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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28116438 - 12/29/22 03:15 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Adas said: Nothing beats a passive tub with standing water and holes I really can't see how the JCM setup could be better, considering my success with Bisporus.
Can you show me a pic? 
Edit: I was also thinking a Marta, because I would like to grow some medicinal mushrooms like Raishi and Lionsmane. Or can that be done in a tub aswell?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps] 2
#28116440 - 12/29/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The exact description is in my journal Bisporus post. Ofc a tub will work amazing for other mushrooms as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 7
#28116494 - 12/29/22 04:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The three novelty grows I did were basically done the same way as you grew your bisp.
Container with water in the bottom and a baggy with a few holes on top.

Worked great for the three different pans I did. Jambo, Nec-D and Wild Coast
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28116627 - 12/29/22 06:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: The three novelty grows I did were basically done the same way as you grew your bisp.
Container with water in the bottom and a baggy with a few holes on top.

Worked great for the three different pans I did. Jambo, Nec-D and Wild Coast

I love that photo of them on the plate in the sardine tin. So rad!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps] 3
#28116721 - 12/29/22 07:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Shrimps said: hmm... QQ: how much is like the average cost for a Martha Set-up? Not sure if I should make a JCM anymore xD Also want to grow Reishi and Lions Mane at some point and I think they would definitly benefit more from a Martha 
Think making a JCM with Airpumps, heater, maybe even try a filter for better waterquality. Kinda think those costs come close to the costs of a Martha setup ^^
A Martha is going to run you $175 for bare-bones minimum. That's just for a fogger ($99) and the tent ($75) or so. Can get the tent a tad cheaper but it's splitting hairs. That's also without a vent fan - you can probably get away without one depending on if you put the tent in an area that can handle the humidity that will bleed out of the tent and into your room. By "handle" I mean get rid of it so your room doesn't become 80% humid. Vent fan is just a bathroom fan and you can get that for $30 to $70 - I go with a $70 one because it's silent. This assumes you already have a bucket with a lid you can use for your reservoir, and some sort of pan you can put the tent on that will catch the water (I use a washing machine pan). Then you will need some 4" hose and hose flanges - that might run you another $30 or so. If you want an automatic top-off system for your bucket, that's another ~$100. Oh and if you don't have a cycle timer you will definitely need one of those for the fogger which run $16.
I don't know anything about growing Reishi but I believe Lion's Mane needs cold temps for pin initiation. Pans like high 70's into low 80's, but can withstand much colder temps though that won't produce the most ideal growth. I think Lion's mane needs 50-60F to pin. I think it can grow much hotter though.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#28116908 - 12/29/22 10:04 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Hindsight said:
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Shrimps said: hmm... QQ: how much is like the average cost for a Martha Set-up? Not sure if I should make a JCM anymore xD Also want to grow Reishi and Lions Mane at some point and I think they would definitly benefit more from a Martha 
Think making a JCM with Airpumps, heater, maybe even try a filter for better waterquality. Kinda think those costs come close to the costs of a Martha setup ^^
A Martha is going to run you $175 for bare-bones minimum. That's just for a fogger ($99) and the tent ($75) or so. Can get the tent a tad cheaper but it's splitting hairs. That's also without a vent fan - you can probably get away without one depending on if you put the tent in an area that can handle the humidity that will bleed out of the tent and into your room. By "handle" I mean get rid of it so your room doesn't become 80% humid. Vent fan is just a bathroom fan and you can get that for $30 to $70 - I go with a $70 one because it's silent. This assumes you already have a bucket with a lid you can use for your reservoir, and some sort of pan you can put the tent on that will catch the water (I use a washing machine pan). Then you will need some 4" hose and hose flanges - that might run you another $30 or so. If you want an automatic top-off system for your bucket, that's another ~$100. Oh and if you don't have a cycle timer you will definitely need one of those for the fogger which run $16.
I don't know anything about growing Reishi but I believe Lion's Mane needs cold temps for pin initiation. Pans like high 70's into low 80's, but can withstand much colder temps though that won't produce the most ideal growth. I think Lion's mane needs 50-60F to pin. I think it can grow much hotter though.
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I donβt know what youβre thinking but thatβs all he needsβ¦75.00 you donβt need fans heaters anything extra
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 99.99] 2
#28116987 - 12/30/22 12:22 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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I'm glad that setup works for you, but I can't imagine running my growtent without an exhaust fan on a timer, and some internal circulation to mix the air. Speed controllers on the fans add another opportunity to fine tune and dial things. That setup that Hindsight runs is slick, and I'd run it all day every day.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: elpico] 6
#28116994 - 12/30/22 12:37 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Estero EZ Dial. Spawn was kept in the fridge for 2 months while I had other projects. They donβt seem to bothered about it! This is MS
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
#28117303 - 12/30/22 09:56 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Crazy! 2 months is a long time for a tropical Pan myc to be in the cold! Great pinset!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28117328 - 12/30/22 10:35 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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I have two problems I need help with. First is that I noticed my pan cyan Bisporus trays on the higher shelf of my Martha were growing much faster than the rest of my trays, so I put a healthy tray that was almost ready to harvest on the bottom and all my caps went from an almost translucent moist brown to a pale sickly white... is this normal? I put pictures below
 
