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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: KingCloyster] 1
#28112208 - 12/25/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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KingCloyster said: Merry Christmas!

“OH YEAHHH!”
I went out of town during this bomb cyclone for Christmas yesterday for 24 hours. To regulate temp I put a space heater on an ink bird temp controller. Well, my dumbass forgot to unplug the other heater in the room and temps were at 87 in my Martha when I got home and 97 % rH. My beautiful pans that were looking promising are a bit more shriveled today from the heat ans the casing looks parched.
Do you think I should just cut the mushrooms down and heavy mist the casing and hope for better on the next flush?
Do you think I fried my pans enough to ruin the trays if it maintained 87 F for 12 hours?

that's exacty what i would do but instead of a heavy mist i would pour water onto the sub, let it sit for 20 minutes, and then pour the excess water off, and then put it back into your fruiting chamber.
no, i really doubt 87 killed them. their natural environment is in that temperature range anyway.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28112626 - 12/26/22 06:23 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Were there other holes in the bottle or just the open top? Was this setup also placed in a grow tent or just out in the room?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushroom_gnome] 4
#28112840 - 12/26/22 12:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The whole thing was mainly fruited with a ziplock baggy and the photo was taken when I just started to put the fizzy pop bottle on. The baggy has a few additional holes above the rim. Switched to the bottle cause the mushrooms were getting too big to be taking off and putting back on the baggy without causing damage. I do put 5-6 3mm holes in the bottle as well when using a bottle top like that for fruiting.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28112911 - 12/26/22 01:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: The whole thing was mainly fruited with a ziplock baggy and the photo was taken when I just started to put the fizzy pop bottle on. The baggy has a few additional holes above the rim. Switched to the bottle cause the mushrooms were getting too big to be taking off and putting back on the baggy without causing damage. I do put 5-6 3mm holes in the bottle as well when using a bottle top like that for fruiting.

Thanks. I'm wanting to home in on a low tech method using ziplocks on top of 'pan-cakes'. I've had some luck, but seeing yours gives me more hope. I'm trying to figure out what size holes to use to balance humidity/fea.
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What pans are you growing? If things won't work out then try going back to spores and if you are taking clones then take at least 5-6 different ones and run them all. If you find genetics that will do well in low tech setup then they will not be pick at all IME.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28113199 - 12/26/22 06:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: What pans are you growing? If things won't work out then try going back to spores and if you are taking clones then take at least 5-6 different ones and run them all. If you find genetics that will do well in low tech setup then they will not be pick at all IME.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’ve been doing- trying to find some strains that work well in my environment. I have a clone from an nec-d fruit that I’m feeling hopeful about. I’m running nec-d, Peace River, and Cambo. I have a very vigorous cambo culrure which I just put to sub, so we’ll see. I’ve had the most luck with pancakes and ziplocks so far, so that’s the route I’m pursuing most, but also dabbling with manure/straw sub in small tubs as well.
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how often does everyone mist/water their substrate (by hand) before the first flush? i can sometimes pull some really nice canopies but only if i crank up the evap rate and mist heavily everyday or every other day.
does anyone here pull nice canopies using a set it and forget it method? (no misting or watering in order to get a canopy)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28113407 - 12/26/22 09:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Doing unmodified tubs, I mist heavily in the morning and night from spawn till the the tub has run it’s course. I’ve been running them with large air gaps though so they easily dry out in between mists. My next runs are going to be with heavily reduced fae to try and get them less maintaince necessary, inspirired by babas Unmodded success recently with smaller gaps than I run. I suspect with the right culture you could get them to fruit like cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
#28113529 - 12/26/22 11:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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kirkeng said: Doing unmodified tubs, I mist heavily in the morning and night from spawn till the the tub has run it’s course. I’ve been running them with large air gaps though so they easily dry out in between mists. My next runs are going to be with heavily reduced fae to try and get them less maintaince necessary, inspirired by babas Unmodded success recently with smaller gaps than I run. I suspect with the right culture you could get them to fruit like cubes.
Can't wait to see this happen brother!!! I hope everybody is having a decent week so far!! Happy Tuesday ya filthy panheads!!! 😎✌️
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Scotay]
#28114064 - 12/27/22 01:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Gordotek (lasagna pan in a tub with a humidifier dropping mist 30 min on, 30 off, 21.5C-24C (71F-75F), room is 50-75%RH) of my pan cyan Weza putting out fruits like this. Pencil for scale. Same culture (same LC) is putting out (mostly) normal fruits in a JCM chamber.
Pinset is sparse (13 fruits total since pinning), and all fruits have stems 8mm+.
Is this typical of any fruiting variable being off? Too humid?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers] 1
#28114593 - 12/27/22 10:15 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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it's hard to see the surface so this is just a guess but it looks a bit dry. you should see tiny drops of condensation on the casing surface. a 30 minute on/off schedule sounds strange. most people will do something like 2-5 minutes on, 30 minutes off. so maybe you need a stronger fogger? that way you can drench the tub, then vent it, and then let it dry out slowly over the next 30 minutes, and then repeat the process.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28114595 - 12/27/22 10:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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what is the current strategy to avoid overlay? 50% of my trays look like marshmallows.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28114601 - 12/27/22 10:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Are you allowing ~4 days after 100% bulk colonization before applying casing?
Peat moss / Verm casing?
Are you adding lime to the casing?
Some species such as Jamaican Cambos, (Jambos), are notorious for overlay no matter what you do.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28114619 - 12/27/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Are you allowing ~4 days after 100% bulk colonization before applying casing?
Peat moss / Verm casing?
Are you adding lime to the casing?
Some species such as Jamaican Cambos, (Jambos), are notorious for overlay no matter what you do.
yes (sometimes >4 days), yes peat/verm, and yes lime,
and yes they are jambos 
it seems the only thing that seems to work is to wait until the myc starts colonizing the casing layer and then violently spray it down about 1 inch away from the substrate so it stops colonizing the casing layer.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28114625 - 12/27/22 10:56 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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FriedEgg said: it's hard to see the surface so this is just a guess but it looks a bit dry. you should see tiny drops of condensation on the casing surface. a 30 minute on/off schedule sounds strange. most people will do something like 2-5 minutes on, 30 minutes off. so maybe you need a stronger fogger? that way you can drench the tub, then vent it, and then let it dry out slowly over the next 30 minutes, and then repeat the process.
The casing is moist to the touch. The 30 min on/off cycle is what's specified in the Gordotek writeup for use with a cool mist humidifier, and there are many photos of good results. Most people use a catch tray or a bathtub instead of a mono, so maybe it's that.
I will fiddle with it and see.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28114627 - 12/27/22 11:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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While I have not grown those yet, (plan to someday...), I've seen pictures of lots of grows that still had great pinsets and fruits even with the overlay.
The only Pan I've successfully fruited was the PHV Pan Cyan, and it refused to overlay the casing. Literally not one time did it even try to. I wish I could offer more help.
Moopers, I agree with FriedEgg. That looked a little dry to me, so you might try changing up the fogger cycle. I think the GordoTek is a good starting point for that style of growing, but it might need to be dialed in for your particular conditions. If your timer allows it, I would try 45 min. on / 15 min. off and go from there.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 2
#28114746 - 12/28/22 06:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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kirkeng said: Doing unmodified tubs, I mist heavily in the morning and night from spawn till the the tub has run it’s course. I’ve been running them with large air gaps though so they easily dry out in between mists. My next runs are going to be with heavily reduced fae to try and get them less maintaince necessary, inspirired by babas Unmodded success recently with smaller gaps than I run. I suspect with the right culture you could get them to fruit like cubes.
You can fruit them like cubes. Check out this unmod tub:

Spawned wild coast grains to straw/manure pellets, added a cactus soil/ verm 50/50 mix and fanned and misted occasionally. Temperature was 18C
Edit: sorry forgot to mention why this is relevant seeing many are doing monotubs now. I grew this when I was an absolute beginner and had no clue or equipment at all. This was literally spawn, case with something I mixed roughly (no lime or anything) and wait for fruits (which came out super fat!). So, low tech set and forget like cubes. At the time, I made several streaks on the plate and selected the first clean myc to appear. Maybe the most aggressive, fastest cultures are more likely to thrive in suboptimal conditions?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey] 6
#28114798 - 12/28/22 07:40 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I have found there is a certain amount of lime that will prevent casing colonization and overlay. For me, this has been 1 quart mix of verm/peat at 50/50 ratio, plus 1 level Tablespoon of hydrated lime. So far, with pans, mexicana, semps, and a couple others, I have found no negative impact of using that much lime. It is possible that some cubes might not like it but I am still testing that and the one time I had an issue with aborts could have been 100 other things instead of the casing so take that into consideration. Realistically, I feel that a casing layer should have a pH as high as you can get without negatively impacting fruit growth. The higher the pH, the more resistant your tub will be to contamination that lands in the tub during fruiting stage. It won't fix contams already mixed into your substrate or introduced during spawning, of course, but it will help with contamination that falls in during fruiting. Trich can't germinate in high PH substrates, for example.
On another note, here is a tub of Mystery South Africa almost to 100% colonization. Will case it in 5 or so days and put it into the tent. So happy to have a grow going after dealing with The Great Fungus Gnat Infestation of 2022. I thought it was Phorid Flies but turns out it was fungus gnats. Good riddance.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#28114902 - 12/28/22 09:43 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight said: I have found there is a certain amount of lime that will prevent casing colonization and overlay. For me, this has been 1 quart mix of verm/peat at 50/50 ratio, plus 1 level Tablespoon of hydrated lime. So far, with pans, mexicana, semps, and a couple others, I have found no negative impact of using that much lime. It is possible that some cubes might not like it but I am still testing that and the one time I had an issue with aborts could have been 100 other things instead of the casing so take that into consideration. Realistically, I feel that a casing layer should have a pH as high as you can get without negatively impacting fruit growth. The higher the pH, the more resistant your tub will be to contamination that lands in the tub during fruiting stage. It won't fix contams already mixed into your substrate or introduced during spawning, of course, but it will help with contamination that falls in during fruiting. Trich can't germinate in high PH substrates, for example.
Agree with you here, I do a 1:2 ratio by weight lime:peat, so much more than a tbls. Have never run into overlay with pans or others, nor has it affected cubes the few times I’ve put it on. Though I’m reading this I think I’ll try and dial the lime back a bit and see how that goes. Though, knock on wood, I’ve yet to have any contamination start on the casing with this mix using it for a couple years now. As a side glad to hear the gnats are under control! I’m still traumatized from my infestation a couple years ago..
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 4
#28114915 - 12/28/22 09:53 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks man, it was so awful. I waited too long to deal with it thinking I could just deal with a low-level of the flies but boy was I wrong. I have my grow closet practically sealed now and have many things in place to both trap, monitor, and kill the little fuckers. Haven't seen a single one yet though, and I have a brand new tent and clean everything. It's feels very nice. Now I just have to wait for something to fruit. I have some Pans that are just starting to pin now.
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