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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 1
#27853441 - 07/07/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Sampled this small amount:
 Was around 0.3gr equivalent of cubensis. I always yawn, also with a microdose.. this felt different.. no yawning but jaw tension. Anyone noticed this?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance]
#27853641 - 07/07/22 01:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I get the jaw tension from microdoses of pans, yes. I don't know if I have ever microdosed cubes though so I can't compare the experience.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#27854235 - 07/08/22 01:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Some Pan cyan Weza pins in the jcm
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers] 3
#27854265 - 07/08/22 02:42 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hi Folks It’s been a good long while since I’ve grown anything and even longer since I’ve grown Pans and still longer since I posted… Well at Jake’s suggestion I hit a certain vendor up for that Komodo print and have managed to get what looks like an ok culture going. I spawned a bag of grain to a bag of chopped straw and horse poo today and I’m hoping I manage to fruit some and crossing my fingers I get the same pheno that Jake got with the wavy caps. I also went to a different vendor who swears up and down they have the real deal Tropicalis and I have a grain bag of that almost ready to go. Fingers crossed I remember how to fruit pans …
I hope everyone is doing well.

Zero Tolerance I had the same issues last winter in my cold garage. You can stop the dripping by insulating the lid from the cold air. A layer of bubble wrap and a towel did the trick for me…
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] 1
#27854353 - 07/08/22 06:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Welcome to the pan club. Post some pics of your results! Looking forward to seeing what you end up with.
On another note, I’m fed up with the Instapot pasteurization method I’ve relied on 100% for the last year or more. Instapot claims the keep warm setting holds good at 140-165, but I am not sure if it tends to vary from one batch of pots to another due to manufacturing variances or what but after a 12 hour cycle, my core temps are always 145. Apparently that’s just not high enough to kill off everything because I once had mold of some sort appear after 3-5 days in a pasteurized bag, and I still see a seed or two sprout in a tray on occasion. I would like to get my core temps to 165 or 170, and I don’t like the babysitting or the restricted batch size associated with the standard pot on a stove technique so I sprung for a power steamer, a pair of thermostats and a big 150qt cooler that I will build a steam pasteurizer with. The idea is to have one thermostat to keep the air in the cooler at 170 by cycling the steamer and another thermostat probe stuck into the substrate core that will shut the whole thing off once the core temp hits the target temp. Will post some pics when it’s done.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27854371 - 07/08/22 06:42 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: Welcome to the pan club. Post some pics of your results! Looking forward to seeing what you end up with.
On another note, I’m fed up with the Instapot pasteurization method I’ve relied on 100% for the last year or more. Instapot claims the keep warm setting holds good at 140-165, but I am not sure if it tends to vary from one batch of pots to another due to manufacturing variances or what but after a 12 hour cycle, my core temps are always 145. Apparently that’s just not high enough to kill off everything because I once had mold of some sort appear after 3-5 days in a pasteurized bag, and I still see a seed or two sprout in a tray on occasion. I would like to get my core temps to 165 or 170, and I don’t like the babysitting or the restricted batch size associated with the standard pot on a stove technique so I sprung for a power steamer, a pair of thermostats and a big 150qt cooler that I will build a steam pasteurizer with. The idea is to have one thermostat to keep the air in the cooler at 170 by cycling the steamer and another thermostat probe stuck into the substrate core that will shut the whole thing off once the core temp hits the target temp. Will post some pics when it’s done.
Hey Hindsight,
Frankly I've pasteurized substrate today and kept track of what happened (Inkbird) - 3l of water - 8l of substrate devided over 3 bags - bottom 2 have a probe in the centre - full heat, turned of at 58 celcius


Frankly the temp did not go as high as last time, probably because I added a 3rd bag in there.. so with 3 bags I need to wait a bit longer before I shut off the stove. After 45min I turned on the stove back on for 5minutes to bump the temp a bit. - temp peaked at 78,5 celcius.
It's now 14:35 and the core temp was still 63 celcius.. so that is more than 3 hours. It does not feel like babysitting to me.. but who knows maybe it helps, I feel your frustration.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27854395 - 07/08/22 07:12 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: Hi Folks It’s been a good long while since I’ve grown anything and even longer since I’ve grown Pans and still longer since I posted… Well at Jake’s suggestion I hit a certain vendor up for that Komodo print and have managed to get what looks like an ok culture going. I spawned a bag of grain to a bag of chopped straw and horse poo today and I’m hoping I manage to fruit some and crossing my fingers I get the same pheno that Jake got with the wavy caps. I also went to a different vendor who swears up and down they have the real deal Tropicalis and I have a grain bag of that almost ready to go. Fingers crossed I remember how to fruit pans …
I hope everyone is doing well.

