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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28095611 - 12/13/22 08:47 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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These were kept at room temperature around 21C. Yes probably sclerotia..
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0uroboro5] 15
#28095652 - 12/13/22 09:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cambocyan] 1
#28095662 - 12/13/22 09:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, there are some chonkers in there! Great job, as usual cambo!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#28095821 - 12/13/22 11:40 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Those are beauties Cambo!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28096312 - 12/13/22 05:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Look at those furry stipes! Beauties.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28096585 - 12/13/22 08:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Cambocyan.... Those look lovely!!! I hope I can pull a nice tray like that some time! What's the number one thing that trips most of you up with this panhead situation? Enquiring minds wanna know!! 😎✌️
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Scotay] 10
#28097143 - 12/14/22 11:32 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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A beginner happy with his first ever second flush. Thanks to all of you, hoping to become a Pan Master one day!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 99.99] 2
#28098683 - 12/15/22 12:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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99.99 said: Hey just wanted to update on these crazy pinning agar plates Since i had the one master plate seems like almost every agar plate ive made from it is pinning some of the mushrooms in the plates are getting so big I just can’t believe it.

I’ve started 2 more trays from thae same agar master plate

Ive just seen pins on my 2nd set of agar dishes from clones of pins i made 2 weeks ago So I’m pretty sure I have a stable clone of pans the pin on agar
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 99.99] 6
#28098874 - 12/15/22 02:26 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I got a Bunnell & Nec-D clone fruiting in unmodified tubs
Bunnell wasn't a happy fruiter with the first two modified tubs I ran. This time I let the substrate consolidate for 7 days after full colonization which seemed to have helped. First pins appeared after 3 days when exposed to fruiting conditions. Pinning is happening more or starting earlier on the uncased side which is cool I think.

Nec-D clone consolidated for 3 days after full colonization and also started pinning 3 days after introduction of fruiting conditions. There isn't a significant preference or head start when comparing pinning on the cased and uncased surface. Fruits on the cased side are bigger/meatier though.

Will leave the next few substrates to consolidate for a week now and see if that improves things. Seems to help.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28098893 - 12/15/22 02:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Cool experiment. It is interesting to see how different things respond to casing. I have a mak shoebox right now that I have only cased half of. The only place in the shoebox popping up fruits is on the non-cased side, but only right up against the very boundary of the casing. Really strange.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#28098947 - 12/15/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, that sounds very strange.
I sometimes even think about air currents in the room and how this might affect fruiting if you have the tubs sitting in the same spot and orientation for the whole time being. Should I rotate tubs now ??? Nah, can't be bothered. I'm getting mentally too fat to even fit into those kind of rabbit holes anymore 
I took me a long time to give unmodified tubs a go but I think I like them cause there are no holes near substrate level which often lets the surface in close proximity to those holes dry up. With unmodified tubs there is a more even FAE flow without those hot (dry) spots.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28098995 - 12/15/22 03:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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for those of you that use grow tents and other automated fruiting methods, what fruiting temperatures do you aim for? it seems like the old information says 79-81F but i see some people say anything in the 70s is fine but information is constantly evolving so i'm wondering what's the meta strategy now?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28099003 - 12/15/22 03:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Upper 70s is what I shoot for. 77 is where I try to keep it at.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#28099007 - 12/15/22 03:42 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Yes, that sounds very strange.
I sometimes even think about air currents in the room and how this might affect fruiting if you have the tubs sitting in the same spot and orientation for the whole time being. Should I rotate tubs now ??? Nah, can't be bothered. I'm getting mentally too fat to even fit into those kind of rabbit holes anymore 
I took me a long time to give unmodified tubs a go but I think I like them cause there are no holes near substrate level which often lets the surface in close proximity to those holes dry up. With unmodified tubs there is a more even FAE flow without those hot (dry) spots.
You'd have to be really careful with which tote you use for unmod since most won't have great airflow I wouldn't think. Very curious to see if pans can be grown well in that kind of setup.
Here is that Mak tub I mentioned:

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FriedEgg said: for those of you that use grow tents and other automated fruiting methods, what fruiting temperatures do you aim for? it seems like the old information says 79-81F but i see some people say anything in the 70s is fine but information is constantly evolving so i'm wondering what's the meta strategy now?
I have my thermostat set for 78F and it produced all the grows you see in my signature. I have gone as high as 81-83. I haven't noticed any difference really but there are so many variables with always having different cultures in the tent, changing other things, etc. I think I'd have to get really scientific about it in order to notice any difference.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28099044 - 12/15/22 04:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight said:
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Baba Yaga said: Yes, that sounds very strange.
I sometimes even think about air currents in the room and how this might affect fruiting if you have the tubs sitting in the same spot and orientation for the whole time being. Should I rotate tubs now ??? Nah, can't be bothered. I'm getting mentally too fat to even fit into those kind of rabbit holes anymore 
I took me a long time to give unmodified tubs a go but I think I like them cause there are no holes near substrate level which often lets the surface in close proximity to those holes dry up. With unmodified tubs there is a more even FAE flow without those hot (dry) spots.
You'd have to be really careful with which tote you use for unmod since most won't have great airflow I wouldn't think. Very curious to see if pans can be grown well in that kind of setup.
Here is that Mak tub I mentioned:

Wow, that is very strange. Kirkeng is using unmodded tubs with great success but he also sets the lid on a bit askew to allow for more FAE. I'm tryig out the minimum requirements to grow pans with unmodded cause I don't really want to fiddle around with lid placement too much. Trying to find out if these can be sort of set and forget with the occasional misting.
this is what it looks like at the moment.

If that doesn't work out then I will try Pasty's Ez Dialed Monos.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28099048 - 12/15/22 04:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nice I do the exact same thing with my shoeboxes. I use Sterilite purple latch totes. Lid on for colonization and consolidation, then lid flipped upside down for fruiting. Never for pans though, only for cubes and semps. But that's only because I have the tent, otherwise I would try it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#28099090 - 12/15/22 04:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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have any of you ever tried lower fruiting temps like 72-74?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#28099144 - 12/15/22 04:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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FriedEgg said: for those of you that use grow tents and other automated fruiting methods, what fruiting temperatures do you aim for? it seems like the old information says 79-81F but i see some people say anything in the 70s is fine but information is constantly evolving so i'm wondering what's the meta strategy now?
I keep mine at 80
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 2
#28099177 - 12/15/22 05:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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FriedEgg said: have any of you ever tried lower fruiting temps like 72-74?
IIRC, JakeonCid said he had some good flushes by holding upper 70s or low 80s to get the pinset, then let the temp back down to low 70s without any harm done to the flush.
It just makes it difficult if your trays are at different stages of development, so I don't think he continued doing that for long.
I read Gordo's Tek, and he fruits all of his pans at 70 degrees IIRC. I think he's done some really great work, although the Estero's that he recommends all the time have become kind of fucked up. I don't know if it's a genetic thing or what, but that's irrelevant.
Edit: The reason I try to keep my temps warmer than room temperature is anecdotal, and I can no longer find where I read it nor who said it. I thought it was Jake, but someone was talking about maintaining the species' native environment as much as possible as to try to not alter the genetics or growth characteristics. If that's true, it's important if you are planning on taking spore prints to use in the future. Now that I've learned how quickly Pan prints can go dead, I think the printing aspect is crucial unless you just like buying spore prints.
Edited by ruawakeyet (12/15/22 05:12 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 3
#28099808 - 12/16/22 12:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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FriedEgg said: have any of you ever tried lower fruiting temps like 72-74?
I’ve ran all my pans at 71 because it’s winter over here and energy costs have soared. All worked out just fine.
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