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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] 3
#28004779 - 10/18/22 02:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Myc Hunt said:Why did I not start growing these sooner!?

I feel the exact same way! Technically I tried a long time ago, and failed twice. Once I put in the time to learn it really wasn't that hard after all.
The first time I got a tray to fruit, I was blown away at how fast the waves came in. I swear I could get around 3 waves of pans to one flush of cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#28004829 - 10/18/22 02:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Adas said: 35 mushrooms. 1.3g - My biggest Bisporus flush yet. Total yield from the container so far: ~3.5g

The caps looked.. ethereal, for the lack of better words. As I moved them, they seemed to do this light polarizing effect, like reflection from a road, but in black. Coolest mushrooms ever!
Damn those rings are looking real good! Do you know what the condition is for that? I notice only some of mine get that ring, mostly when it’s drier I think? Cause some mature to clamshells caps still jet black. I love the look of the ring though. We’ll done!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 4
#28004834 - 10/18/22 02:44 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Nice stuff MH and Adas, love the low-tech shroomies.
Pretty sure now that the "dirty coir" was messing up a few of my grows here. Just had to throw away another tub. The last three were colonizing perfectly and would sit there after casing for days without forming knots or just a tiny single cluster. Eventually triching out about 6 days after casing.
Always only used bucket tech to prep the coir and mix with the pasteurized stuff but now I want to pasteurize everything together. Will have to build a bigger pasteurizer out of a presto, an inkbird and a hotplate cause my desktop sous vide/slow cooker is too small for all the substrate. This kept me thinking and now I'm considering using 100% horse manure.
Speaking of H-manure. I have used manure that was just dried but not aged most of the time. The only real drawback I see with this is that the texture is not as good cause non aged manure tends to be muddier.
Some RDU spawn is not too far away.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28004842 - 10/18/22 02:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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That’s interesting baba, I wonder if diet plays a role in the muddier texture? From the pile a take from I find the fresher manure that’s only sun dried to be more fluffy and aerobic than aged broken down stuff. Makes me think about diet, I’m remembering a story someone once told me of cultivating from goat manure that was feeding off spent substrate blocks. But I’m just thinking out loud.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 2
#28004846 - 10/18/22 02:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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kirkeng said: Damn those rings are looking real good! Do you know what the condition is for that? I notice only some of mine get that ring, mostly when it’s drier I think? Cause some mature to clamshells caps still jet black. I love the look of the ring though. We’ll done!
Thanks mate! Yes the caps are highly hygrophanous. Ones that are a bit dry can turn all the way white (aside from spore deposit, ofc).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] 2
#28004901 - 10/18/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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kirkeng said: That’s interesting baba, I wonder if diet plays a role in the muddier texture? From the pile a take from I find the fresher manure that’s only sun dried to be more fluffy and aerobic than aged broken down stuff. Makes me think about diet, I’m remembering a story someone once told me of cultivating from goat manure that was feeding off spent substrate blocks. But I’m just thinking out loud.
That might be a factor. I will have to keep a mental record of texture in relation to how the manure was aged/treated. Haven't used any manure for a while now and it can well be that my memory is playing tricks on me and I am confusing things here.
I just pulled out a bucket of formerly fresh stuff that I had under my porch for a year and the texture is not bad, will try this for a 100% manure grow. Also got 3 full bags of 3 month old H-manure under my porch, it's still like fresh manure minus the smell. I used some of it to put the first outdoor bucket together which is Wild Coast oat spawn sandwiched between two layer of that 3 month old manure kept in a bag and covered with straw. This was done 5 days ago and the grain has fluffed up quite a bit.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sillypj] 6
#28005337 - 10/18/22 07:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: The Jarthas, (JakeOnCid's version of a Martha Stewart Greenhouse) are fairly easy to keep dialed in, as long as you have good control of your ambient environment. Hindsight details this very well in his latest journal write-up, and speaks to the importance of it.
I think most growers will begin trying to dial in their tent setup with empty trays while their grain or sub colonizes. That way they are at least close after spending a few days running it and monitoring the surface conditions on the empty trays.
I hope you don't give up on the JCM FC yet. I've seen a lot of killer canopies come out of them. I think regardless of what kind of FC is used, ambient environment control is critical to the function of the FC.
I think your right.. Its time to focus on the ambient temp and give the tent another shot.. I have a couple tiny pins forming now, but at day 11 I am not sure how much more joy I should expect with the run. Here are a couple more photos from tonight, you can see the classic bluing on the myc now too.

