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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#28148703 - 01/20/23 10:07 AM (1 year, 9 days ago) |
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Timestop413 said: What have people found to be the most significant factors in getting thick, full canopies when growing pans? I want to share my anecdotes and see what people think.
I have been fruiting in an "open air" sort of method in a small bathroom. I put my trays in a bathtub/shower area and cycle a humidifier on/off and the tub kinda fills up with humidity/fog and then dissipates.
I've noticed the trays that get hit more directly with the fog from humidifier, seem to produce heavier in comparison to those that get less direct contact in the tub they are sitting in. I assume this may be due to more evaporation occurring in between "humidifier on/off" cycles on the tubs that are getting more mist on their surface. Should I be cycling the position of my trays? I remember Jakeoncid mentioning this in his tech in his martha.
Another thing I've noticed is that warmer room temperatures, possibly, gives me a better flush. 78-80 Degrees F seemed to produce better than 72-75F.
Other factors I think about about are cleanliness, genetics, and fresh air flow. Unless I'm filling my humidifier (every 24-36 hours), the bathroom door stays shut so there isn't that much fresh air exchange/air flow despite the humidifier misting coming down on the trays every 30 minutes, which seems to be enough.
What have you guys found?
Here are some varied canopies: This was one of my best, at warmer temps (80F) and High humidity

Not as dense:

Least dense, this tray was not receiving much direct contact from the humidifier at all which is why I mentioned that in my post above.

I'm grateful none the less for getting some flushes but really am trying to dial these in.
Good stuff! So you're fruiting these without anything covering the top? Just with the humidifier going over them? When did you expose them to fruiting conditions from colonizing? How thick is your casing layer?
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Good stuff! So you're fruiting these without anything covering the top? Just with the humidifier going over them? When did you expose them to fruiting conditions from colonizing? How thick is your casing layer?
Thanks! And correct, no covering once put into fruiting, they colonize with the lid on though. That is in a shower stall. I taped some polyplastic(panda film) on the side the image is taken from to enclose it like a "tub". The humidifier then mists down on the trays inside the tub on a set cycle, and the enclosed tub sorta fills with mist.