Zero Tolerance I had the same issues last winter in my cold garage. You can stop the dripping by insulating the lid from the cold air. A layer of bubble wrap and a towel did the trick for me…
Good to see your post here! Could you elaborate a bit more on how you insulated it?
You actually wrapped the lid? (but that would block the holes in the lid right.. so I think you didn't do that) or did you wrap the FC itself to retain the heat near the lid and prevent condensation on the lid?
I was also looking at JCM's thread and notice the lights on top.. heat from the lights will also warm up the lid and prevent condensation. I'm a bit reluctant to use a towel, as they only get indirect light from the window and are partially shaded. I'll buy a better stand in the future to get them closer to the light
frankly temps her in NL are going up and down.. +10 degrees celcius one day.. and the other day rain.. I'm curious as I do notice aborts, I took a picture with flash yesterday map when the pans were hit by water. But it does not by default mean the'll abort. Some which were hit are fine.. maybe after repeated dripping they abort? not sure.. I also fiddled with the lid and fan so I'm still developing my "fingerspitzengefühl"

I'll take my losses for now.. it's part of learning gow to grow them. One tray is pinning like mad:

.. in a bit more than I week I will have to retire them anyways due to holiday plans.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance]
#27854586 - 07/08/22 10:19 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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0t0lerance said:
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Hindsight said: Welcome to the pan club. Post some pics of your results! Looking forward to seeing what you end up with.
On another note, I’m fed up with the Instapot pasteurization method I’ve relied on 100% for the last year or more. Instapot claims the keep warm setting holds good at 140-165, but I am not sure if it tends to vary from one batch of pots to another due to manufacturing variances or what but after a 12 hour cycle, my core temps are always 145. Apparently that’s just not high enough to kill off everything because I once had mold of some sort appear after 3-5 days in a pasteurized bag, and I still see a seed or two sprout in a tray on occasion. I would like to get my core temps to 165 or 170, and I don’t like the babysitting or the restricted batch size associated with the standard pot on a stove technique so I sprung for a power steamer, a pair of thermostats and a big 150qt cooler that I will build a steam pasteurizer with. The idea is to have one thermostat to keep the air in the cooler at 170 by cycling the steamer and another thermostat probe stuck into the substrate core that will shut the whole thing off once the core temp hits the target temp. Will post some pics when it’s done.
Hey Hindsight,
Frankly I've pasteurized substrate today and kept track of what happened (Inkbird) - 3l of water - 8l of substrate devided over 3 bags - bottom 2 have a probe in the centre - full heat, turned of at 58 celcius


Frankly the temp did not go as high as last time, probably because I added a 3rd bag in there.. so with 3 bags I need to wait a bit longer before I shut off the stove. After 45min I turned on the stove back on for 5minutes to bump the temp a bit. - temp peaked at 78,5 celcius.
It's now 14:35 and the core temp was still 63 celcius.. so that is more than 3 hours. It does not feel like babysitting to me.. but who knows maybe it helps, I feel your frustration.
The babysitting comment is more about figuring out, for a given water volume size, and a given substrate amount, you have to manually figure out how long to let the water boil (almost to boil, all the way to boil, or x minutes after boiling) before shutting the burner off, in order to get the desired core temp. And that will change based on the above variables. I rarely pasteurize the same exact amount of substrate or casing each time - it varies - and sometimes I would like to do more than just pressure cooker or giant stock pot could hold. This is where the steam pasteurizer comes in. Plug it in, set your temp, walk away, and no matter how much or little sub you are processing, or what it is made of, you'll get it every time and the system shuts off when done. I could set it on Friday at 5pm, leave for the weekend, and come back Monday to pasteurized sub that was then aged for 2 days. The only down side is the cost to build the thing and the time it takes to build it (time will be low though). Cost is probably going to be around $200.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27854691 - 07/08/22 11:57 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hindsight said:
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0t0lerance said:
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Hindsight said: Welcome to the pan club. Post some pics of your results! Looking forward to seeing what you end up with.
On another note, I’m fed up with the Instapot pasteurization method I’ve relied on 100% for the last year or more. Instapot claims the keep warm setting holds good at 140-165, but I am not sure if it tends to vary from one batch of pots to another due to manufacturing variances or what but after a 12 hour cycle, my core temps are always 145. Apparently that’s just not high enough to kill off everything because I once had mold of some sort appear after 3-5 days in a pasteurized bag, and I still see a seed or two sprout in a tray on occasion. I would like to get my core temps to 165 or 170, and I don’t like the babysitting or the restricted batch size associated with the standard pot on a stove technique so I sprung for a power steamer, a pair of thermostats and a big 150qt cooler that I will build a steam pasteurizer with. The idea is to have one thermostat to keep the air in the cooler at 170 by cycling the steamer and another thermostat probe stuck into the substrate core that will shut the whole thing off once the core temp hits the target temp. Will post some pics when it’s done.
Hey Hindsight,
Frankly I've pasteurized substrate today and kept track of what happened (Inkbird) - 3l of water - 8l of substrate devided over 3 bags - bottom 2 have a probe in the centre - full heat, turned of at 58 celcius


