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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] * 4
    #27974000 - 09/29/22 01:45 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

The bags from my first go at Bisporus are still alive and well.



In mono with open bottom holes and a layer of water for humidity.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 1
    #27974092 - 09/29/22 02:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Sweet, similar approach to mine! :cheers:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 4
    #27974182 - 09/29/22 03:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Shameless double post from the tub thread. I hope no one minds.

Update on what is going on here. Starting off the season with a mix of experiments and being conventional although I should play it safer with the new varieties I'm playing
with at the moment. So far all the tubs and varieties have popped fruits although temps were low and some things like the bulk sub wasn't prepped on point.


Nec-D MS, fruited@spawn, 1:3, compost:coir 50:50, further increased FAE after 16 days, first knots after 18 days

today after 23 days:


not bad for a first run of Nec-D, the fruits are a bit spindly though but the pinset is alright. This tub took a long time to get to this point.
I am suspecting the sub being a bit too wet and maybe using coarser compost plays a role as well. Got one clone an agar so far.

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Nec-D MS, conventionally colonized, 1:3, compost:coir 50:50
Surface still not colonized 23 days after spawn



As said above the long time it took is probably due to bulk sub being over field capacity. Will run it dryer next time.
Interesting is that first pins are showing although the tub is still in colonization condition.



Must have been the long time. Once the surface is fully colonized I will put into fruiting or maybe let it run like this? Not sure,
kind off hurts my feeling s to see it like that.

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Wild Coast MS, conventionally colonizing, 1:3, Straw:compost:leached sawdust 50:25:25, 7 days after spawn



Wild Coast is moving at what I would call normal speed for a panaeolus. This will be run conventionally, meaning cased and fruited.

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Wild Coast MS, conventionally colonized, 1:3, compost:coir 50:50, fully colonized after 8 days, fruited uncased after 9 days

Today cased half of the surface after 14 day:



Cased it today as there are quite a few side and bottom pins forming while the surface isn't showing much action so far. Might get
an additional pointer in what direction to proceed by applying a late casing.

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Bunnell MS, conventionally colonized, 1:3, compost:coir 50:50, fully colonized after 14 days, cased and fruited after 15 days

Today after 23 days:



Fruits in this tub showed peeling and bruising on the stems and stems were also curling which suggested a fusarium infection. I wanted to throw this tub out but forgot it in
the hallway for a couple of days without misting and temperatures being ~13C at night and ~18C in the day. This seems to have helped and fruits are looking much better and
growing bigger caps as well. Instead of tossing it I gave a good mist but will leave it where it is, monitoring.....


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27974286 - 09/29/22 05:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Nice parameter layout and explanation! I'm impressed seeing you still running a host of different trials, and still documenting them so well.

I'm in the early phases of preparing agar currently, so I hope to have some plates swabbed in a day or two.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #27974579 - 09/29/22 08:44 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thanks, running some experiments is just too much fun to not be doing it. The best thing to document a grow is to write each step an a strip of masking tape stuck to the tub, all other methods didn't work for me.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27974760 - 09/29/22 10:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Just float it aye? I'm not quite sure if that's what you've done here. Regardless they look lovely!!
Well done!! 😎✌️




No, the water is in the tub, not the mushroom container itself.



Gotcha!!! I'm assuming it's for the evaporation?? As long as it's working!!! Gonna try SOMETHING on a small scale. I just don't have room for a tent. I do have experience with cubes but I know this pan game is a bit different. I'm going to give oats a try for grain and then to poop/straw.
Anybody with smaller setups got any cool pictures or good advice? Happy Thursday/Friday friends!! 😎✌️


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Scotay] * 4
    #27975128 - 09/30/22 09:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Hey Scotay

I self think i got a Small cool setup.





