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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sillypj]
#28017244 - 10/26/22 09:27 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I assume you are running a 2'x4'x6' with a 4" blower fan. Are you running it at around 5 or higher lower? I'm running that set up myself with a cycle of 1.5 mins (HOH 9-Head w/lg HOH fan set to 50%) with the last 0.5 mins overlapped by a three minute run of a 4" blower set to 5 followed by a 25min break. The sensor reads darn near 100% most the time, but when I try to utilize the sensor and adjust settings to get the reading to create those nice peaks and valleys on the app it seems to dry my sub out too quickly.
**EDIT** Ahh.. I see you are running a booster fan on a separate control setting to pull the humidity down in between vent cycles..
I am running a 9 or 12 head HOH, with a 120mm fan on the absolute lowest setting I can. That, along with a bathroom fan pulling out CO2 at the bottom of the tent, run for 15 min. A separate 6” infinity with a HEPA filter (don’t ask me why I got the 6”) fan runs at level 1 (barely any movement) any time the humidity is over 85. It blows in (sideways) from the top and I have one of the openings in the tent open at the bottom to allow air to escape. I will say, the Infinity controller and sensor are VERY fast to respond. Not like the other cheap ones I have used. You so much as crack the tent open and it will tell on you.
I tried shorter ON times initially but the sub dried out almost immediately. I am not showing any standing water on my 2 trays in the chamber right now.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PanMax] 2
#28017251 - 10/26/22 09:31 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I have done both 15 minute cycles and 30 minute cycles. For the size tent I have, both work, but I am still gathering data to see which is better. And of course, your on/off times will vary substantially based on the fogger, tubing diameter, tubing distance, humidifier chamber size, fan size and speed, tent size, vent strength, etc etc etc. Everyone will need to find a cycle that works in their specific setup - there is no one-size-fits-all. At the highest level, you want some duration of humidification to both humidify the air and water your substrate, followed by a venting cycle to remove excess moisture, followed by a longer resting duration that allows that added moisture to evaporate off the substrate.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28017281 - 10/26/22 09:48 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed and Agreed.. It's a tough task to get it dialed just right. I have done several different setups to date, and successfully dialed them all in (my last before this martha project in photo below, worked well too). Its soo nerve racking to put all the effort into getting to the point of fruiting and then fumble. I will admit the failed runs have taught me how to be better at all the steps leading up to the fruiting stage. My latest batch came from a G2G from a prior run, a first for me. I simply dropped a bit into new jars as I prepared my trays. It seems to have worked well.
Here's a three tier tub system I used for awhile. It uses a bathroom fan to vacuum the tubs once every 20 mins for 1 minute. Reptifogger was set to 95% and worked well on its own to keep the humidity right in the 85-95% range. This was actually a very easy set and forget system.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sillypj] 13
#28017396 - 10/26/22 11:04 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It is a little early to say for sure, but I'm pretty excited about this so couldn't resist giving an update - it is looking like I am going to FINALLY get a good F3 fruiting of my white pans. They are the 2nd and 5th pic in my signature. Leucistic not albino, but they don't drop spores and the gills are nearly colorless which adds to the white-look of the fruits. I have been stuck on F3 for around 9-12 months I think, I have no clone culture of ANY of the previous generations (long story), and the swabs I had of F2 were doing really weird shit on agar, and the few I'd get to grain on just didn't perform or do what I was looking for. I decided to try some pan-cakes to see if I could cast a wider net on genetics and go faster. It seems to have worked though the speed has been slower than Agar->Grain->Trays. But, I'm happy to say I have a cake in the tent now that has fruits that are about half-way grown and they are looking exactly like what I've been aiming for and it's a great flush (for a cake). The cake is straw/verm/manure/BRF.
I will post a pic once the fruits reach maturity. Very excited to be able to get a clone of this and also to move on to F4. It does seem that I will be able to finally stabilize this phenotype.
Older pics from F0 generation below.
Normal pans on the left, white pans on the right, for comparison purposes:

View of the gills:

One more view:
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#28017465 - 10/26/22 11:47 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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That’s exciting! We’ll done those are looking fucking awesome. Bet that feels good after such a long time bri g stuck!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#28017491 - 10/26/22 12:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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0t0lerance said: Hi all, planning to do a cinema visit with a friend on 0.25gr pan bisporus. What would you recommend as a booster dose after an hour in? I was thinking about an 0,08gr capsule I have laying around.. but I expect it to be too weak to make any impact. (or just take them together and go for a lvl 1 trip? I expect the 0,25 to equal 1gr cubes.. but I know bisporus are wickedly potent, I don't want to overdo it for a cinema visit)
If they're dry, they are not so extremely potent. 0.25g sounds good. I'd forget a booster and just enjoy the ride.
Dry yes, noted, will do, thank you for the advice.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28017511 - 10/26/22 12:30 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Nice work Hindsight. Hope you will get them where you want them to be.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 10
#28017524 - 10/26/22 12:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28017538 - 10/26/22 12:45 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28017568 - 10/26/22 01:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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That's so impressive! I love how you are showing how easy it can be to grow pans. I'm sure the automated setups deter some people from ever trying to grow them, either due to the upfront cost or simply not having the space. This shows none of that is necessary unless one wants higher quantity.
Great work!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28017641 - 10/26/22 01:54 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I love seeing these bottle grows. Nice work. They don't do well in my tent - too much water... the water runs down inside and floods the bottom.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#28017681 - 10/26/22 02:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: It is a little early to say for sure, but I'm pretty excited about this so couldn't resist giving an update - it is looking like I am going to FINALLY get a good F3 fruiting of my white pans. They are the 2nd and 5th pic in my signature. Leucistic not albino, but they don't drop spores and the gills are nearly colorless which adds to the white-look of the fruits. I have been stuck on F3 for around 9-12 months I think, I have no clone culture of ANY of the previous generations (long story), and the swabs I had of F2 were doing really weird shit on agar, and the few I'd get to grain on just didn't perform or do what I was looking for. I decided to try some pan-cakes to see if I could cast a wider net on genetics and go faster. It seems to have worked though the speed has been slower than Agar->Grain->Trays. But, I'm happy to say I have a cake in the tent now that has fruits that are about half-way grown and they are looking exactly like what I've been aiming for and it's a great flush (for a cake). The cake is straw/verm/manure/BRF.
I will post a pic once the fruits reach maturity. Very excited to be able to get a clone of this and also to move on to F4. It does seem that I will be able to finally stabilize this phenotype.
Older pics from F0 generation below.
Normal pans on the left, white pans on the right, for comparison purposes:

View of the gills:

One more view:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
#28017781 - 10/26/22 03:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Remind me again Hindsight what these whities are, Nec-D?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 4
#28017820 - 10/26/22 03:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It has been a while since i grew pans and i think i have a humidity problem. Can i get some advice on this growth pattern?
Also when i checked the pH of the casing it was over 8. I also put them directly into my auto fruiting chamber after casing.
      
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 4
#28017920 - 10/26/22 04:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Remind me again Hindsight what these whities are, Nec-D?
That's correct.
Thanks for the kind words Myc Hunt!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Ratatoskr] 2
#28018312 - 10/26/22 08:06 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Ratatoskr said: It has been a while since i grew pans and i think i have a humidity problem. Can i get some advice on this growth pattern?
Also when i checked the pH of the casing it was over 8. I also put them directly into my auto fruiting chamber after casing.
       
Seeing some moist, glistening caps and others that cracked from being too dry which indicates uneven humidity distribution or FAE hot spots. I would probably help the martha pros if you describe or show how you have hooked up your tent and give some details about fogger/fan size and cycle times.
Some of the trays are looking good they must be sitting in your tent's sweet spot. Taking clones can improve your grows quite a bit in terms of surface coverage.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28018352 - 10/26/22 08:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Plus, check out the tray in the 3rd pic, towards the back of the tray. That might be some green currently erupting. Edit: I forgot to say great job. Once you mod it and get better distribution, you'll really be swimming in pans.
Edited by ruawakeyet (10/26/22 08:44 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#28018585 - 10/27/22 01:05 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Hi all
Long time lurker, first time poster. I've got Alabama spores on 2% LME agar at present but looks like there is zero germination taking place after 5 days. Will give it a few more days but losing hope. I've tried these before for approx 10 days (in cooler temps which I thought was the issue) and nothing grew then either.
Both of these sets of spores were from the same vendor who seems to be the only one who does Pan Cyan swabs in UK.
Wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of getting diff Pan Cyan prints in UK?
Was going to sign up to gordotek's patreon to get some Estero but unsure if even he ships to UK
Thanks
Edited by Potamoose (10/27/22 01:26 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Potamoose] 1
#28019030 - 10/27/22 09:59 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Potamoose said: Hi all
Long time lurker, first time poster. I've got Alabama spores on 2% LME agar at present but looks like there is zero germination taking place after 5 days. Will give it a few more days but losing hope. I've tried these before for approx 10 days (in cooler temps which I thought was the issue) and nothing grew then either.
Both of these sets of spores were from the same vendor who seems to be the only one who does Pan Cyan swabs in UK.
Wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of getting diff Pan Cyan prints in UK?
Was going to sign up to gordotek's patreon to get some Estero but unsure if even he ships to UK
Thanks
Welcome!
In case you haven't kept very up to date on this thread, go back the past 4 or 5 pages and check out some of the posts regarding:
Scotay and I both have some spores that won't germinate. Mine is even also Alabama, but it came from a print, not a swab.
Also, there's been discussion surrounding the estero. IMO, it is starting to sound like a source of estero prints might be compromised in terms of genetics or contamination. (My speculation / conjecture at this time.)
Potamoose, check your PMs. I sent you a link to my favorite vendor. I checked, they do ship to UK.
(For everyone reading here:) Update on my cow digestive system simulation test: So far, I still have no germination. A plate was held at 101 degrees F for 48 hours, then returned to room temperature. I never doubted what Adas said, (basically when they're toast, they're toast.) but I did have to complete my test anyway, to eliminate all doubt in my mind so that I can move on with 100% certainty. I haven't tossed the plates yet, but I have zero expectation that any of my Alabama spores are viable. I'm giving them a few more days just to say I gave my test the fullest opportunity to work, then I will toss them and unfortunately, my Alabama print. (Unless I can make some art from it or something...)
Edited by ruawakeyet (10/27/22 10:04 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#28019254 - 10/27/22 11:49 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks Ruawakeyet, much appreciated
Shame to hear that about the estero
Will grab a print of some different cyans and see how get on, just seen some more additions that can be made to agar recipe which will hopefully help
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