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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28121786 - 01/02/23 07:53 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Anyone doing anything to heat just the greenhouse instead of the whole room? My grow space is cold for pans and running a space heater is gonna be pricy. Maybe I need to build a dedicated insulated closet to keep the greenhouse in?




I use the heating element from an non subscribing vendor. It's just a ceramic heating element plugged into a lightbulb socket which heats a trays of water logged lava rocks. Works really well, but I have found that I don't really need to use it often because my room temps work for everything I grow.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cooleko]
    #28121857 - 01/02/23 09:22 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Anyone doing anything to heat just the greenhouse instead of the whole room? My grow space is cold for pans and running a space heater is gonna be pricy. Maybe I need to build a dedicated insulated closet to keep the greenhouse in?




I use the heating element from an non subscribing vendor. It's just a ceramic heating element plugged into a lightbulb socket which heats a trays of water logged lava rocks. Works really well, but I have found that I don't really need to use it often because my room temps work for everything I grow.




I use a closet that has a door and portable heater.. like to keep my stuff about 80


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28121894 - 01/02/23 09:58 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Anyone doing anything to heat just the greenhouse instead of the whole room? My grow space is cold for pans and running a space heater is gonna be pricy. Maybe I need to build a dedicated insulated closet to keep the greenhouse in?



heat lamp for reptiles. it works fine :thumbup: connect it up to an inkbird temperature controller and it will go on/off as needed. it helps to have a way to circulate the air in your tent though. for instance, a small fan pointed at the heat bulb. obviously take precautions, put it on a wire shelf so it's not sitting in a pool of water. and get a GFCI outlet so you don't have to worry about getting electrocuted.

you guys are crazy for trying to heat the whole room :shrug:

150 watt ceramic heating bulb:
https://www.amazon.com/Simple-Deluxe-Infrared-Amphibian-Incubating/dp/B07KLZCDQH/

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https://www.amazon.com/Flukers-Repta-Clamp-Lamp-Switch-Reptiles/dp/B0002DHODG/


inkbird:
https://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Max-1200W-Temperature-Controller-Greenhouse/dp/B01HXM5UAC/

gfci outlet:
https://www.amazon.com/Indicator-Tamper-Resistant-Weather-Resistant-Receptacle/dp/B08N5HJ337


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #28121899 - 01/02/23 10:03 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

Can these heat lamps handle the humidity?

I do have a couple of heat lamps and an inkbird…


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28121903 - 01/02/23 10:05 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Can these heat lamps handle the humidity?

I do have a couple of heat lamps and an inkbird…



of course they can. they are hot enough to quickly evaporate off any moisture that happens to land on them. i and many others use them just fine. but i still use a GFCI outlet just in case.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #28121906 - 01/02/23 10:11 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Can these heat lamps handle the humidity?

I do have a couple of heat lamps and an inkbird…



of course they can. they are hot enough to quickly evaporate off any moisture that happens to land on them. i and many others use them just fine. but i still use a GFCI outlet just in case.




The room I grow in is all GFCI circuits. I guess I’ll try heating the greenhouse vs the room and see how it goes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28121909 - 01/02/23 10:14 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

:thumbup: you'll thank me later


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28121910 - 01/02/23 10:17 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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The room I grow in is all GFCI circuits. I guess I’ll try heating the greenhouse vs the room and see how it goes.





for anyone else reading this who doesn't have a GFCI outlet and doesn't know how to install one, usually electrical circuits for bathrooms are on GFCI circuits. i think it's electrical code in the USA, but I'm not sure.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Guerrilla] * 2
    #28122233 - 01/03/23 08:02 AM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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While on the subject of tents, I bought a setup a while back and never went through with it because I had nowhere to vent out the excess water vapour, spores etc.

Any ideas?

I'm literally clearing out a closet rn and it would be a good spot for it minus the outlet issue.

I thought about venting into a bucket with some kind of filtering but I'm not sure how viable it'd be (filter getting clogged etc). This was when I was planning on using it for gourmets with heavy sporeload, hence the filter idea.



I fruit in a cupboard under the stairs. Have an 8” fan pointing away from my tubs that come on for 5 mins every hour. Other than that Pans are just fine in a mono. EZ Dial is what I use. I would like to start fruiting LM though so maybe a tent is in order!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] * 7
    #28122365 - 01/03/23 09:55 AM (1 year, 26 days ago)

This is a new record. From casing to fruit, under 24 hours. I saw no evidence of pinning when I applied the casing yesterday - only a thick overlay of mycelium. This is BVI. This consolidated 4 days before I cased it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
    #28122369 - 01/03/23 09:57 AM (1 year, 26 days ago)

From another thread:

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jcm4620 said:
cambos and cyans grow exactly the same and potency is the same accross the species blm if u ask me. im my oponion genetics play the biggest role in potency cuz ive had cambos that r stronger than cyans at times and other times ive had cyans more potent than cambos. genetics,environment,fruit size and really everything else that contributes to the overall health of the fruits is what determines potency. most of the time the differences can only be seen on a macro and microscopic level. however some of us can indeed tell the difference at times and at other times you cant. just pick a cyan or a cambo and start from there but make sure u get a print and not a syringe.




So why is a print recommended over syringe? Is this a pan specific recommendation? I have had very good results going from syringe to agar. Much more success than working with prints. But that has been cubes and nats. I haven’t tried pans yet.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 3
    #28122507 - 01/03/23 11:40 AM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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This is a new record. From casing to fruit, under 24 hours. I saw no evidence of pinning when I applied the casing yesterday - only a thick overlay of mycelium. This is BVI. This consolidated 4 days before I cased it.