Update on this Estero Clone grow. These have now reached over seven inches high. Still super spotty, but really impressive sized. I already taken clones at a couple that reached the ceiling of the tub.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sillypj]
#28005382 - 10/18/22 07:25 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah!!!! I'm stoked for you, it's all up from here! Those are developing very nicely, so just keep the conditions as close to what you have as you can. I see quite a few new pins as well!!!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sillypj] 1
#28005767 - 10/19/22 03:14 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Sillypj said:
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ruawakeyet said: The Jarthas, (JakeOnCid's version of a Martha Stewart Greenhouse) are fairly easy to keep dialed in, as long as you have good control of your ambient environment. Hindsight details this very well in his latest journal write-up, and speaks to the importance of it.
I think most growers will begin trying to dial in their tent setup with empty trays while their grain or sub colonizes. That way they are at least close after spending a few days running it and monitoring the surface conditions on the empty trays.
I hope you don't give up on the JCM FC yet. I've seen a lot of killer canopies come out of them. I think regardless of what kind of FC is used, ambient environment control is critical to the function of the FC.
I think your right.. Its time to focus on the ambient temp and give the tent another shot.. I have a couple tiny pins forming now, but at day 11 I am not sure how much more joy I should expect with the run. Here are a couple more photos from tonight, you can see the classic bluing on the myc now too.

Update on this Estero Clone grow. These have now reached over seven inches high. Still super spotty, but really impressive sized. I already taken clones at a couple that reached the ceiling of the tub.

Some nice thick stipes on them by the looks of it as well!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#28006461 - 10/19/22 01:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Adas said: Of course.
Don't ever doubt my active ID skills again 
No, seriously, I've grown my fair fuckin share of outdoor Bisporus. I could ID them from half a mile away.
I love the fact that people here have a great sense of humor while we learn!!! Makes it so much more fun and interesting along the way.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#28006469 - 10/19/22 01:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Hi Scotay,
I honestly can't answer your question, because I've not grown either of them. I've seen pictures of great grows of both, so I don't think you can go wrong with either of them.
Have a great day!!!
Hey brother. Thanks for the heads up! I'm pretty much sold on the fact that there is no loser with the pans. I just want enough for me and my other half and a couple friends. Appreciate you taking the time to answer!! Happy Wednesday friends and neighbors!! 😎✌️
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28006478 - 10/19/22 01:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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kirkeng said: That’s interesting baba, I wonder if diet plays a role in the muddier texture? From the pile a take from I find the fresher manure that’s only sun dried to be more fluffy and aerobic than aged broken down stuff. Makes me think about diet, I’m remembering a story someone once told me of cultivating from goat manure that was feeding off spent substrate blocks. But I’m just thinking out loud.
That might be a factor. I will have to keep a mental record of texture in relation to how the manure was aged/treated. Haven't used any manure for a while now and it can well be that my memory is playing tricks on me and I am confusing things here.
I just pulled out a bucket of formerly fresh stuff that I had under my porch for a year and the texture is not bad, will try this for a 100% manure grow. Also got 3 full bags of 3 month old H-manure under my porch, it's still like fresh manure minus the smell. I used some of it to put the first outdoor bucket together which is Wild Coast oat spawn sandwiched between two layer of that 3 month old manure kept in a bag and covered with straw. This was done 5 days ago and the grain has fluffed up quite a bit.

Baba.... It would be interesting to see 100% manure. That little mix you got going on looks pretty good too! Hope it blows up for you guy!! Happy Wednesday to you!! 😎✌️
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sillypj]
#28006606 - 10/19/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Sillypj said: Update on this Estero Clone grow. These have now reached over seven inches high. Still super spotty, but really impressive sized. I already taken clones at a couple that reached the ceiling of the tub.

Excellent looking fruits, Sillypj. When I get less fruits on a flush, they do tend to get larger. It's like their are putting all the colony energy into less fruits so they grow into big boys.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Awestruck]
#28006811 - 10/19/22 05:45 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So I have my tent set up. I am at day 2 and 3 of fruiting. I am seeing the sides pull away a little. It’s hard keeping the mister going to provide water but also having is evaporate out to give it the “cycling” it needs. How long before I should see pins?




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PanMax]
#28006837 - 10/19/22 06:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I would expect pins no earlier than around 5 days, but often times it can take longer.
Why don't you upload your photos to shroomery? The outside links take longer to view the photos than it should.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#28006850 - 10/19/22 06:14 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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How do I do that? (Upload)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PanMax]
#28006853 - 10/19/22 06:18 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Click "Pics" under your name in the top left hand corner of the screen then click "upload", which will also appear toward the top left corner. Copy the URL it gives you after uploading and just paste it in here.
Dialing in the mister cycling/evaporation is the key. 4 days is fastest I think I ever saw pins, and slowest was 3 weeks. 10 days is most common for me.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#28006855 - 10/19/22 06:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Is some pull away normal? Is it still savable with more moisture? Do you also hand water?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#28006871 - 10/19/22 06:36 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: I would expect pins no earlier than around 5 days, but often times it can take longer.
Why don't you upload your photos to shroomery? The outside links take longer to view the photos than it should.
Now I remember. I couldn’t figure out how to get the image size below 512k!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PanMax] 1
#28006877 - 10/19/22 06:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Use a free image resizing tool.
It’s normal for substrate to pull away from the tray sides - as the mycelium consumes the substrate, it shrinks.
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