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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 1
#28105444 - 12/19/22 11:14 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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FriedEgg said: those spores look purple from the photos. my guess is cubes. but you can try posting in the mushroom identification forum. the people there are pretty good.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3
Thanks, I did a bit ago but no reply yet.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: drex]
#28105447 - 12/19/22 11:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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drex, please post another pic or 2 or 3 in the coming days. Pans should grow to full size more quickly than cubes, so maybe that can help.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#28105454 - 12/19/22 11:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: drex, please post another pic or 2 or 3 in the coming days. Pans should grow to full size more quickly than cubes, so maybe that can help.
Iβll keep an eye on them.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: drex]
#28105462 - 12/19/22 11:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry to say but those are cubes, not the first time that this kind of switchceroo has happened.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28105466 - 12/19/22 11:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Sorry to say but those are cubes, not the first time that this kind of switchceroo has happened.
Thatβs what Iβm thinking as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: drex] 1
#28105685 - 12/20/22 08:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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100% Cubes. Looks like AA+ mini version. Lol.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28105698 - 12/20/22 08:46 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Adas said: 100% Cubes. Looks like AA+ mini version. Lol.
Not sure if this allowed or not, but anyone interested in trading a spore print for some actual Pan. bisporus. My trust is broken π
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 7
#28106808 - 12/21/22 03:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: It's in the works but will take some more time.
Here is another interesting thing which I also posted on the tub thread
Had an unmodified tub which had mites in it from a prepped substrate that was sitting in a bucket for a bit too long.

It was put out on the porch were it sat for 7 days at temperatures between 55F and 72F and humid weather. The lid was put on like this, upside down with just the gaps on the short ends.


This morning I found some pins 8 days after spawn, wasn't cased either. The substrate was done with liquid manure pasteurization.

Update how this finished:
The fruits ended up being plenty but small, most about 2". Also they were a bit deformed which I had happening before with Wild Coast. But it fruited regardless of the mites and temperatures which is pretty sweet. A rough harvest was 81g wet with quite a bit left on the surface.

The compost pile is showing some love as well. Those were growing under the bundles of thick grass I pulled out of the cactus patch. Don't know what these are.

Also spawned some of this really bad looking Jambo jar to a couple of 2 liter bottles to see if there is something growing from this. This is whole barley and it does have a lot of burst kernels which is why I like to see where this goes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28107354 - 12/21/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Pan cyan "Weza S. Africa" pins. Send good juju my way.
Also two pins on my gordo tek grow of the same culture. Nothing yet in the babayaga tub.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28107696 - 12/21/22 05:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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that Second Pic is beautiful YAGA!
I was offline for a few days but looks like there was some talk of the recent advances in Pan cultivation. You're proving that with patience, it is indeed possible to go low -tech and get good results.
I made the call to go with the fancier JCM aquarium style, with all it's pumps and heaters, and now condensating lid issue - and now am looking at your good results with nothing but.... a plastic box .
1 out of 5 varieties of pan's I've tried popped for me with the JCM, the one pictured is that same MYSTERY pan on a mostly Straw Sub ( 70% straw/ 20% steer manure / 10% verm ). Kind of meager, but it's something. -- it's either a Pan Cyanenses - "Peace River" or a Pan combodginiensis "Suphanburi Goliath" please let me know if anyone can determine which of these it may be...