Nice, what variety is this? I bet you that this would have pinned even without the casing. What I see with the uncased experiments is that the ovela is like a tent and the pins are forming underneath it and breaking though suddenly. Only where the overlay is a bit thinner you can spot them here and there.




What I think so far is that a casing layer is not strictly important for pinning but when applied and the mycelium has some time to grow into the casing the mycelium has an easier time to adsorb surface water/moisture from the casing due to a greater surface area from poking all it's "finger" into the casing and fruits are growing bigger. Uncased areas are matting down quickly and seem to take up water less readily.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #28122522 - 01/03/23 11:46 AM (1 year, 26 days ago)

This is BVI Baba, and I bet that you are right. Admittedly, I did not look very closely at the surface overlay before I applied the casing. I mean I glanced at it quickly but nothing jumped out at me and I was in a rush to add the casing. These are all in shoeboxes and I have found they don't really ever fruit pans - not enough FAE.... at least in my experience, so some of the pin triggering could have been from my moving the tray into the tent (which I did right after casing).

That side-by-side picture of casing vs uncased is badass and very revealing!!! I am going to do something like that very soon, only with two different casing recipes (one that has an 8.5pH and another that has a pH closer to 10 which I know is outside the normally acceptable range but I have a strong hunch that it works great and prevents casing overlay).


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #28122562 - 01/03/23 12:05 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

Nice, looking forward to hear about your findings Hindsight. I think I heard this being mentioned not too long ago. Have you discussed this recently in here or in the Nat thread?


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From another thread:

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jcm4620 said:
cambos and cyans grow exactly the same and potency is the same accross the species blm if u ask me. im my oponion genetics play the biggest role in potency cuz ive had cambos that r stronger than cyans at times and other times ive had cyans more potent than cambos. genetics,environment,fruit size and really everything else that contributes to the overall health of the fruits is what determines potency. most of the time the differences can only be seen on a macro and microscopic level. however some of us can indeed tell the difference at times and at other times you cant. just pick a cyan or a cambo and start from there but make sure u get a print and not a syringe.




So why is a print recommended over syringe? Is this a pan specific recommendation? I have had very good results going from syringe to agar. Much more success than working with prints. But that has been cubes and nats. I haven’t tried pans yet.





There are a lot of posts in this thread where people have had problems to get pan spores to germinate on agar and the majority were using syringes.  It doesn't sound logical but the number of cases is quite high. I think that germinating on PF-Tek pucks might mitigate the issue.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 3
    #28122570 - 01/03/23 12:12 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

Those weird fruits are continuing to grow. I was convinced they were oysters for a while and now I'm not sure anymore. Any more thoughts now that they're larger?





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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushroom_gnome]
    #28122589 - 01/03/23 12:25 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

Still looking untypical for pans but I wouldn't cross them from the list, certainly no oysters. They are looking cool though. Got anything else exotic in the making like mexicana? What variety is this suppose to be again, bisp?

Since you have two cakes doing the same I would try keeping one of them a bit wetter.

Anyway, maybe it is just conditions. Can't remember if you mentioned already how you are fruiting them.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushroom_gnome]
    #28122594 - 01/03/23 12:28 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Those weird fruits are continuing to grow. I was convinced they were oysters for a while and now I'm not sure anymore. Any more thoughts now that they're larger?








Wow that's not oysters but it looks VERY cool! Definitely keep them, increase FAE and let them grow! And for the love of God, don't discard the culture please. I'm dying to know what it actually is!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #28122599 - 01/03/23 12:30 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Still looking untypical for pans but I wouldn't cross them from the list, certainly no oysters. Got anything else exotic in the making like mexicana? What variety is this suppose to be again, bisp?

Since you have two cakes doing the same I would try keeping one of them a bit wetter.

Anyway, maybe it is just conditions. Can't remember if you mentioned already how you are fruiting them.




They are more or less mac's pan-cakes fruiting directly from 1/2 pint jars with some slight modifications. I've got about 8 of these jars all showing the same type of growth- I'm even trying one uncased that's pinning too just to see and that one looks crazy. I've been assuming they were a Cambo culture. I've got nothing else exotic growing, so if not oyster they've got to be the pans, unless the original print was mislabeled.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #28122601 - 01/03/23 12:31 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Those weird fruits are continuing to grow. I was convinced they were oysters for a while and now I'm not sure anymore. Any more thoughts now that they're larger?









Wow that's not oysters but it looks VERY cool! Definitely keep them, increase FAE and let them grow! And for the love of God, don't discard the culture please. I'm dying to know what it actually is!




I actually did dump the LC I had when I was sure it was oyster, haha. I do have another jar of it on grain at the moment, so I'm sure I can get a piece of mycelium off that to start the culture up again if need be. Plus I'll clone and print of course if that's possible.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #28122603 - 01/03/23 12:32 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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Nice, looking forward to hear about your findings Hindsight. I think I heard this being mentioned not too long ago. Have you discussed this recently in here or in the Nat thread?





Yeah I think it was in here actually. Fahtster uses 2tsp per quart of casing and I use 1Tbsp (3tsp) per quart. I  measured his receipt as around 8.5ph IIRC and mine was more like 9.5. I should be doing the side by side test once I can get some Melmak trays ready to pin which should be within another 2 weeks - they are colonizing now, slow AF as usual. I should try the test on pans too.


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