Casing layer is super thin,1/4inch-1/2inch, I expose to fruiting conditions 24 hours or so after casing.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28148763 - 01/20/23 10:54 AM (1 year, 9 days ago) |
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Adas said: Looks amazing! All I can say is that Pans absolutely love water, a lot of it, so maybe pooling water on the surface could improve pinset. My Cyans for sure didn't mind, and possibly loved it.
Ok great, thankyou! They definitely like water I agree. I am thinking heavier fogging/misting from a humidifier might help because with my current humidifier, the fog is really dense where it lands, and not as dense on the perimeters of where it lands. Or I could add another humidifier or build a larger one with the ultrasonic disks maybe. I've never built one of those but I would think theres probably a post on how to make one.
Although I'm not using a martha, I really like reading the Tek from Jakeoncid, he talks alot about wanting to pull the mist down onto the substrate surface which I think is really important, along with heavy airflow to get the evaporation cycles in between humidifying (which I kinda cant do as well in my setup)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#28149251 - 01/20/23 04:13 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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I tried doing this, not in a bathtub, though. It ended up getting verticillium contam that made large fruits with thick, sometimes peeling stems and fruits that bent downward. I did it in a larger room, and having the humidifier on eventually made mold grow on my window casings. I'm hesitant to try it again, but when I see results like yours, I'm really tempted.
What is your on/off cycle? I was doing 30/30 per GordoTek. Temperature in the room?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers]
#28149293 - 01/20/23 04:55 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Moopers said: I tried doing this, not in a bathtub, though. It ended up getting verticillium contam that made large fruits with thick, sometimes peeling stems and fruits that bent downward. I did it in a larger room, and having the humidifier on eventually made mold grow on my window casings. I'm hesitant to try it again, but when I see results like yours, I'm really tempted.
What is your on/off cycle? I was doing 30/30 per GordoTek. Temperature in the room?
For what it's worth, this bathroom was not in good shape from when I started renting it and I wasn't to worried about messing it up but if I owned the house or it was kept in decent shape, I would be cautious like you or choose a different fruiting chamber.
When I grow again, I either will use a martha or get a grow tent (4x4 or 4x8) and set it up similar to how I had this bathroom or how gordo shows it. Heater, Humidifier elevated so the mist falls down onto substrate surface, and then some sort of vessel like a baby pool, concrete mixing bin, or maybe unmodified monos/sterilite tubs would work to put the trays in.. just something that the trays can sit in that allows for fog to fill it up as well. Like how Gordo uses a bath tub, I set up plastic to make a tub. I feel like it lets your trays swim in a pool of near 100% humid foggy/mist for that "on" period and then when you cut the humidifier it dissipates and allows for some evaporation.
I was following GordoTek as well, 30on/30 off, I ran a little heavier fog than he shows in his video. I had one of those oil filled space heaters in the bathroom because It didnt steal the humidity as much as a ceramic heater would. I kept room temps around 75-80 (max) (Jakeoncid419 suggested running a little warmer temps at pinning stage but I just kept my heater set and didn't mess with being to exact). humidity usually 70% or above (near 100% in the tub area when humidifier was on).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#28149390 - 01/20/23 06:21 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Has anyone been able to replicate jakeoncid419's yields? They're very impressive and it makes the martha appealing due to being able to easily control as well as ramp up and down the humidifying and evaporation cycles.
These clip boxes he uses are only 6 quarts/6 liters so they're very efficient on substrate. He reports an average of 2.75oz dry across 3 flushes, at 95% water weight (I think thats right for pans, correct me if I'm wrong), thats roughly (3) 500 gram wet flushes per tray.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413] 10
#28149447 - 01/20/23 06:47 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Timestop413 said: Has anyone been able to replicate jakeoncid419's yields? They're very impressive and it makes the martha appealing due to being able to easily control as well as ramp up and down the humidifying and evaporation cycles.
These clip boxes he uses are only 6 quarts/6 liters so they're very efficient on substrate. He reports an average of 2.75oz dry across 3 flushes, at 95% water weight (I think thats right for pans, correct me if I'm wrong), thats roughly (3) 500 gram wet flushes per tray.
those numbers gotta be wrong.
my trays are 8qt capacity but i only use 1.25qt spawn and 4.25qt substrate (5.5qt total)
my BEST trays that are full canopies with big meaty fruits will yield about 30g dry on the first flush (or ~500g wet), then 6g dry on the 2nd flush, 3-5g dry on the 3rd flush. first flushes are always the best with pans. the next few flushes have smaller and smaller fruits and fewer fruits.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28149463 - 01/20/23 07:00 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28149487 - 01/20/23 07:31 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Timestop413 said: Has anyone been able to replicate jakeoncid419's yields? They're very impressive and it makes the martha appealing due to being able to easily control as well as ramp up and down the humidifying and evaporation cycles.
These clip boxes he uses are only 6 quarts/6 liters so they're very efficient on substrate. He reports an average of 2.75oz dry across 3 flushes, at 95% water weight (I think thats right for pans, correct me if I'm wrong), thats roughly (3) 500 gram wet flushes per tray.
those numbers gotta be wrong.
my trays are 8qt capacity but i only use 1.25qt spawn and 4.25qt substrate (5.5qt total)
my BEST trays that are full canopies with big meaty fruits will yield about 30g dry on the first flush (or ~500g wet), then 6g dry on the 2nd flush, 3-5g dry on the 3rd flush. first flushes are always the best with pans. the next few flushes have smaller and smaller fruits and fewer fruits.