The more I follow this and your other thread, the more it seems like just trial and error with different genetics is way more pivotal than fruiting environments. I may be hitting some members up for trades soon and storing or selling the aquarium gear. hmmm.
Edited by mistermushly (12/21/22 06:43 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#28107718 - 12/21/22 05:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Hindsight, I was offline for a bit -
yeah - I have everything wide open, and since it's not practical to keep the room temperature at 80F condensation seems to be an issue with the JCM. At the moment I wipe down the inner lid with a towel daily as a temporary fix, but need to find a better solution.
It would be nice to find a strain that YAGA seems to have going that actually don't mind dripping/misting. I may just make little tents for my containers with sticks and plastic sheeting. I have a few things that I could try. Also thinking of abandoning the JCM and going super low-tech as it seems some, at least YAGA are getting good results that way .
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28107764 - 12/21/22 06:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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mistermushly said: Hey Hindsight, I was offline for a bit -
yeah - I have everything wide open, and since it's not practical to keep the room temperature at 80F condensation seems to be an issue with the JCM. At the moment I wipe down the inner lid with a towel daily as a temporary fix, but need to find a better solution.
It would be nice to find a strain that YAGA seems to have going that actually don't mind dripping/misting. I may just make little tents for my containers with sticks and plastic sheeting. I have a few things that I could try. Also thinking of abandoning the JCM and going super low-tech as it seems some, at least YAGA are getting good results that way .
try placing a heating pad ontop of the lid. i haven't tried that myself but it might work 
also, i've found that pans in general seem to be ok with misting and getting wet but not the drying out part. if they get wet, i try to keep them wet and they're usually ok. but that might be hard with a JCM style chamber. it's a lot easier to manage if you have a fogger/martha setup.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28107778 - 12/21/22 06:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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What if you just tilted the lid? Like have a 2" gap on one end and a .5" gap on the other?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28107802 - 12/21/22 06:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hi FriedEgg - good idea with the heating pad - I currently have some strong LED lights placed directly on the lid which dry things out to a certain extent. Trying to keep everything at 80F or below may be an issue as well as obstructing the lighting, but might do the trick, I may try it and let you know thanks
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Hi bigfootscreepyuncl -
this could work, I'm not sure how much tilt you would need exactly to have gravity influence the water drops to run off. 2" may be enough I suppose; also having big gaps you'd have to cover - to maintain the FAE + humidity. Thinking I may be able to use your idea along with a plastic sheet to cover the gaps, and then I can experiment with the pitch/tilt to dial it in, thanks
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28107912 - 12/21/22 07:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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mistermushly said: that Second Pic is beautiful YAGA!
I was offline for a few days but looks like there was some talk of the recent advances in Pan cultivation. You're proving that with patience, it is indeed possible to go low -tech and get good results.
I made the call to go with the fancier JCM aquarium style, with all it's pumps and heaters, and now condensating lid issue - and now am looking at your good results with nothing but.... a plastic box .
1 out of 5 varieties of pan's I've tried popped for me with the JCM, the one pictured is that same MYSTERY pan on a mostly Straw Sub ( 70% straw/ 20% steer manure / 10% verm ). Kind of meager, but it's something. -- it's either a Pan Cyanenses - "Peace River" or a Pan combodginiensis "Suphanburi Goliath" please let me know if anyone can determine which of these it may be...

The more I follow this and your other thread, the more it seems like just trial and error with different genetics is way more pivotal than fruiting environments. I may be hitting some members up for trades soon and storing or selling the aquarium gear. hmmm.
Yeah, I have mixed results with the new genetics. I didn't transfer many parallel lines of genetics. So far this is my experience with the cultures I ran: Nec-D fruited nicely and gave mid range sized fruits both MS and clone. Jambos were growing insanely tall and meaty but not a lot of them, only ran MS so far and the clone is on grain now. Wild coast fruited alright but the fruits were deformed to various degrees and smallish both MS and clone. Suphan Buri MS was a dud with only a few fruits, the first clone tub is colonizing.
got 10 more jars and then I will probably will in terms on Pans. I have to concentrate on semilanceata culture work and will also do a few tubs of AA+ just to watch them grow.
Keep the aquarium heater and rest of the JCM setup, it is a useful tool. Do it both ways side by side if you have the space.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28107914 - 12/21/22 07:57 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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mistermushly said: Hi FriedEgg - good idea with the heating pad - I currently have some strong LED lights placed directly on the lid which dry things out to a certain extent. Trying to keep everything at 80F or below may be an issue as well as obstructing the lighting, but might do the trick, I may try it and let you know thanks
you could try using an aquarium heater that has a built in thermostat so the temperature doesn't get too high
https://www.amazon.com/HiTauing-Submersible-Over-Temperature-Protection-Freshwater/dp/B09H4K5BJD/
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28107917 - 12/21/22 08:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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you could also try plugging in your heating pad to a timer so it goes on/off in certain intervals. i doubt it needs to stay on all the time. you could probably have it turn on for 15 minutes and then turn off for 15 minutes. or whatever timing schedule you find that prevents condensation but doesn't get the temperature too high.
https://www.amazon.com/Multifunctional-Infinite-Programmable-Appliances-Energy-Saving/dp/B01G6O28NA
https://www.amazon.com/GE-Mechanical-Intervals-Decorations-15075/dp/B00366JSNU/
and i wouldn't worry too much about the light obstruction. you hardly need any light at all. i have a small single desk lamp 8 feet away that indirectly points at my substrate and it does just fine.
Edited by FriedEgg (12/21/22 08:03 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28107938 - 12/21/22 08:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Good advice Fried Egg, I currently have an aquarium heater with an adjustable thermostat ( similar to the JCM tek ) and I suppose I could turn it way down or off to compensate. Thanks for sharing your experience with lighting. The original JCM used 2 bright lights pointed directly, but have wondered that if they function as light but also as heating up the lid to solve condensation as we are discussing.
I have that same timer you linked to : ) It's a good one for looping cycles that you can control by the minute instead of 15 minute or more intervals - thanks.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28107982 - 12/21/22 09:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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yeah i have the same timer too. it also does intervals in seconds too, not just minutes
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