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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 6
#28115006 - 12/28/22 11:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Don't know if you dudes saw it, but the BVI samples submitted to the latest Cultivar Cup were the winners at #1 and #2. There was an Azurescens sample that came in 3rd.
As far as testing goes, pan cyans sits at the top as the most potent mushroom and it looks like the conventional stuff said about some of the other species is just wrong.
Curious what you guys think. Especially those that have done 2g+ doses of cyans.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] 1
#28115043 - 12/28/22 11:55 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] 2
#28115048 - 12/28/22 11:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hey stranger! Yeah those test results made the rounds here a month ago or so. I gave BVI to a couple friends and trip-sat them earlier this year. 2g hit them really hard and they couldn't really see for a while - couldn't comprehend the lights and shapes their eyes were receiving. It was really intense for a while. The same friends have told me the Semps I gave them are much more powerful though. VL mentioned that the same guys are going to be testing Semps soon so we will see how they compare.
I do wonder how much genetic variability there is.... and one aspect of the test was that this was by weight and BVI seem to not produce much fiber and weight which impacts the potency. I also wonder about all the other compounds in the fruit that effect many aspects of the trip - like is it edgy or euphoric? Large geometric shapes or small ones? Body load or mostly head? That was another big difference between BVI and Semps. BVI seemed a lot more edgy to them.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] 2
#28115050 - 12/28/22 11:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Azzies are potent, but not close to Pans. I bet there are at least 10 species between the BVI and Azzies in terms of potency.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 3
#28115064 - 12/28/22 12:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I just checked, and there has been a recent update since the announcement last month:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-world-record-74190322
Dec 24, 2022 UPDATE: I have discovered that these test results were unreliable due to reasons described in both an update below as well as in a newer post here [I added this link at the bottom - RUA] (I will never be too proud to issue a correction! There is still relative value in these results, the order of potency in this chart is accurate, and in fact the TTBVI strain has since been confirmed to be the most potent cultivar in the known world after winning the December 2022 Cultivar Cup, but the actual grand totals in the above chart are skewed high and should not be relied upon. This is how science should work, it is self correcting.)
UPDATES:
ERG is ergosterol, it's not psychoactive. For what its worth, I didn't even think a "grand total" adding everything up number should be in the report, and certainly not in the biggest font, that confused some people. But from the lab perspective, they are trying to identify EVERYTHING in the mushroom so the goal is to get to 100%. The only number that matters as far as potency goes is the psilocybin equivalent. There is some question about the minor alkaloids like norbaeocystin (bisporus was relatively high in that), we don't even know if those are psychoactive yet but they could be, there is active ongoing research for these compounds.
In further testing by Doma on BVI using his second HPLC machine and fresh standards, the grand total was lower than the original test. This is how science should work, it is self correcting and we will continue to do more work to ensure the numbers are accurate. No single test can be relied upon as absolute truth. Neither Doma or myself are too proud to post a correction if we have to, its important to be honest and accurate when it comes to all things science. The sample though had already aged more than a month for this second round of testing and Doma also used a shortened extraction procedure both of which could have lowered the result, and even then it was still more potent than any other mushroom Doma has tested (including Estero) so I can't make a conclusion yet. I plan to do a new round of testing soon, will send fresh samples simultaneously to multiple labs for analysis. I will post a follow up with the results of that. A possible reason for the higher readings in the original test could be due to using older standards, this is always a challenge with any lab honestly, because the standards are relatively expensive most labs are only going to buy them a few times a year, psilocybin is very stable but psilocin is less stable. Doma buys new standards before his Cultivar Cup but I caught him at an "in-between" time well after the last Cup but also a couple months before the new Cup. He has since purchased new standards in preparation for the December Cup. I hope to be able to submit a fresh sample for the December Cup and that should give us the most precise test results so far, and when combined with a second independent lab test we will have full assurances of the results if confirmed.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: JHOVA] 4
#28115070 - 12/28/22 12:15 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Also, it looks like there are going to be some more labs coming online so we will get even more verification. From what I understand, all the testing methods are being shared so I think we are in for some exciting times.
