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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28100644 - 12/16/22 03:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28100646 - 12/16/22 03:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sweatdreams said: Why separately?
it doesn't NEED to be pasteurized separately. sometimes it's just more convenient to do it that way. it can be all pasteurized together if you want to. but sometimes i spawning cubensis too so i'm using some coir for that too. and sometimes i don't have enough room to pasteurize all of it together.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hummingbird] 1
#28100647 - 12/16/22 03:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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hummingbird said: The easy as cubes series from Stonesun was awesome.
Wow, I somehow hadn’t ever come across that thread series. Thanks HB. Just browsed over the different topics, definitely got some more reading to do. I’m also working some bisporus that germed really well, and I just got some T2 cultures put to grain.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hummingbird] 2
#28100652 - 12/16/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Stonesun's posts are very good reads.
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sweatdreams said: Why separately?
it doesn't NEED to be pasteurized separately. sometimes it's just more convenient to do it that way. it can be all pasteurized together if you want to. but sometimes i spawning cubensis too so i'm using some coir for that too. and sometimes i don't have enough room to pasteurize all of it together.

I pasteurize it separately cause it effectively gives me more manure based substrate cause I can use all the space in my pasteurizer for manure and leave the coir for bucket tek which basically doubles the amount of pan substrate per pasteurization or even triples it depending on what ratio of manure I'm usings in the bulk.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28100674 - 12/16/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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yup. more room is nice.
yaga, what's your preferred spawn ratio and substrate mixture these days?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28100698 - 12/16/22 03:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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My go to is compost/coir 50:50 because of ease of prep but I am trying other things out at the moment.
It's still all compost, horse manure and coir but prepped and mixed in different ways. Trying a few tubs here and there with just H-Manure and compost but I think there is not enough of a water reservoir in there.
Will write updates at the end of the growing season.
Spawn ratio is also the usual at 1:2 to 1:3
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28100804 - 12/16/22 04:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Some pcj cultures from 2018 prints (2 different prints from different sources). I started them up on weak gwa and moved them over to dfa. I know the consensus is to avoid these thicker cultures but hopefully they will work out when spawned 1:4. Was just happy to get these off such old prints.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado] 3
#28100858 - 12/16/22 05:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The thicker growth came from a wispy low nute plate which obviously shows how the nutrient density does influence the mycelial morphology. If you go back to the weak GWA then it will become wispy again so I wouldn't sweat it. I think this thick growth criteria is one of those things that are getting overemphasized from time to time in this hobby.
I like weak agar for pans as it makes it easier to read the growth.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28100864 - 12/16/22 05:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba, a while back you had asked me to update once I prepped some cow pies, so here it is:
While it's impossible for me to break them down using my hands, it becomes fairly easy after allowing them to soak up water for 2 to 3 days. I kept giving them a little more water at a time until the chunks were soaked through to the middle, and came out a little over field capacity, as I expected them to.
I added dry gypsum flour and enough dry vermiculite until the field capacity was close. I left it slightly over field capacity to allow for a little moisture loss through pasteurization.
The consistency is much better than I expected based on what I had read about using cow poo.
If only I had clean spawn, I would have some decent expectations of it. I'm only going to make 2 trays, and as long as I get one Peace River fruit for printing, it will be worth it, as my original print is getting kind of old now.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28100878 - 12/16/22 05:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: The thicker growth came from a wispy low nute plate which obviously shows how the nutrient density does influence the mycelial morphology. If you go back to the weak GWA then it will become wispy again so I wouldn't sweat it. I think this thick growth criteria is one of those things that are getting overemphasized from time to time in this hobby.
I like weak agar for pans as it makes it easier to read the growth.
Agreed.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#28100895 - 12/16/22 05:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Baba, a while back you had asked me to update once I prepped some cow pies, so here it is:
While it's impossible for me to break them down using my hands, it becomes fairly easy after allowing them to soak up water for 2 to 3 days. I kept giving them a little more water at a time until the chunks were soaked through to the middle, and came out a little over field capacity, as I expected them to.
