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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mikeybox] 1
#28202680 - 02/24/23 02:23 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Interesting fruiting approach mbox, will be staying around for this. 
My first grows were all cased with verm and it worked fine, it's just a pain to clean and sticks to everything is all.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28202691 - 02/24/23 02:28 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Do you think pan cyan BVI will pin with straight verm casing? I hope so... I was planning on trying this... it is a little ways off though, my BVI spores just germinated recently, I haven't made transfers yet. But that's the plan a little ways down the road, to attempt pan cyan BVI in the same tent that worked well for pan cambo Goliath.
I mainly wanted to use straight verm as casing because I've had issues with Jiffy Mix casing growing mold. I had a huge 50 gallon tub of pan cambo Goliath that fully colonized, but then I added pasteurized Jiffy Mix casing, and the casing quickly was overrun with cobweb mold. I probably didn't pasteurize it correctly or something, I dunno.
If I can get away with straight verm, I would rather try that, to minimize contam risks on the casing...
I've already found pan cambo Goliath will pin readily with straight verm casing, just unsure about pan cyan BVI.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheDoobsker]
#28202697 - 02/24/23 02:29 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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TheDoobsker said: Casing this tray of Jambos. Fully colonized after 4 days and I've let it sit an extra 2 because of how fluffy it's gotten. A heat wave ruined my attempt at fruiting these last time. Hoping this one is a success

Thick and creamy with a few yellow beads is how I let cambos consolidate as well before casing.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28202711 - 02/24/23 02:39 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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It's good to know that pans make this thick marshmallow mycelium that can sometimes have yellow beads of metabolites...
I had some of those marshmallow growths on my pan cambo Goliath trays and some people were telling me it was mycogone! Yikes! Fortunately it wasn't mycogone, just typical pan marshmallow. It scared me a bit though having so many people tell me I had mycogone.
It can be interesting sometimes discussing your pan grows with the wider community who mostly grows just cubes, they are just enough different from cubes that you get a lot of interesting, not always helpful advice LOL...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mikeybox]
#28202725 - 02/24/23 02:51 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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I had the same happening to me when running my first pan tubs. I threw out the first two or three thinking I had mycogone. Eventually I just gave it a go and it turned out very well. Back then I wasn't a member and couldn't post which might have saved me from giving up on the pan project. It always pays out to give it a try and see it through for yourself.
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mikeybox said: Do you think pan cyan BVI will pin with straight verm casing? I hope so... I was planning on trying this... it is a little ways off though, my BVI spores just germinated recently, I haven't made transfers yet. But that's the plan a little ways down the road, to attempt pan cyan BVI in the same tent that worked well for pan cambo Goliath.
I mainly wanted to use straight verm as casing because I've had issues with Jiffy Mix casing growing mold. I had a huge 50 gallon tub of pan cambo Goliath that fully colonized, but then I added pasteurized Jiffy Mix casing, and the casing quickly was overrun with cobweb mold. I probably didn't pasteurize it correctly or something, I dunno.
If I can get away with straight verm, I would rather try that, to minimize contam risks on the casing...
I've already found pan cambo Goliath will pin readily with straight verm casing, just unsure about pan cyan BVI.
If this worked for Goliath then it should work for BVI as well. I assume this will be a MS grow? There should be at least some success if you run a few different lines of genetics coming from germ plate. I even had success with leaving Cambos, Nec-D hybrid and a Cyan uncased after consolidation and also when fruited at spawn without casing. Makes you think what role the choice of material alone really plays in the greater picture.
Never have used jiffy mix myself, maybe there is something in the jiffy that is contaminating I would try using peat verm as well at some point.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28202747 - 02/24/23 03:01 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: I had the same happening to me when running my first pan tubs. I threw out the first two or three thinking I had mycogone.
Hi Baba,
I thought the growth described is overlay versus mycogone? From what Iβve seen in other threads here, mycogone develops dimple-like cavities where they excrete darker metabolites. Is that observation true?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Seeker604] 1
#28202784 - 02/24/23 03:26 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Haven't looked at pictures of mycogone in years and I doubt that I ever came across it myself. Some of the metabolite beads are sitting in those dimples or appear to be more embedded into the mycelium. Back then I was very much convinced at first that it was bad stuff.
TL;DR: I couldn't tell you for sure. Here are the best photos I could find of what the harmless metabolite beads look like.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Seeker604] 1
#28202785 - 02/24/23 03:27 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Thanks Yaga, I was actually wondering about the yellow-ness. Not so concerned with the fluff, but I wasn't sure if the yellow beads were normal.
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Baba Yaga said: I had the same happening to me when running my first pan tubs. I threw out the first two or three thinking I had mycogone. Eventually I just gave it a go and it turned out very well. Back then I wasn't a member and couldn't post which might have saved me from giving up on the pan project. It always pays out to give it a try and see it through for yourself.
X2 for not chucking questionable cultures. Seeing how it fruits (or doesn't fruit) can be helpful with the learning process. IME, it takes a really fucked up culture to not produce anything at all.