Good observation about the semps, too. I had the same situation. Shaman friend who tried both the pans and the semps. They liked the semps better. Pans can be quite hardcore for sure.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28115177 - 12/28/22 02:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ruawakeyet said:Moopers, I agree with FriedEgg. That looked a little dry to me, so you might try changing up the fogger cycle. I think the GordoTek is a good starting point for that style of growing, but it might need to be dialed in for your particular conditions. If your timer allows it, I would try 45 min. on / 15 min. off and go from there.
Today, the grow was showing signs of pseudomonas and vert contam on a couple fruits: dark brown/rotting spots on caps and peeling/bending stems. I'm pretty sure it's too wet, not too dry. The casing is nicely moist to the touch, and there are little beads of water on the myc poking through the casing. There are 8-10 new pins and some additional primordia, and they're all (but 2) around the edges, where it's slightly drier.
I picked all the fruits and put a shoebox under the tray to raise it a bit to get more fresh air, and I've turned the humidifier output down by half for now.
I do appreciate the advice, and if my instinct is wrong, I will make wetter conditions. Unfortunately, my timer only works in 30 min intervals, so 60 on and 30 off is the next wettest setting.
I did take some prints the other day from the unaffected JCM grow (in another room), so I will have a few to trade when they're dry, if anyone is interested in growing Weza South Africa. I bought my print from a vendor but suspect it's from zifozonke originally, as he was the source of some other South African prints for that (now defunct) shop.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers]
#28115266 - 12/28/22 03:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ruawakeyet said:Moopers, I agree with FriedEgg. That looked a little dry to me, so you might try changing up the fogger cycle. I think the GordoTek is a good starting point for that style of growing, but it might need to be dialed in for your particular conditions. If your timer allows it, I would try 45 min. on / 15 min. off and go from there.
Today, the grow was showing signs of pseudomonas and vert contam on a couple fruits: dark brown/rotting spots on caps and peeling/bending stems. I'm pretty sure it's too wet, not too dry. The casing is nicely moist to the touch, and there are little beads of water on the myc poking through the casing. There are 8-10 new pins and some additional primordia, and they're all (but 2) around the edges, where it's slightly drier.
I picked all the fruits and put a shoebox under the tray to raise it a bit to get more fresh air, and I've turned the humidifier output down by half for now.
I do appreciate the advice, and if my instinct is wrong, I will make wetter conditions. Unfortunately, my timer only works in 30 min intervals, so 60 on and 30 off is the next wettest setting.
I did take some prints the other day from the unaffected JCM grow (in another room), so I will have a few to trade when they're dry, if anyone is interested in growing Weza South Africa. I bought my print from a vendor but suspect it's from zifozonke originally, as he was the source of some other South African prints for that (now defunct) shop.
yeah it's hard for anyone to tell from photos. you're there in person so you're always going to know better than what we can see. but my guess says is that you need more evaporation. and to get more evaporation, you need larger and more dramatic swings of wet/dry cycles (or more heat!). 
also here is a timer that will do any interval you'd like. it can work in seconds or minutes+hours. https://www.amazon.com/Multifunctional-Infinite-Programmable-Appliances-Energy-Saving/dp/B01G6O28NA/
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 1
#28115750 - 12/28/22 09:13 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I went out of town during this bomb cyclone for Christmas yesterday for 24 hours. To regulate temp I put a space heater on an ink bird temp controller. Well, my dumbass forgot to unplug the other heater in the room and temps were at 87 in my Martha when I got home and 97 % rH. My beautiful pans that were looking promising are a bit more shriveled today from the heat ans the casing looks parched.
Do you think I should just cut the mushrooms down and heavy mist the casing and hope for better on the next flush?
Do you think I fried my pans enough to ruin the trays if it maintained 87 F for 12 hours?

that's exacty what i would do but instead of a heavy mist i would pour water onto the sub, let it sit for 20 minutes, and then pour the excess water off, and then put it back into your fruiting chamber.
no, i really doubt 87 killed them. their natural environment is in that temperature range anyway.