I added dry gypsum flour and enough dry vermiculite until the field capacity was close. I left it slightly over field capacity to allow for a little moisture loss through pasteurization.
The consistency is much better than I expected based on what I had read about using cow poo.
If only I had clean spawn, I would have some decent expectations of it. I'm only going to make 2 trays, and as long as I get one Peace River fruit for printing, it will be worth it, as my original print is getting kind of old now.
That sounds like a usable substrate. I am experimenting with dissolving manure completely in water and pasteurize it in liquid form and use that to hydrate coir. If I overshoot field capacity I adjust this with vermiculite. I think I end up with a manure content of 20% in the bulk which seems to be enough so far. I tried this because I am using unaged manure and this has a very muddy texture. So far this is working out great and I have started do a write up about it. Theoretically one could pasteurize heaps in a stockpot and make a lot of pan bulk at once. Maybe that is something to try?
I hope you are getting you spawn problem sorted. Are the tubs failing or does the spawn look so bad that it is not even worth trying?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28100914 - 12/16/22 05:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Most of the spawn I made up last month has already been dumped, I knew better than to even chance them. So far that was over a dozen mycoquarts, and I have another half dozen that I'm about to dump as well.
I have a small number that at least colonized, but are obviously not ideal. I have plenty of bulk to waste, so I'm going to go ahead and see what happens.
I'm getting experience prepping cow poo anyway.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28100987 - 12/16/22 06:56 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: The thicker growth came from a wispy low nute plate which obviously shows how the nutrient density does influence the mycelial morphology. If you go back to the weak GWA then it will become wispy again so I wouldn't sweat it. I think this thick growth criteria is one of those things that are getting overemphasized from time to time in this hobby.
I like weak agar for pans as it makes it easier to read the growth.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28101004 - 12/16/22 07:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Baba, a while back you had asked me to update once I prepped some cow pies, so here it is:
While it's impossible for me to break them down using my hands, it becomes fairly easy after allowing them to soak up water for 2 to 3 days. I kept giving them a little more water at a time until the chunks were soaked through to the middle, and came out a little over field capacity, as I expected them to.
I added dry gypsum flour and enough dry vermiculite until the field capacity was close. I left it slightly over field capacity to allow for a little moisture loss through pasteurization.
The consistency is much better than I expected based on what I had read about using cow poo.
If only I had clean spawn, I would have some decent expectations of it. I'm only going to make 2 trays, and as long as I get one Peace River fruit for printing, it will be worth it, as my original print is getting kind of old now.
That sounds like a usable substrate. I am experimenting with dissolving manure completely in water and pasteurize it in liquid form and use that to hydrate coir. If I overshoot field capacity I adjust this with vermiculite. I think I end up with a manure content of 20% in the bulk which seems to be enough so far. I tried this because I am using unaged manure and this has a very muddy texture. So far this is working out great and I have started do a write up about it. Theoretically one could pasteurize heaps in a stockpot and make a lot of pan bulk at once. Maybe that is something to try?
I hope you are getting you spawn problem sorted. Are the tubs failing or does the spawn look so bad that it is not even worth trying?
Love what you are doing with pans cult. Really simplifying it and making it accessible. The tubs with pumps timers etc look like science projects nobody has time for. This dissolved manure has me intrigued! Please post that up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28101247 - 12/16/22 09:47 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Most of the spawn I made up last month has already been dumped, I knew better than to even chance them. So far that was over a dozen mycoquarts, and I have another half dozen that I'm about to dump as well.
I have a small number that at least colonized, but are obviously not ideal. I have plenty of bulk to waste, so I'm going to go ahead and see what happens.
I'm getting experience prepping cow poo anyway.
Well that sucks. I had bad luck at the start of the growing season with bad coir and trying all new varieties didn't help either cause some are indeed a little bit different than what I was used to.
I hope you will find the culprit that causes this. Had to buy new grain and got a bag of barley along with new oats just to try out something new and have to say I do not like the look of it when colonizing but is there really anything else to expect after using exclusively oats for over 3 years. Spawned the first jars of colonized barley a few days ago and hope that this is just the way it looks. Do you have a photo of you spawn? I'm just curious how bad it looks.