It's made after the russian member "Angam" growbox.
Look back at side 1245 in this thread to see how my west european Angam box work.
For a easy setup look at the "jmc chamber"
Wellcome and good luck.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: THE MYCOSMITH]
    #27975148 - 09/30/22 09:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Do pans pull alot of water/empty their substrate usually?
I dont have that impression


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27975163 - 09/30/22 09:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

IMO, pans get a lot of their water directly from the fruits, which is why fog or mist is so important. Mine seemed to need the substrate very wet at all times, (past colonization) but I don't know if that's where they source the water from.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #27975181 - 09/30/22 10:15 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

are you sayin pan fruits are sucking in water by themself? i thought the mycelia network supplied the water


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27975201 - 09/30/22 10:36 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Hey Scotay

I self think i got a Small cool setup.





It's made after the russian member "Angam" growbox.
Look back at side 1245 in this thread to see how my west european Angam box work.
For a easy setup look at the "jmc chamber"
Wellcome and good luck.




That's an awesome setup. I love seeing people maximizing their use of space. It looks well thought-out and cleanly put together too. Nice job.



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Do pans pull alot of water/empty their substrate usually?
I dont have that impression




I haven't seen that - the fruits are so small there isn't a lot of water needed, but I do find that pans pull moisture out of the casing layer.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27975284 - 09/30/22 12:03 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Cool experiment, Baba! IME 13-18C is VERY low for Pan Cyans. But if it works it works. I've experienced an infection that would splinter the stems before, but they fought it off after the first flush. I guess they have a great immune system.

Mycosmith, I agree with HS. Amazing, tidy setup you got there!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27975403 - 09/30/22 02:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

"are you sayin pan fruits are sucking in water by themself? i thought the mycelia network supplied the water"

I have wondered this before, but this is only my opinion. The only observation that makes me think this is from comparing the speed of evaporation of the glistening water on the fruits vs. the speed of evaporation of droplets on the casing layer; the trays; pretty much everything else around the fruits. I noticed that the fruits dry out before anything else. (That's running a fogger on a cycle timer to produce hydration and evaporation cycles, not different than JOC tek other exact equipment and timing.)

Hindsight said this: "I haven't seen that - the fruits are so small there isn't a lot of water needed, but I do find that pans pull moisture out of the casing layer."

I agree and think this is a better answer than mine. My substrates performed best when they were a little water logged in the bottom. If the substrate started to float in the tray, that was too much, and I had to drain them down. Even when the substrate was properly hydrated, the casing would sometimes dry out.


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Re: ΠžΡ„ΠΈΡ†ΠΈΠ°Π»ΡŒΠ½Π°Ρ Π½ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Copelandia / [Re: THE MYCOSMITH]
    #27975404 - 09/30/22 02:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Hey Scotay

I self think i got a Small cool setup.





It's made after the russian member "Angam" growbox.
Look back at side 1245 in this thread to see how my west european Angam box work.
For a easy setup look at the "jmc chamber"
Wellcome and good luck.




It's nice to see a like-minded person with engineering thinking! Wonderful boxing and judging by the growth of the mushroom-a great setup.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: THE MYCOSMITH]
    #27975428 - 09/30/22 02:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Quote:

THE MYCOSMITH said:
Hey Scotay

I self think i got a Small cool setup.





It's made after the russian member "Angam" growbox.
Look back at side 1245 in this thread to see how my west european Angam box work.
For a easy setup look at the "jmc chamber"
Wellcome and good luck.



That's fuckin tight buddy! Well done. That's very nice. The search function actually works on here too so ty for the advice and the pictures. Happy Friday! Appreciate that man.😎✌️


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27975431 - 09/30/22 02:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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are you sayin pan fruits are sucking in water by themself? i thought the mycelia network supplied the water



I know several people who foliar feed their cannabis plants. Totally different but I'm sure mushrooms could draw from environment like that possibly. This discussion is the kinda shit I like reading!! Happy Friday friends and neighbors!! 😎✌️


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 3
    #27975435 - 09/30/22 02:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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are you sayin pan fruits are sucking in water by themself? i thought the mycelia network supplied the water



Depends what you mean by sucking in water. I watched my outdoor mexicana grow give me a beautiful real time display of what hygrophanous means.

Came home one day and shit was dry. The caps were all light golden brown. Gave them a mist, went inside to roll a joint. Came back out to smoke and the edges had turned back to that dark caramel brown. I watched them turn all the way back while smoking.

