet.









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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Scotay]
    #28222953 - 03/09/23 08:24 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Check your sterile technique, your agar work probably needs to be better or your jar lids are not up to specs.

You gonna start posting few photos soon?



It very well could be my technique for sure. I am pretty sterile. I actually deep clean my house once a month whether it needs it or not. I definitely need to start to try posting pictures. I struggle with that as well lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 6
    #28223032 - 03/09/23 09:11 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

SΓ³, how about my first try at pans? Not too bad huh?I'm pretty proud:lol:



Found this weird guy....sporeless/albino spores or something else?



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #28223292 - 03/10/23 05:45 AM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Differences between Pan Cyan Peace River, Pan Cambodginiensis Jamaica, Pan Cyan Jalisco Mexico?


Picture shows plates 7 days after transfer.

On agar, the Peace River seems to be thriving the most for me; PC Jamaica looks healthy but slower; and after numerous attempts the the Jalisco always looks funny and usually has some kind of contam - the right plate in foreground is best one yet but... idk, that contam seems to be sneaky.

Between the three, is there any notable difference in ease of growing, yields, potency/vibe etc?  I was planning on trying all 3 with rye grain->coir/manure (with a little bit of straw in it), should these be happy with that combo? 

I've about given up on the Jaliscos but if they have some special, desirable characteristics I will keep trying....




I can say that Cyan and Bisporus are different. Cyans is VERY energetic and forceful, but not in a bad way. Bisporus makes your body vibrate at a high frequency which is very nice and reassuring. The trip is much calmer than Cyans and the visuals are similar, but possibly even better. I've had an experience similar to reliving my own birth on Bisporus. Not quite, but the closest I've ever been on any drug. Bisporus also tends to give amazing afterglows unlike anything else,

I highly suggest you to try both.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #28223621 - 03/10/23 10:37 AM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Differences between Pan Cyan Peace River, Pan Cambodginiensis Jamaica, Pan Cyan Jalisco Mexico?


Picture shows plates 7 days after transfer.

On agar, the Peace River seems to be thriving the most for me; PC Jamaica looks healthy but slower; and after numerous attempts the the Jalisco always looks funny and usually has some kind of contam - the right plate in foreground is best one yet but... idk, that contam seems to be sneaky.

Between the three, is there any notable difference in ease of growing, yields, potency/vibe etc?  I was planning on trying all 3 with rye grain->coir/manure (with a little bit of straw in it), should these be happy with that combo? 

I've about given up on the Jaliscos but if they have some special, desirable characteristics I will keep trying....




I can say that Cyan and Bisporus are different. Cyans is VERY energetic and forceful, but not in a bad way. Bisporus makes your body vibrate at a high frequency which is very nice and reassuring. The trip is much calmer than Cyans and the visuals are similar, but possibly even better. I've had an experience similar to reliving my own birth on Bisporus. Not quite, but the closest I've ever been on any drug. Bisporus also tends to give amazing afterglows unlike anything else,

I highly suggest you to try both.



you're just determined to make me do more work, aren't you:tongue:
have you tried these various species with harmalas? dimitri?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #28223628 - 03/10/23 10:41 AM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Adrenognome said:You should read the holotropic mind by stanislav groff



I'll check this out.  Does it go into differences of experiences between mushroom species?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: esotericbound]
    #28223642 - 03/10/23 10:53 AM (10 months, 15 days ago)

Mixing mush and harmala feels wrong on every level for me. Absolutely no point doing that.


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    #28223649 - 03/10/23 10:56 AM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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I'll check this out.  Does it go into differences of experiences between mushroom species?



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 2
    #28223826 - 03/10/23 01:11 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Mixing mush and harmala feels wrong on every level for me. Absolutely no point doing that.





I'd almost bet bisporus are one of the ones that have higher than average levels of Harmaline, Harmine, and related beta-carbolines in the fruits and mycelium.

5g+ of pan bisporus felt soooo similar to psilohuasca to me, with the dreamlike visionary state, right down to lasting 8 hours and the fatigue/malaise that I've always experienced with harmala + Mush.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n] * 1
    #28223851 - 03/10/23 01:26 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Mixing mush and harmala feels wrong on every level for me. Absolutely no point doing that.





I'd almost bet bisporus are one of the ones that have higher than average levels of Harmaline, Harmine, and related beta-carbolines in the fruits and mycelium.

5g+ of pan bisporus felt soooo similar to psilohuasca to me, with the dreamlike visionary state, right down to lasting 8 hours and the fatigue/malaise that I've always experienced with harmala + Mush.



Is this similar to nats? Sounds like it’s my nat experience


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n] * 1
    #28223883 - 03/10/23 01:53 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Mixing mush and harmala feels wrong on every level for me. Absolutely no point doing that.





I'd almost bet bisporus are one of the ones that have higher than average levels of Harmaline, Harmine, and related beta-carbolines in the fruits and mycelium.

5g+ of pan bisporus felt soooo similar to psilohuasca to me, with the dreamlike visionary state, right down to lasting 8 hours and the fatigue/malaise that I've always experienced with harmala + Mush.




You can bet, but the research just isn't there yet :shrug: Lasting 8 hours would be the norm at such absolutely monstrous doses and the fatigue is also expected.

They definitely contain something unique though. I've never had any other mush produce such high-freq vibrations on the comeup. It actually calms me down everytime, because it feels like a massage.

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Is this similar to nats? Sounds like it’s my nat experience




Not really, at least in my experience. Nats are like a cloudy high, in a good way. Bisporus is amazing and loving but in a much more clear way, if that makes any sense.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #28223897 - 03/10/23 02:04 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

Happy Friday you filthy panheads!! I hope your tents and totes are poppin. Dehydrators runnin on overtime.
Thanks again for all the knowledge y'all drop in here!! That shit is phenomenal.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #28223934 - 03/10/23 02:41 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

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Mixing mush and harmala feels wrong on every level for me. Absolutely no point doing that.



To each their own.  Oral harmalas before mush isn't my fav as it supercharges a journey that might not go in a good direction, but if a mush trip is going well, smoking Harmine + THH is quite something for 20 minutes or so.


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