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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 5
#28099833 - 12/16/22 02:21 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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FriedEgg said: have any of you ever tried lower fruiting temps like 72-74?
Posted this twice already but why not again.
Below is a Nec-D monotub that grew in temperatures 62-72F with a couple of nights going down to 56F cause I forgot to switch the heater on. Worked out alright.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28099956 - 12/16/22 06:37 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That's awesome Baba, did you notice any difference in fruiting speed? And for how much of the grow were temps at 62-72 - the entire time, like before pinning and after pinning, or just after pinning for part of the fruiting cycle?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28100501 - 12/16/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Myc Hunt said:
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FriedEgg said: have any of you ever tried lower fruiting temps like 72-74?
I’ve ran all my pans at 71 because it’s winter over here and energy costs have soared. All worked out just fine.
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FriedEgg said: have any of you ever tried lower fruiting temps like 72-74?
Posted this twice already but why not again.
Below is a Nec-D monotub that grew in temperatures 62-72F with a couple of nights going down to 56F cause I forgot to switch the heater on. Worked out alright.

that's what i like to hear. people thinking outside the box. if they don't need to grow at 79F, why bother? it just adds more complexity. i feel like pans still have a long way to go for them to be noob friendly but if innovations continue maybe someday they will completely replace cubes. does anyone else think so?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 3
#28100513 - 12/16/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Amen. I think cubes will always have their appeal to the casual grower/consumer but for me Pans is where it’s at on both counts.
They do take a little more work than cubes but in my limited experience the ‘more work’ part is pasteurising a manure based substrate.
Short of that I treat them exactly as I do cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] 1
#28100521 - 12/16/22 01:16 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Myc Hunt said: Amen. I think cubes will always have their appeal to the casual grower/consumer but for me Pans is where it’s at on both counts.
They do take a little more work than cubes but in my limited experience the ‘more work’ part is pasteurising a manure based substrate.
Short of that I treat them exactly as I do cubes.
Exactly Some folks grow Cubes on shit anyways so may as well grow something that's much higher quality and potency Still, I find myself coming back to growing Cubes sometimes, just because they're fuckin beautiful And easier to microdose too.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#28100549 - 12/16/22 01:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight said: That's awesome Baba, did you notice any difference in fruiting speed? And for how much of the grow were temps at 62-72 - the entire time, like before pinning and after pinning, or just after pinning for part of the fruiting cycle?
These temperatures were throughout the whole grow and the fluctuations are night and day temps and probably were more constantly between 64-70F for the most part of it. This was a fruited@spawn and uncased tub too so I can't compare how it affected the pinning really cause I am still in the process of figuring this out myself. The photos I posted earlier were from harvest day, 26 days after spawning.
Just went back and had a look for a post with some notes.
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Baba Yaga said:
Nec-D MS, fruited@spawn, 1:3, compost:coir 50:50, further increased FAE after 16 days, first knots after 18 days
today after 23 days:

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FriedEgg said:
that's what i like to hear. people thinking outside the box. if they don't need to grow at 79F, why bother? it just adds more complexity. i feel like pans still have a long way to go for them to be noob friendly but if innovations continue maybe someday they will completely replace cubes. does anyone else think so?
A few years back, lots of the information regarding pans kinda turned over the top crazy for some reason and I got annoyed about the development and how some people got turned down when they posted or asking about growing pans in tubs and got replies like "you shouldn't even try" "pans are not doing well in a tub period". This actually made me sign up after 4 years of lurking and start promoting the tub approach. I am not personally blaming anyone, this is how the dynamics on a public forum work, heck even my OP to the pans in monotubs thread is over the top as I see it now and lots of unnecessary blah blah in it and I will have to correct this at some point.
Starting out I mainly followed an old thread and information compiled by member CaptainAhab and I had great success so that's that. I still think that he is worthwhile checking out 
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Myc Hunt said: I treat them exactly as I do cubes.
Edited by Baba Yaga (12/16/22 02:11 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 3
#28100554 - 12/16/22 01:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Adas said:
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Myc Hunt said: Amen. I think cubes will always have their appeal to the casual grower/consumer but for me Pans is where it’s at on both counts.
They do take a little more work than cubes but in my limited experience the ‘more work’ part is pasteurising a manure based substrate.
Short of that I treat them exactly as I do cubes.
Exactly Some folks grow Cubes on shit anyways so may as well grow something that's much higher quality and potency Still, I find myself coming back to growing Cubes sometimes, just because they're fuckin beautiful And easier to microdose too.
Amen, I will aways grow some cubes here and there. Growing mushrooms is like running an aquarium for me and sometimes I need to look at different fish
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28100565 - 12/16/22 02:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Got some questions. New to growing, have 1 grow under my belt. Started with ape and currently on my 3 rd flush. My spawn is almost ready for the next grow. I'm growing panaeolus cyanescens hawaiian next. Getting new tubs today to try ez dial method. I've read yaba whole thing, I've gone through 300 pages on this thread also. I'm going with no casing, coir and horse manure. Probally some gympsum also and was debating if vermiculite should be used also? For the ape I used gympsum, vermiculite, and coir. Was wondering if I should put vermiculite in the substrate since I'm not using a casing layer. So I'm going to use the pressure cooker for the horse manure and the bucket tek for the coir. Should I wait for both to fully cool down to mix the 2 or can I Start the horse manure first and as soon as it's done in the pressure cooker, throw it in the bucket with coir and boiling water? Idk if throwing sterlised manure in the bucket with coir and just having it be together while pasterizeing can cause something bad?!?!? Thanks
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sweatdreams]
#28100574 - 12/16/22 02:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Sterilized manure will contaminate as soon as it hits open air.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sweatdreams]
#28100580 - 12/16/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Why are you sterilizing and then pasteurizing? Sterilizing kills everything, so there is nothing to pasteurize. Since you want the healthy bacteria in the poo, it should be pasteurized.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sweatdreams] 2
#28100581 - 12/16/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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i pasteurize my manure separately and then add the bucket'd coir to complete the whole substrate mixture
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28100593 - 12/16/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Why separately?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28100594 - 12/16/22 02:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
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Hindsight said: That's awesome Baba, did you notice any difference in fruiting speed? And for how much of the grow were temps at 62-72 - the entire time, like before pinning and after pinning, or just after pinning for part of the fruiting cycle?
These temperatures were throughout the whole grow and the fluctuations are night and day temps and probably were more constantly between 64-70F for the most part of it. This was a fruited@spawn and uncased tub too so I can't compare how it affected the pinning really cause I am still in the process of figuring this out myself. The photos I posted earlier were from harvest day, 26 days after spawning.
Just went back and had a look for a post with some notes.
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Baba Yaga said:
Nec-D MS, fruited@spawn, 1:3, compost:coir 50:50, further increased FAE after 16 days, first knots after 18 days
today after 23 days:

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FriedEgg said:
that's what i like to hear. people thinking outside the box. if they don't need to grow at 79F, why bother? it just adds more complexity. i feel like pans still have a long way to go for them to be noob friendly but if innovations continue maybe someday they will completely replace cubes. does anyone else think so?
A few years back, lots of the information regarding pans kinda turned over the top crazy for some reason and I got annoyed about the development and how some people got turned down when they posted or asking about growing pans in tubs and got replies like "you shouldn't even try" "pans are not doing well in a tub period". This actually made me sign up after 4 years of lurking and start promoting the tub approach. I am not personally blaming anyone, this is how the dynamics on a public forum work, heck even my OP to the pans in monotubs thread is over the top as I see it now and lots of unnecessary blah blah in it and I will have to correct this at some point.
Starting out I mainly followed an old thread and information compiled by member CaptainAhab and I had great success so that's that. I still think that he is worthwhile checking out 
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Myc Hunt said: I treat them exactly as I do cubes.

For sure! Starting out and reading about Pans there was a lot of gatekeeping and myths flying about. I remember first reading some teks from the user Stonesun who ran all sorts of exotics in monos years ago. For whatever reason it didn’t seem to pick up much traction as everyone was still quoting RR and worshipping snake venom.
After reading through your Tek though Baba and giving it a stab myself, I’ve never looked back so much respect for that!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cooleko]
#28100599 - 12/16/22 02:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Haven't read anything for almost 2 weeks going off top my head. Been trying to understand making cbd distillate and nano emulsions.. Thought manure needed to be sterlized and coir need to be pasterized. Unless that was because of the straw in one of these guys substrate they use. So if this is true. I can sure pasterized the manure with the coir together in the bucket then
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sweatdreams] 1
#28100610 - 12/16/22 02:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Well you could if you take care and know what you are doing, member Kirkeng had success doing it but it wasn't as simple as just pouring hot water on top. It still might work but if you just starting out I would suggest you do a proper pasteurization just to be sure your substrate is not the culprit when things go south.
As friedegg said, you can bucket tek the coir and pasteurize the manure and mix later. I do this myself.
Doing both together in a bucket is not guaranteed to work well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 6
#28100620 - 12/16/22 02:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Unmodded Nec-D this morning:
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28100621 - 12/16/22 02:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Interessting, the pin amount seems the same but much more "meaty" with the casing it seems?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28100624 - 12/16/22 02:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ok thanks. How do you feel about me adding the vermiculite also to the substare. I noticed when you did it you only did it to the casing layer ones you did
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] 4
#28100628 - 12/16/22 02:57 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The easy as cubes series from Stonesun was awesome. I like RR, and think he contributed a lot of very useful info to the OMC...but people thought you needed rattlesnake venom for a really long time to make crosses. I sometimes wonder how many cube crosses would exist right now if that myth wasn't around for so long. The number would probably contend with weed strains almost I bet.
I got very good germination on my bisporus plates I started. So good they're kind of a mess actually, I'm going to have to just chop out transfers and look for good sectors on T1 plates. I'm going to try them in a monotub and see what happens. It's been since the beginning of this thread that I've tried pans.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sweatdreams] 1
#28100643 - 12/16/22 03:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sweatdreams said: Why separately?
it doesn't NEED to be pasteurized separately. sometimes it's just more convenient to do it that way. it can be all pasteurized together if you want to. but sometimes i spawning cubensis too so i'm using some coir for that too. and sometimes i don't have enough room to pasteurize all of it together.
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