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Seeker604 said: I thought the growth described is overlay versus mycogone? From what Iβve seen in other threads here, mycogone develops dimple-like cavities where they excrete darker metabolites. Is that observation true? Seeker604
Also curious about this. I think the dimples and metabolites part is true for mycogone. But to my understanding, it's not so simple to tell if mycogone is present. The blobs that PE produces and the fluff that Natalensis produce have been hypothesized as mycogone, but I think it's unclear at this point if that's true. This could be outdated by this point.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheDoobsker] 1
#28202912 - 02/24/23 04:49 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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hi everyone, what is your preferred way of measuring pH of casing? strips? digital meter? do you just stick it in the casing soil and read it immediately? or do you wait? do you add water? or no?
i bought an electric pH probe and it was garbage. one pH reading said 5.5 but i stuck it out and put it back in and it read 8.0. it just gave me random readings.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: uninc4life2010]
#28203077 - 02/24/23 06:37 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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craftymu said: so I got things rolling here are my trays cased. It has been 2 days and hoping for no whammies!! Everything seems to be humid enough I have fresh air on every 15 and kicked up the humidifier to run 15 minutes off 45 minutes.
I think this looks like strong growth, I have no idea though... This takes me back a few years to when I grew my first cubes!! I feel like a newb!!

This reminds me of an oreo McFlurry.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 1
#28203409 - 02/25/23 01:08 AM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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FriedEgg said: hi everyone, what is your preferred way of measuring pH of casing? strips? digital meter? do you just stick it in the casing soil and read it immediately? or do you wait? do you add water? or no?
i bought an electric pH probe and it was garbage. one pH reading said 5.5 but i stuck it out and put it back in and it read 8.0. it just gave me random readings.
I've got electrical ones too, but I keep them solely for brewing/wine making (they messure the PH from liquids). For soil I use the normal teststripes which go until PH 14. I usually take a bit soil into my hand (when reached field capacity) and just squeeze some drops on to the teststripe. Works great 
If you want to test with the ph probe, you would need so squeeze some water into a shotglass until enough to submerge the probe. But that takes a bit more time than just squeezing a couple of drops on to a test stripe.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps] 6
#28203446 - 02/25/23 01:57 AM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Made up to actually have fruits
Fruited in a JCM tub but I feel the tub was maybe too big for the air pump I'm using. Would that explain the skinny fruits, lack of fae?
Had to toss one of the cake tins due to contam
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Potamoose] 1
#28203479 - 02/25/23 04:34 AM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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for pH testing soil substrate you use pH neutral water (distilled) and add your soil then mix, let settle or filter it, then use the pH meter/probe on the liquid or dip a litmus strip in it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 1
#28203533 - 02/25/23 06:28 AM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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FriedEgg said: hi everyone, what is your preferred way of measuring pH of casing?
I dont There are bigger fish to fry IMHO.
Pota, amazing grow! Keep it up!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 3
#28203567 - 02/25/23 06:59 AM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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I'm gonna try my hand with bunnel again soon, thinking about going with a monotub... got a jar of spawn about ready to go into a bag of grain... then I'll start gathering sun dried cow poo from work (free substrate is always good)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Leftfield420]
#28204143 - 02/25/23 01:27 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Wow y'all Killin it up in here. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience (& sometimes failures) It's great seeing seasoned individuals rubbing shoulders with us newbs. Just know that it's appreciated. Question for anyone. Once I actually get to the point of trying to fruition my question is this. I have a nice sized bag of jiffy.... I'm wondering if it would be ok if I mixed it up with some vermiculite mixed together? Even when I DO get to that point I'm definitely gonna pasteurize it. I just have those two things on hand. I just don't want to clusterfuck it when I get there. Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse? π΄ Anyways.... I guess I'm trying to go with the one ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure π€£ Happy Saturday you panheads!!πβοΈ
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Ratatoskr]
#28204467 - 02/25/23 05:46 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ratatoskr said: for pH testing soil substrate you use pH neutral water (distilled) and add your soil then mix, let settle or filter it, then use the pH meter/probe on the liquid or dip a litmus strip in it.
but wouldn't adding water to the soil dilute it and alter the reading?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps]
#28204470 - 02/25/23 05:46 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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FriedEgg said: hi everyone, what is your preferred way of measuring pH of casing? strips? digital meter? do you just stick it in the casing soil and read it immediately? or do you wait? do you add water? or no?
i bought an electric pH probe and it was garbage. one pH reading said 5.5 but i stuck it out and put it back in and it read 8.0. it just gave me random readings.
I've got electrical ones too, but I keep them solely for brewing/wine making (they messure the PH from liquids). For soil I use the normal teststripes which go until PH 14. I usually take a bit soil into my hand (when reached field capacity) and just squeeze some drops on to the teststripe. Works great 
If you want to test with the ph probe, you would need so squeeze some water into a shotglass until enough to submerge the probe. But that takes a bit more time than just squeezing a couple of drops on to a test stripe.
thanks, i will try this. i'm changing up my casing recipe so i need to try and measure it this time.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28204772 - 02/25/23 10:51 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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How much difference does cloning make?
I don't have any monster fruits this flush, but some are pretty big.
Do genetics make much difference in fruit size, or is it mostly growing conditions?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mikeybox] 3
#28204792 - 02/25/23 11:19 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Big difference in yield and consistency.
Mostly both. You can have a good clone but if you give it poor conditions, it'll be shitty. But a shitty culture won't be that good even if you give it good conditions.
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