I did what you suggested and rehydrated my dried up casing with a quick soak. Great advice. I was really worried it would abort everything but some of the really small pins kept going and no more than 24 hours later my trays were exploding with pins again, and even better than the first time. I learned to keep my casings hydrated well up until I see pins now from this experience.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: KingCloyster]
#28115785 - 12/28/22 09:55 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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that's great news, i'm glad i could help
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 6
#28115929 - 12/29/22 02:26 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Here is the garage grow, JCM style. 
And the biggest of the fruit with vert contam. Wet, the cap was bigger than a quarter. You can see the peeling/deformation.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers]
#28116034 - 12/29/22 07:05 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nice looking tub Moopers!
I tried a JCM for a week or two while I was rebuilding my tent and grow closet after the gnat infestation. I had two big pumps and four air stones but I noticed the water started smelling moldy after just like 4 or 5 days. Due to the annoying air tubing I was using and the fact that the longer bubble wands I bought weren't putting out bubbles over the full length of the stone, there were some areas of water that weren't getting bubbles so maybe that was it? I have my new tent setup now though so I put the JCM in storage for another day.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28116221 - 12/29/22 10:57 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I tried a JCM for a week or two while I was rebuilding my tent and grow closet after the gnat infestation. I had two big pumps and four air stones but I noticed the water started smelling moldy after just like 4 or 5 days. Due to the annoying air tubing I was using and the fact that the longer bubble wands I bought weren't putting out bubbles over the full length of the stone, there were some areas of water that weren't getting bubbles so maybe that was it? I have my new tent setup now though so I put the JCM in storage for another day.
that's the problem with JCM chambers (and hydro foggers too). i don't think it would be any better even if you had 100 air stones in there. at the end of the day, it's still just a standing tub of water.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28116223 - 12/29/22 11:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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And what would be if you added h202 for a 0.3% h202 solution in the water? Or just add an aquarium waterfilter. Those can be bought for a couple of bucks. (Just brainstorming here for later projects^^)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps]
#28116228 - 12/29/22 11:05 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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yeah i've heard that suggestion before. i thought about that but never got around to trying it. maybe it would slow it down but i don't think it's going to stop it. you're still going to have to empty it out and clean it every so often.
edit: i never thoght of an aquarium filter. i dont know. they don't filter bacteria do they? just large sediment
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28116267 - 12/29/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I tried peroxide but it didnβt seem to have any effect. Strange thing is, JCM himself said he left the water in there for like 4+ months at a time - just topping off to replace evaporation. Not sure how he got away with that but Iβm sure thereβs a way. Filter might work depending on how many microns it filters down to - though I could see molds growing on the filter itself.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#28116273 - 12/29/22 12:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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hmm... QQ: how much is like the average cost for a Martha Set-up? Not sure if I should make a JCM anymore xD Also want to grow Reishi and Lions Mane at some point and I think they would definitly benefit more from a Martha 
Think making a JCM with Airpumps, heater, maybe even try a filter for better waterquality. Kinda think those costs come close to the costs of a Martha setup ^^
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28116316 - 12/29/22 12:55 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You definitely need a powerful pump to get the air stones to work properly, and even then, you're asking them to do a lot with the long stones JCM recommends. And powerful pumps are $.
I have an issue with the stones getting slimy, but haven't had any major mold issues that weren't from contam in the spawn. I have to empty the JCM and clean it and the air stones between grows. That's typical for aquariums, too, which need regular cleaning. The air stones say to clean them monthly with a toothbrush, because they get clogged.
I have also thought about building something like the JOC pan chamber he no longer uses, which wouldn't cost much more than a JCM.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers]
#28116348 - 12/29/22 01:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I put H2O2 in my water though it is probably just placebo. I use a strong aquarium pump bubbling through a single stone in a half full 1/2 gallon Mason jar. From there into a quart with salt in the bottom then out to shoe boxes/bags/etc. I refill the 1/2 gallon jar with water 1 time then replace the jars/tubing with a freshly cleaned set up. 4+ months would be crazy!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] 3
#28116436 - 12/29/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nothing beats a passive tub with standing water and holes I really can't see how the JCM setup could be better, considering my success with Bisporus.
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