Anyway, there is so much to rule out. Maybe write down a detailed grow log with recipes and ratios and all to really focus on the process.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: JHOVA]
#28101257 - 12/16/22 09:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
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ruawakeyet said: Baba, a while back you had asked me to update once I prepped some cow pies, so here it is:
While it's impossible for me to break them down using my hands, it becomes fairly easy after allowing them to soak up water for 2 to 3 days. I kept giving them a little more water at a time until the chunks were soaked through to the middle, and came out a little over field capacity, as I expected them to.
I added dry gypsum flour and enough dry vermiculite until the field capacity was close. I left it slightly over field capacity to allow for a little moisture loss through pasteurization.
The consistency is much better than I expected based on what I had read about using cow poo.
If only I had clean spawn, I would have some decent expectations of it. I'm only going to make 2 trays, and as long as I get one Peace River fruit for printing, it will be worth it, as my original print is getting kind of old now.
That sounds like a usable substrate. I am experimenting with dissolving manure completely in water and pasteurize it in liquid form and use that to hydrate coir. If I overshoot field capacity I adjust this with vermiculite. I think I end up with a manure content of 20% in the bulk which seems to be enough so far. I tried this because I am using unaged manure and this has a very muddy texture. So far this is working out great and I have started do a write up about it. Theoretically one could pasteurize heaps in a stockpot and make a lot of pan bulk at once. Maybe that is something to try?
I hope you are getting you spawn problem sorted. Are the tubs failing or does the spawn look so bad that it is not even worth trying?
Love what you are doing with pans cult. Really simplifying it and making it accessible. The tubs with pumps timers etc look like science projects nobody has time for. This dissolved manure has me intrigued! Please post that up.
Thanks mate, will post it soon.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28101426 - 12/17/22 12:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Pan people - I am growing several Pans and I think I may have swaped labels on these 2...
anyone know if this is a Pan Cyanenses - "Peace River" or a Pan combodginiensis "Suphanburi Goliath"
Edited by mistermushly (12/17/22 12:43 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28101461 - 12/17/22 12:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That is tough for me to say, but I bet someone will be able to ID them.
I've never grown the Goliath, and only had some pathetic, sickly Peace Rivers in a novelty grow so far. They were also top-fruited, so I'll post a pic for you to compare, even though the ones in my photo are horrible compared to yours. These were the very first pans I grew. Most of them are PHV, but the Peace Rivers are in the 3 jars on the far right. You'll have to zoom in as much as you can just to be able to see them! The middle jar never produced anything, as they were all badly contaminated.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28101613 - 12/17/22 03:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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thank you ruawakeyet- Looks like you did ok with the PVH- I'm not having great success either, but at least something's coming up .They do look a little like Peace River's to me, color and shape-wize. Hope a Pan expert can tell us.
here's another more recent shot of them they're growing quick...

I'm experienced with cubes but not really sure when to harvest these guys as well. guess when they totally open up.
a few more details... I misted them slightly with a super fine mister and I think that's possibly why they look a bit torn up. I think you can mist some types of Pan's, but others it's a real no-no? I'd like to mist down the casing since it looks a bit dry, but kind of fear that I'll do more damage.
Edited by mistermushly (12/17/22 03:34 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistermushly]
#28101711 - 12/17/22 07:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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mistermushly said: thank you ruawakeyet- Looks like you did ok with the PVH- I'm not having great success either, but at least something's coming up .They do look a little like Peace River's to me, color and shape-wize. Hope a Pan expert can tell us.
here's another more recent shot of them they're growing quick...

I'm experienced with cubes but not really sure when to harvest these guys as well. guess when they totally open up.
a few more details... I misted them slightly with a super fine mister and I think that's possibly why they look a bit torn up. I think you can mist some types of Pan's, but others it's a real no-no? I'd like to mist down the casing since it looks a bit dry, but kind of fear that I'll do more damage.
Is that.. Trich in the photo?
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