This morning they lost that nice brown and all turned pale... why did this happen? They donβt look as healthy

Also, i am having trouble keeping my casing moist after I see pins, especially on my bottom shelf. I have the rh between 85 and 95 RH and a timer that cycles 2 minutes of fresh air every 10 minutes... it doesnβt always kick on at the same time as my humidifier... for some reason the humidity will go up aometimes as it draws fresh air in...
Please help, thank you
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#28117330 - 12/30/22 10:38 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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As I mentioned before- ive had LC that lasted about 4 months in the fridge and was super vigorous when put to a plate, and a different LC culture that was pretty unresponsive after 1.5 months in the fridge.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: KingCloyster] 3
#28117337 - 12/30/22 10:43 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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I find caps bleaching lighter than normal is usually due to dry conditions in the tent. Your pics look dry to me - both the fruits and the casing. You mention you're having trouble keeping the casing moist after seeing pins - that confirms you aren't getting enough moisture into the tent.
I set my tent cycles almost exclusively based on casing moisture. I have a lot of info on cycles here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27993602
It's very important to try to stick with the same total cycle time, and hopefully also the same vent time, and then only adjust your humidity time. It's too hard to narrow in on the exact cycles you need if you change more than one thing at a time. 85% RH for your dry rest cycle is great - that's what I get too. So you need to dump more moisture into the tent to keep the casing moisture ideal. I have found if you keep the casing moisture ideal, your fruits will also be happy. It seems like you have your intake fan and your humidifier on separate cycles/systems/timers/controllers. I am not going to say you shouldn't do that, but it is just more variables you have to juggle. The way I have it, the intake fan kicks on when the fogger runs. Fogger runs for 2 - 3 mins, then the vent fan immediately runs for 1 min, then the tent rests for like 9 or 10 mins or something like that I forget. The only thing I adjust is the duration of the fog cycle.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#28117338 - 12/30/22 10:43 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Hindsight said:
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Shrimps said: hmm... QQ: how much is like the average cost for a Martha Set-up? Not sure if I should make a JCM anymore xD Also want to grow Reishi and Lions Mane at some point and I think they would definitly benefit more from a Martha 
Think making a JCM with Airpumps, heater, maybe even try a filter for better waterquality. Kinda think those costs come close to the costs of a Martha setup ^^
A Martha is going to run you $175 for bare-bones minimum. That's just for a fogger ($99) and the tent ($75) or so. Can get the tent a tad cheaper but it's splitting hairs. That's also without a vent fan - you can probably get away without one depending on if you put the tent in an area that can handle the humidity that will bleed out of the tent and into your room. By "handle" I mean get rid of it so your room doesn't become 80% humid. Vent fan is just a bathroom fan and you can get that for $30 to $70 - I go with a $70 one because it's silent. This assumes you already have a bucket with a lid you can use for your reservoir, and some sort of pan you can put the tent on that will catch the water (I use a washing machine pan). Then you will need some 4" hose and hose flanges - that might run you another $30 or so. If you want an automatic top-off system for your bucket, that's another ~$100. Oh and if you don't have a cycle timer you will definitely need one of those for the fogger which run $16.
I don't know anything about growing Reishi but I believe Lion's Mane needs cold temps for pin initiation. Pans like high 70's into low 80's, but can withstand much colder temps though that won't produce the most ideal growth. I think Lion's mane needs 50-60F to pin. I think it can grow much hotter though.
Thanks man! And thanks 99.99 for your replys <3
I will defenitly build one in the new apartement and also first have to find some Lions Mane and Reishi genetics... But until then, I will just run watertubs for the pans, later going to attempt then again with Mono's.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: elpico]
#28117341 - 12/30/22 10:46 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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elpico said: I'm glad that setup works for you, but I can't imagine running my growtent without an exhaust fan on a timer, and some internal circulation to mix the air. Speed controllers on the fans add another opportunity to fine tune and dial things. That setup that Hindsight runs is slick, and I'd run it all day every day.
Do you need disco lights in your system to lol may be a camera to watch it growπ€£
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: KingCloyster] 1
#28117353 - 12/30/22 10:58 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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They look alright. If you look into my journal, Bisporus tends to get pure white when slightly dry. However, even at this stage they are perfectly fine, I think I even prefer it this way because there's less water weight.
So, unless the caps are cracking or growth stops, the conditions are good. Might need to mist after each flush but that's no biggie.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 7
#28117366 - 12/30/22 11:12 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Not to derail but to add to shrimps inquiry, reishi are perfectly happy growing in bags at 65-70F.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado] 2
#28117370 - 12/30/22 11:16 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Awesome! That's great, thanks for the info! Still, I want one anyway so I can be in the cool-kids-club because I like to build stuff
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Edited by Shrimps (12/30/22 11:16 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps] 2
#28117382 - 12/30/22 11:24 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Oh yeah, build a tent for sure!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado] 6
#28117414 - 12/30/22 12:03 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Quick update on the Estero tub. Seem to be looking quite happy! A few decent clusters popping up and plenty of clone candidates.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] 1
#28117477 - 12/30/22 12:44 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Bad ass MycoCO!
That is going to be real nice MycHunt!
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