Frankly the temp did not go as high as last time, probably because I added a 3rd bag in there.. so with 3 bags I need to wait a bit longer before I shut off the stove. After 45min I turned on the stove back on for 5minutes to bump the temp a bit. - temp peaked at 78,5 celcius.
It's now 14:35 and the core temp was still 63 celcius.. so that is more than 3 hours. It does not feel like babysitting to me.. but who knows maybe it helps, I feel your frustration.
The babysitting comment is more about figuring out, for a given water volume size, and a given substrate amount, you have to manually figure out how long to let the water boil (almost to boil, all the way to boil, or x minutes after boiling) before shutting the burner off, in order to get the desired core temp. And that will change based on the above variables. I rarely pasteurize the same exact amount of substrate or casing each time - it varies - and sometimes I would like to do more than just pressure cooker or giant stock pot could hold. This is where the steam pasteurizer comes in. Plug it in, set your temp, walk away, and no matter how much or little sub you are processing, or what it is made of, you'll get it every time and the system shuts off when done. I could set it on Friday at 5pm, leave for the weekend, and come back Monday to pasteurized sub that was then aged for 2 days. The only down side is the cost to build the thing and the time it takes to build it (time will be low though). Cost is probably going to be around $200.
O yes, I get that. In my case I also don't have much space for growing pans, so 8l of substrate will be more than I need for a few oven dishes (by the time that is done, the remaining substrate probably molded)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 1
#27855565 - 07/09/22 03:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hm, the pans are not looking good, at all.. I'm considering to just toss them as they all look malformed.. cracked stipes.. bacterial. All in all unhealthy. Despite the big holes in the lid massive ammounts of condensation.. and probably dripping on the fruits.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 2
#27855985 - 07/09/22 12:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Bisporus MS tub, not the prettiest but showing some love. I might try to take a clone on the next flush?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#27855991 - 07/09/22 12:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I would keep both those tubs wetter, the biggest thing for me learning pans was not being afraid to soak them. I always thought I was going to drown them being so used to cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] 5
#27856093 - 07/09/22 01:29 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So jazzed I have a big boy to clone!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers] 1
#27856766 - 07/09/22 10:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever grown the Pan Cyan Jalisco * Peace River cross? If so tell me everything you know! LoL I can't find any record of it even existing aside from the culture I have...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cheor]
#27856926 - 07/10/22 04:19 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I was just looking at a spore vendor who had this variety the other day and was considering collecting a sample.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LulzSwag] 2
#27856995 - 07/10/22 07:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So, PsiloPsychIn, I'm going to follow your suggestion now; adding insulation to the JCM FC. added 2 layers of bubble wrap on the sides and bottom. Hopefully this will do the trick. Apart from that lowering the heater from 29 to 27 celcius, hopefully that will also help a bit.
I was reading some advice from jcm about lowering the temp to match the room temp to prevent condensation other users encountered. Apart form that the insulated fc should retain heat better so lowering the temp seems ok to me.

Harvested the shitty looking mushrooms.. probably they will still be edible dried. left the ok looking ones on the cake. No sign of contam to hopefully the third flush will be better. Unfortunately the scissors did not arrive on time.. so made a knife razor sharp, which worked wonderfully.
Drilled some holes in plexiglass, very curious what the result will be tomorrow.

Fingers crossed..
EDIT: Forgot to mention.. I'm also trying print some caps if anyone is interested. variety: Estero
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance]
#27857458 - 07/10/22 02:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hey 0to
The ideer with the bubble plast and towel is to make a termo effect on the lid to avoid condensation on the lid. First a lay of bubble plast with bubbles down so air can escape between bubbles and then a towel over. And do 1 separat peices of bubble plast pr box so you not are blowing air from one box to the other. Remove B. Plast from the sides to allow condensation to happen on sides and not on lid.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: THE MYCOSMITH]
#27857613 - 07/10/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys. Can anyone who has had sucess reccomend a good panaeolus cyanscens Jamaica spore print vendor. I would really like to get started. Thank you
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: THE MYCOSMITH]
#27858139 - 07/11/22 12:45 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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THE MYCOSMITH said: Hey 0to
The ideer with the bubble plast and towel is to make a termo effect on the lid to avoid condensation on the lid. First a lay of bubble plast with bubbles down so air can escape between bubbles and then a towel over. And do 1 separat peices of bubble plast pr box so you not are blowing air from one box to the other. Remove B. Plast from the sides to allow condensation to happen on sides and not on lid.
Hm then I misinterpreted the explanation indeed. But as an experiment, I just then wanted to share what happened:
 - temp setting: 27c (80.6f) - temp shed: 19c (66.2f) - temp fruits: 24-25c (75.2-77f) - temp lid: 22,5 (72.5f)
As can be seen no big water droplets have formed.. but it's very close to full saturation on the lid.. so this helped a bit, but it can barely keep up. Especially with colder weather I don't see this working to be honest. Much less water than with the normal lid with much larger holes though, it was wet all over.. and the fruits were soaked. This time, no droplets on the fruits.. However, thank you for correcting me mycosmith, I'll cut down the insulation up to the water level, so I didn't do it all for nothing and will indeed separate the lid into 2.. I don't have a triple-chip sawblade for cutting plexi, but I've cut this stuff in the past and will just go though it slowly and hopefully that will work out.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance]
#27858168 - 07/11/22 02:23 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hey 0to
Remove the insulation from sides above water level. You Will like to have colder sides than the lid so condensation happens on the sides. Condensation Will No matter happen on the coldest place which shut be the sides
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