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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#28101798 - 12/17/22 08:27 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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mister, that one fruit that is showing the gills makes me think those are Peace River. It looks similar to the largest Peace River in my novelty grow with the way the cap is shaped.
One thing you can do to keep the casing wet is to use a syringe to drip water precisely where you want it. No need to inject the casing.
As far as when to pick, if you start to see spores accumulate anywhere, I would go ahead and pick them IMO.
Keep a close eye on that white patch in the casing layer. If it starts to turn green, be ready to pick the fruits regardless of size and pitch the cake. Adas raises a good question.
Adas, I wondered the same thing. I think my jars from my first novelty pan grow look way more sketch, but they never did turn green, just that blue color you see in the photo.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28101812 - 12/17/22 08:45 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I'm pretty sure I see green, not blue. But I know how much colors get messed up in photos.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#28102115 - 12/17/22 01:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the further detective work ruawakeyet. I'll try the syringe trick..
yeah, definitely not trich, I know exactly what that looks like after many cube grows. I cased 1/2 of each container to test the results, so that's why the sub looks uneven.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly] 2
#28102154 - 12/17/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Here's another shot of the mystery Pans today...

It's not coming across in the photo, but the greenish/yellow on top of the myc is a bit of metabolite.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly] 1
#28102526 - 12/17/22 07:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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is that cased with coir?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28102556 - 12/17/22 07:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
FriedEgg said: is that cased with coir?
Good point! It does look like it, and nobody else caught it, including me! 
It is probably just colonizing the casing.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28102561 - 12/17/22 07:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hi FriedEgg, 50% peat (spagnum) 50% vermiculite with an additional 1% lime
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28102563 - 12/17/22 07:14 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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good call ruawakeyet- not in this case though, it is half cased to test the pinning/fruiting results.
It naturally colonized through the manure/verm sub and I lightly cased half of the colonized container. looks like the shrooms are preferring the casing side a bit more so far
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28102565 - 12/17/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ahhh, I forgot you already mentioned that.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly] 1
#28102575 - 12/17/22 07:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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mistermushly said: Here's another shot of the mystery Pans today...

It's not coming across in the photo, but the greenish/yellow on top of the myc is a bit of metabolite.
another thing i noticed... is it just me or does that look like verticillium? i don't see any brown spots but the stems are peeling and splitting like crazy.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28102641 - 12/17/22 08:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hi - I think the peeling and splitting may be due to the fact that I attempted to mist them with a super fine mister, I've heard that some Pan's hate misting/spraying other types don't mind. I'm not sure what type this is; its either a Pan Cyanenses - "Peace River" or a Pan combodginiensis "Suphanburi Goliath"
not too familiar with verticillium
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly] 5
#28102661 - 12/17/22 08:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think some of us were talking in this thread (I think it was this thread) the other day about Phorid flies. I'm in the middle of a re-do of my cult area because of an infestation and I know RUA has an infestation as well.
Well, I scraped up some casing and substrate from the totes I tossed (and I tossed them all), put it in a ziplock back with some air and after a few days some phorid flies have hatched! I'm going to look at the substrate under the microscope under low magnification and see if I can find the larvae. I'll post a pic if I can. If I am able to, I'm going to heat some BT, and separately some Spinosad, to 160F for 2 hours then introduce it into the bag, then check the larvae again in a few days and also monitor for additional flies hatching (or hopefully not hatching). The point will be to see if BT or Spinosad can be mixed into substrate and casing prior to pasteurization (where it's easiest to get even coverage by mixing it first with the water you hydrate your sub/casing with) and then withstand pasteurization, and also to just personally confirm one or both of those things work specifically on phorid fly larvae. I have read that they do but have also read some mixed reports.
I'll post back when I've finished.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#28102675 - 12/17/22 08:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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that sucks. i'd really like to see those microscope pics of the larvae if you get them
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28102679 - 12/17/22 08:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That was actually in your Experiments with Growing Trich thread, after I helped it get off topic a bit. (Sorry again for that.)
I had to look up what phorid flies look like, and I thought that was what I had, until I finally caught one on a piece of tape and examined it under a magnifying glass. It turns out they actually are fungus gnats. (With how bad my eyes are becoming, I'm going to need a microscope just to look at an insect.)
Luckily I don't have any substrate going right now. I have an indoor veggie garden in a raised bed that is making a wonderful home for them. I've had mosquito dunks (package claims to kill fungus gnat larvae as well) in my garden water bucket for over a month now, but they must still be hatching because I have adults all over the garden.
I still need to get some molasses to add to my water to hopefully culture more BTI than is currently being produced. I also wonder if chlorine and chloramine can kill BTI. I might have to start treating my water with aquarium safe and then add mosquito dunks.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 4
#28102742 - 12/17/22 09:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
FriedEgg said: is that cased with coir?
Just thought that I would mention that none of my grows have been cased with anything….FYI
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 99.99]
#28102782 - 12/17/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Super helpful 99.99
just checked out your "covered" Pan technique (here)
very innovative. I use the JCM aquarium technique so I imagine pretty similar environment to a Martha, Your post gives me some ideas... trying to figure out the humidity level and fresh air ratio is a tricky one, even more tricky when you don't use casing I'd bet.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28102793 - 12/17/22 10:16 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I honestly think the coverd pans have brought such success THANKS
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 99.99]
#28102805 - 12/17/22 10:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I actually have had a conundrum with the JCM aquarium where a lot of water droplets formed on the lid, so I had to make some compromises and I may not be getting enough humidity.
Looks like from the pics you are getting quite a bit of droplets ( on the top of the lid ) too, you don't find that a problem with them dripping down?
I'm not sure if they do drop down cause I'm not around to see it but seems like they would. I was almost thinking of doing a similar thing to your lid trick but making a slanted roof so the droplets have a place to run off. hhmmm
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly] 1
#28102817 - 12/17/22 10:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Most of the water drops are on the outside of the lids, in side its very misty when the humidifiers on but the amount of water that condensates on the inside of the lids quickly dissipates in between cycles of the humidifier This keeps the humidity as high as possible, but also allows for maximum evaporation… if you zoom in on that photo of the tray of the mature mushrooms, you will see how dry it is
I’ve been trying to grow pans for years, and nothing has ever worked until I started using the lids as described I’ve always get a huge pin set, but they would quickly abort with a water from the humidifier
This was my very best grow until I started using the lids as described

This is the exact same culture as that great looking tray, but without the oversized lid trick…. And it has been cased with peatmoss
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 99.99]
#28102825 - 12/17/22 11:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ahaa I see it now -
The water droplets are on the outside - makes sense, I used to run a Martha and remember everything raining down.
Invaluable info 99 - congrats on the success : ) - Just starting with Pans but I'm thinking I may try a modified version of your lids if I continue to get mediocre results.
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