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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: goatboy666] 1
#28075460 - 11/30/22 04:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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goatboy666 said: Haha i like your positive attitude. Always ask if in doubt. Did you have pictures of the other ones?
I only got a photo of this. Too late to harvest and looks like they dried out.

More grew after this and were still vertical but the caps looked the same like they'd exploded. I figured it got pelted by rain all night, but I tried to collect some of the spores on agar.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CriticalQ] 1
#28075465 - 11/30/22 04:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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They aint panaeolus either but....you are doing wonders for the local mushroom population 😀
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: goatboy666]
#28075479 - 11/30/22 05:14 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Do you think this: https://www.scottsbrands.com/en-us/products/earthgro/earthgro-steer-manure-blend Or this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-cu-ft-Steer-Manure-Compost-Blend-71751185/100619087
might work for manure? I have a feeling it's a no, but I can always just give it a shot and post up the results here for later if you guys think it's worth a try. These are the closest to cow manure I can actually buy from a store. Doesn't look like any stores online will ship here either. Anything else I'll have to talk to a local farm for some carabao shit.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CriticalQ]
#28075513 - 11/30/22 06:03 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The home depot mix has reviews saying they successfully harvested mushrooms from it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CriticalQ]
#28075602 - 11/30/22 07:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I would definately give the caribou stuff a try for sure if you can. That would be a great experiment
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CriticalQ] 1
#28075635 - 11/30/22 07:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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CriticalQ said: Trying to figure out if I'm specifically doing something wrong. I spawned a whole quart jar of Pan Cyan Hawaiian grain spawn on oats to a 40/40/20 ChickenPoo/Coir/verm bulk substrate.
Does my sub look too wet/dry?
This is my second attempt. Last one didn't grow at all in bulk sub, but thankfully I live in good outdoor conditions for this species and I tossed a contaminated jar under the same 40/40/20 mix on grass and it grew a couple specimens I was able to pull spores off of.
The last pic is of the grain spawn shortly before I spawned to the tray in the pics.
Been 4 days so far with zero visible growth on top layer.
Unless my strains are just speedy on grain and shit on chicken shit. Only other thing I can think of is I need to replace my chicken shit for cow.



Agree with others on chicken manure. Try for cow/horse or similar. Also, are you pasteurizing your substrate? VERY important to do that with manure-based subs.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps]
#28075641 - 11/30/22 08:11 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I repost my question again, kinda got lost 
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Shrimps said: Here a quick update on my two (Cop.cyan. "Jamaica") tubes:
11L Shoebox with my wpoo "experiment" spawned 14.11 (following babayagas Thread:

31L Monotube with normal hpoo spawned 21.11 following asuras Thread:

I think due to the low temperatures (21°C-23°C) the colonization is taking a bit longer. Also my Wpoo experiment had a bit a thick toplayer, so I scratched a bit of on the 21.11 and since then its recovering quite well. I think my Wpoo thingi was maybe a little bit too wet, what also seems to be adding to the longer colonization time 
I think I will wait a couple of days longer until I apply the casing layer, or what do you pan-veterans think about that?
Since that was like 2 days ago (and they don't look much different), I pasteurized now 50/50 peat/verm for the casinglayer. Only going to apply it on my mono, I think my Wpoo Shoebox might be bacterial, has a little bit a sour smell to it. But I will just leave that one for now and look what happens in a week or two. I think it's a loss ^^
But aside of that, just making those two made me realize how I could do it better next time Still got some myc on agar though.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CriticalQ] 2
#28075658 - 11/30/22 08:33 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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CriticalQ said: I only got a photo of this. Too late to harvest and looks like they dried out.

More grew after this and were still vertical but the caps looked the same like they'd exploded. I figured it got pelted by rain all night, but I tried to collect some of the spores on agar.
Those mushrooms are all Coprinus mushrooms, which is a common contaminate mushroom with manure based substrates.
There's got to be some cow fields or horse fields/stables around you somewhere. Are you in Hawaii? I know there are some on at least one island, but probably others.
I don't have experience on store bought manure, but the consensus is that it is usually not the best consistency, and it varies a lot from brand to brand and even bag to bag, or by location.
I've got some primo, field-aged; sun-dried cow pies that I haven't tried yet. If you were willing to pay shipping, I could mail you a box of it. I still recommend sourcing locally, but if that really is not an option...
I would definitely be looking for those fields, because you could hunt wild Pans. If you luck out, you could take your own spore print from a wild fruit, harvest enough for a trip, and find some manure to use!
I don't know if I've seen anyone have success with a store bought syringe of Hawaiian Pan Cyan on this entire thread. I know of only one or two growers that have successfully grown Hawaiian, but I don't know their source of spores. My point is that the reason nothing ever worked on agar might not be your fault. I would acquire a new spore print and start over.
Good luck, and welcome to the Shroomery!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps]
#28075676 - 11/30/22 08:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Shrimps said: I repost my question again, kinda got lost 
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Shrimps said: Here a quick update on my two (Cop.cyan. "Jamaica") tubes:
11L Shoebox with my wpoo "experiment" spawned 14.11 (following babayagas Thread:

31L Monotube with normal hpoo spawned 21.11 following asuras Thread:

I think due to the low temperatures (21°C-23°C) the colonization is taking a bit longer. Also my Wpoo experiment had a bit a thick toplayer, so I scratched a bit of on the 21.11 and since then its recovering quite well. I think my Wpoo thingi was maybe a little bit too wet, what also seems to be adding to the longer colonization time 
I think I will wait a couple of days longer until I apply the casing layer, or what do you pan-veterans think about that?
Since that was like 2 days ago (and they don't look much different), I pasteurized now 50/50 peat/verm for the casinglayer. Only going to apply it on my mono, I think my Wpoo Shoebox might be bacterial, has a little bit a sour smell to it. But I will just leave that one for now and look what happens in a week or two. I think it's a loss ^^
But aside of that, just making those two made me realize how I could do it better next time Still got some myc on agar though.
The temperature range should be fine for colonization, but I did usually colonize the bulk in fruiting temps, so in the upper 70s.
It's hard to tell from photos, but the Wpoo tub looked dry to me, but like I said, I can't really tell. (I saw the walls of the tub didn't look dry, only the substrate.) The other tub looks kind of off, but all you can do is case it and see.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: partiallywhole] 3
#28075770 - 11/30/22 09:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] 5
#28075784 - 11/30/22 09:39 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hey spammer bot, enjoy your ban.
They did that in many threads. My guess would be too lazy to try and make descent posts to reach their 50 posts and access marketplace.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rusty2096]
#28075813 - 11/30/22 10:04 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys,
I have a question mainly for you experienced Pan heads.
As you may know, I haven't been successful with my Bunnell Pans for over a year now. My friend who I have them from is also having big trouble. This happened all of a sudden. At first everything went great, they colonzied and fruited like a miracle, and after just a couple of generations the myc is kinda weak and won't fruit.
Did this happen to anyone else with Pan Cyans? Doesn't sound right to me that this would happen after 3-4 generations.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#28075948 - 11/30/22 11:35 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Not as experienced as many here though I’ve been having the same situation with the RDU, only on 3rd generation but every generation has been an experience. I find myself having to dig through several germination plates until I get one that’s decent. I don’t have this issue with bisporus or other cyans I’ve run only this damn RDU. My guess is it’s just extra finicky or having a hard time adjusting to the environment I can provide. Has anything in your process changed at all? Mine would generally look great and the fizzle out when I g2g my masters to working. Switching to manure based spawn helped mitigate some issues and get some better consistency but even then gotta run several different sectors until I find one that’s good in fruiting, the spawn shift helped nearly everything at least getting to the point of being able to be fruited. I dunno if that helps at all, but your not alone.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
#28075956 - 11/30/22 11:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks. I havent changed anything and many of my late attempts even colonized well but they just didnt fruit, for no apparent reason.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#28076011 - 11/30/22 12:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Could just be a string of bad luck, at least that’s what I’ve been telling myself when it happens, perseverance is your best friend! Also this may sound weird and non scientific but I’ve noticed a correlation between my success with the RDU and my relative stress, they seem more sensitive to outside factors like that. Probably the discouragement of the failure gets passed down through subconscious issues and mistakes. Have you tried going back to the generation that went well? Maybe that could definitively signal bad luck or give more insight to when the issue started presenting.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 3
#28076015 - 11/30/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Generally with other pans there are some lines of genetics that don't seem to fruit as happily as others. Not that I really took notes about this but for me it tends to be either a wave of good grows or a wave of under-performing depending on what LC was used to inoculte. This is probably just a good example how genetic selection from MS plates can play tricks on us as it is often overlooked as cause of failed grows and then something else is thought out to be the culprit.
I have to admit though that one year of failure it a long time but if they have been performing well to start with then I have a hard time to believe that all goes down after only a few generations.
Troubleshooting is a bitch in this hobby.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 5
#28076019 - 11/30/22 12:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Troubleshooting is a bitch in this hobby.
Aint that the truth. So. Many. Variables.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28076022 - 11/30/22 12:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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What’s the consensus on millet or rye/wheat/oats for pans?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#28076028 - 11/30/22 12:15 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yes.
JK! So far, I have used WBS, (mostly milo and millet), as well as oats. I'm new to oats, but so far so good!
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