I assume that was direct absorption through the fruit


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    #27975474 - 09/30/22 03:21 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you guys

I have just ordering a bigger taraium but it will first be here at 1-3 month. And I pickup 50 New Jam glasses at the post office earlier today because i expect some new exotics prints to arrive next week. So i will not be bore this winter.

Hey Angam Nice you could look by. Here is My First copy of you grow box stranding in the middel of a littel Green house. It's a littel Hard to see but you kan see the fan on the left side and the pibe from the fogger going in at right side of the box.




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 6
    #27975792 - 09/30/22 07:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Cool experiment, Baba! IME 13-18C is VERY low for Pan Cyans. But if it works it works. I've experienced an infection that would splinter the stems before, but they fought it off after the first flush. I guess they have a great immune system.




I had this infection to various degrees now and since I don't do second flushes I have chucked out the tubs that had this
bad from the get go just to make room and start over. Maybe I will experiment with this more when I'm lead by different
questions. It's not much of a problem when it starts mid flush.

Having a cold snap since I posted this tub 24 hrs ago, last night it was a max of 10C and I doubt that temps will go past 15C
today. They are still growing quite a bit comparing to yesterdays photo. Even took away six caps for printing which one
can't really notice. They are not aborting so far but seem most of them have reached the end of their expansion and wont
be getting any bigger. Just gave em a good mist.

yesterday and today



The uncased F@S Nec-D is filling in more and more and growing tall but with smallish caps. Can't get enough looking
at them as this is the first OK grow since the break and the fruits do look like they are made of porcelain. In the
second photo you can see how the sub surface has dried out closer to the bottom holes during colonization. These spots
are way behind and fruits have started to pop up in these areas just now. Happy with the result.


Once the weather is getting better I will have to prep some H-manure to have a second bulk material as control since the
quality of the bagged compost could be way different this season but I am probably starting to put too much thought into
this to early. Should wait for some clones first.


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Quote:

smalltalk_canceled said:
Do pans pull alot of water/empty their substrate usually?
I dont have that impression




I haven't seen that - the fruits are so small there isn't a lot of water needed, but I do find that pans pull moisture out of the casing layer.





My thought as well and I hope this will become more apparent when running more uncased tubs or cased/uncased 50/50 tubs. 
The mycelium grows into the casing which seems to increase the surface area by a lot compared to a uncased surface which
is matting after a couple of mists. From what I have observed so far cased surfaces seem to be able to uptake more
moisture faster with all the hypae reaching into the casing.


Anyway, nice to see peeps coming together to grow some mush :wave:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27975930 - 09/30/22 10:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I'm planning my next grow, looking at the trays I have available, and wondering about substrate depth.

A couple of years ago, there was a consensus (at least by some) not to go over 2 1/2 inches deep with pan substrate. The trays I used before were 2 inches deep, and I liked having the casing layer right at the top of the tray.

I saw a while back that Jake and Hindsight started liking deeper substrates of 3 to almost 4 inches. (IIRC)

Are there any updates or recent thoughts on this? Does anyone think there is any reason to go more than 3 inches deep for pans?

I have one plastic tray that I'm excited to try for the first time, the same kind Jake uses a lot. It is exactly 3 inches deep, and more square than the shallow glass trays, hence even more volume. I would love to see larger fruits, and/or an increase in yield, and don't mind using more bulk sub per tray.

Unless I hear otherwise, I will plan on sourcing more of these trays. Having those lids is going to be so much better than covering trays with foil!

I'm also considering trying a hpoo and verm substrate, minus the straw for the first time. I have plenty of it that is now well over a year old. I'm probably going to get OCD and pick out any grains that I can find. I really want a clean bulk substrate that I know only needs pasteurization, and I want to stop losing half my trays to green. If I ever get there, I'll ease up on the OCD one step at a time and see if it still works.

Last question: The latest I had read most growers have stopped using gypsum or lime with manure, correct? Any change there? I used a little of both every time I have used bulk substrate, but if it's not necessary I would rather skip it.


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