Ok, I thought the numbers may have been off but didn't really know what is possible. That has been my experience as well. Heaviest yield from 1st flush, and then 2nd/3rd much much lower.
Amazing flushes by the way Fried Egg, love to see those pics!!
Is that white/fluff between the liner and the mushrooms mycelium? What variety is that?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413] 3
#28149759 - 01/20/23 11:39 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Timestop413 said: Has anyone been able to replicate jakeoncid419's yields? They're very impressive and it makes the martha appealing due to being able to easily control as well as ramp up and down the humidifying and evaporation cycles.
These clip boxes he uses are only 6 quarts/6 liters so they're very efficient on substrate. He reports an average of 2.75oz dry across 3 flushes, at 95% water weight (I think thats right for pans, correct me if I'm wrong), thats roughly (3) 500 gram wet flushes per tray.
This is my best one of Brooksville:
 
800g wet first flush
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#28149761 - 01/20/23 11:41 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Ok, I thought the numbers may have been off but didn't really know what is possible. That has been my experience as well. Heaviest yield from 1st flush, and then 2nd/3rd much much lower.
Amazing flushes by the way Fried Egg, love to see those pics!!
Is that white/fluff between the liner and the mushrooms mycelium? What variety is that?
thanks yeah that's mycelium puffing up. that's jambo. it tends to do that more than others it seems.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28149771 - 01/20/23 11:51 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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ekabpils said: This is my best one of Brooksville:
 
800g wet first flush
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FriedEgg said: my trays are 8qt capacity but i only use 1.25qt spawn and 4.25qt substrate (5.5qt total)
my BEST trays that are full canopies with big meaty fruits will yield about 30g dry on the first flush (or ~500g wet), then 6g dry on the 2nd flush, 3-5g dry on the 3rd flush. first flushes are always the best with pans. the next few flushes have smaller and smaller fruits and fewer fruits.

Amazing yields you guys. What interests me is how much spawn is in one of those trays/tubs.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils]
#28149789 - 01/21/23 12:02 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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ekabpils said: This is my best one of Brooksville:
 
800g wet first flush
damn, how tall are those?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28149800 - 01/21/23 12:13 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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ekabpils said: This is my best one of Brooksville:
 
800g wet first flush
damn, how tall are those?
15-17 cm
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils]
#28149806 - 01/21/23 12:17 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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does that variety always grow tall? or is it certain fruiting conditions that does it for you?
and what is brooksville anyway? a pan cyan variety?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28149819 - 01/21/23 12:24 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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ekabpils said: This is my best one of Brooksville:
 
800g wet first flush
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FriedEgg said: my trays are 8qt capacity but i only use 1.25qt spawn and 4.25qt substrate (5.5qt total)
my BEST trays that are full canopies with big meaty fruits will yield about 30g dry on the first flush (or ~500g wet), then 6g dry on the 2nd flush, 3-5g dry on the 3rd flush. first flushes are always the best with pans. the next few flushes have smaller and smaller fruits and fewer fruits.

Amazing yields you guys. What interests me is how much spawn is in one of those trays/tubs.
The substrate block is 50 x 30 x 6 cm
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28149831 - 01/21/23 12:28 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Amazing yields you guys. What interests me is how much spawn is in one of those trays/tubs.
is it more or less than you expected?
i use full size food pans. they are 2.5" depth. very heavy duty and stackable. food pans are standardized containers that are used in the food industry. you can buy lids and even liners that fit the trays too. they come in plastic and disposable aluminum.
the full size pans are very similar to ekabpils's size container.
https://www.amazon.com/Carlisle-10200B03-StorPlus-Polycarbonate-Black/dp/B007P1U4W6
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28149874 - 01/21/23 12:40 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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FriedEgg said: does that variety always grow tall? or is it certain fruiting conditions that does it for you?
and what is brooksville anyway? a pan cyan variety?
Yes - brooksville is pan cyan variety.
"Coming from the historic Florida town Brooksville, Panaeolus Cyanescens Brooksville is another unique domestication by the pan-man Jake Oncid."
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils]
#28149884 - 01/21/23 12:46 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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So, how much grain is in one of those trays or tubs???
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28149890 - 01/21/23 12:51 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: So, how much grain is in one of those trays or tubs???
in mine, 1.25qt spawn in that tray in the photo
the tray has a capacity of 8 qt. i only fill it up 5.5qt to leave room for a casing layer and the lid.
1.25qt spawn, 4.25qt substrate
so about a 1:3.5 ratio
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