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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers] * 1
    #27797262 - 05/29/22 04:28 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Holy shit mate! Glad you're alright. Bisporus is not to be fucked with, very potent. Although from all I've read so far people's experiences even on higher doses have been amazing. Maybe it was your set and setting, maybe you had coffee the same day or wahtever.

I wish you a fruitful integration and speedy recovery. Take it slow.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 5
    #27797375 - 05/29/22 07:41 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Wow Moopers that sounds miserable and reminds me of my first cube trip actually. First half was great but i took a second dose before the first one kicked in and when that second dose kicked in I was where you were. Took me many years before I tripped again. Now a days, every time I try a new variety or species I always start out with half a gram. Really helps me gauge potency and I have had a lot of really good trips on just half a gram. I’m glad you came out of it ok - I mean, we always do. Haven’t heard of anyone permanently losing their mind after mushrooms, but the experience in the moment can obviously be awful. Hope it doesn’t prevent you from trying again in the future and going with a lower dose.

A friend of mine took 2g of the bispos I grew about four days ago and sent me a long trip report. He also took some  MDMA with it and perhaps that helped make it a very positive trip but he said it was the highest he has ever been on mushrooms. He has a high tolerance and has been tripping for 15+ years. The hallucinations were to the point where he would see balls of light in his hand, and they would be shimmering and had jolts of light arcing out into the walls of the room around him. He could actually touch the balls of light and feel them and they would react to his touch. He said he couldn’t see his skin - it just turned into geometric patterns. Some sort of large entity with wings was constantly hovering just behind his shoulder, observing him through most of the trip but it wasn’t threatening - he said it felt like something that came through another dimension enabled by the mushrooms to just watch and observe him. He was confronted with the mortality of his kids and his own mortality as well, but he was able to maintain acceptance and focus on the message being that we should all live more in the moment because nothing in this life is guaranteed.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 3
    #27797383 - 05/29/22 07:56 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I get confronted with mortality on almost every one of my trips. Even this morning on 0.33g Nats. The topic is always very strong for me for some reason.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 3
    #27797434 - 05/29/22 08:54 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

It's usually the same with me Adas. Less-so with Tamps which is why I like them so much, but I did a full gram of them (Tamps) a month or so ago and while mortality didn't creep in, I had a lot of very similar ruminations about life and social dynamics with other people. I envy those who can just trip balls and stare at the pretty colors without all the ruminations. The ruminations are good in that they teach us things but sometimes you want a break from that and to just enjoy a light show.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 2
    #27797456 - 05/29/22 09:16 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Yet these things are ‘illegal’ and ‘illicit’ and ‘damaging’

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers] * 3
    #27797510 - 05/29/22 10:07 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

bispo are very potent! never tried 2gr already 1,2 was overwhelming for me, I usually advise my friends 0,5 and most enjoy already a lot at this dosage.. to be confronted psychologicaly to your own death can be life changing for the best by helpIng to deeply appreciate even more life, love & beauty of nature.. most «bad or overwhelming» trips can be harder to process & integrate but probably have more significant value than recreational ones... wish you a good integration! Personally more I know mushrooms more I fear & respect them...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L] * 2
    #27797611 - 05/29/22 11:51 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the kind words, everyone. I should have started with a much smaller dose for my first time with them. I generally have a higher tolerance than my friends, not getting as much visually, etc, and I thought the shroomery dosage calculator info for pan cyan would be equivalent for bisporus. From what you all are saying, seems like bispo is known to be more potent than pan cyan? If I had searched through this thread, maybe I would have found info telling me to be more cautious with it. Lesson learned!

I think I will be better on the other side of the integration. I've struggled with mortality anxiety for years, and shrooms have helped me develop the tools to make that go away when it would happen. But now I know death, and it's going to change me.

As far as being discouraged from doing them again at a smaller dose, at the moment I feel like I can't touch them again, part fear, part being responsible to myself. I know from past hard trips that if I don't digest what happened first, the next trips will be worse.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 3
    #27797715 - 05/29/22 12:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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It's usually the same with me Adas. Less-so with Tamps which is why I like them so much, but I did a full gram of them (Tamps) a month or so ago and while mortality didn't creep in, I had a lot of very similar ruminations about life and social dynamics with other people. I envy those who can just trip balls and stare at the pretty colors without all the ruminations. The ruminations are good in that they teach us things but sometimes you want a break from that and to just enjoy a light show.




My pro tip: If you want a very light-hearted trip, do 24 hours of fasting beforehand (ideally with a nice hike). Fasted trips are the best IME. Also, combining Tamps and Pans works wonders.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 2
    #27797734 - 05/29/22 01:04 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I’ve had a couple trips where I swore I’d never eat mushrooms again. Usually with enough time to process and absorb everything you’ll be able to work it through and feel fine again.


That sounds wild though, if you have some left it would be interesting to get them analyzed.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L] * 1
    #27798151 - 05/29/22 06:04 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Personally more I know mushrooms more I fear & respect them...



Words to live by 🤘🏼


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27798352 - 05/29/22 09:10 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

My first experience with pan bisporus was not very pleasant, either. Some negative feelings associated with the come up, and no real reason to suspect set and setting.

I also got the simultaneous hot and cold reaction. This is very normal for me with cubes, but usually it's cold for the first hour and sweating balls for the next two. It's like both of those things happened at the same time, and I wonder if this is the difference in reaction to psilocin and psilocybin, since normally with cubes it's sequential.

This was when I ate them fresh, and it was 7g fresh, since I expected that to dry out to 0.7.

However when I did dry them, I found that what I expected to dry up to 0.7 dried up to 0.35.



My girl and I tend do do at least 6g regular cubensis or 3g APE. 7g fresh that dried to 0.35 of Bisporus was as strong as any typical trip and included some unpleasant feelings.

I later tripped on 1g dry of the same Bisporus and had a better time.

I haven't had a chance to try pan cyans(natalensis spore prints for trade :begger::pm:)yet, but I do think Bisporus is different.

There aren't a whole lot of trip reports of Bisporus on here, and I'd be interested in hearing from others, but I think it's pretty different from pan cyans.

Fresh Bisporus is something else.

I will definitely be trying a higher dose of fresh Bisporus as well as a higher dose of dried and reporting back here.

I've got two bins a day or two from casing.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27798559 - 05/30/22 03:21 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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It's usually the same with me Adas. Less-so with Tamps which is why I like them so much, but I did a full gram of them (Tamps) a month or so ago and while mortality didn't creep in, I had a lot of very similar ruminations about life and social dynamics with other people. I envy those who can just trip balls and stare at the pretty colors without all the ruminations. The ruminations are good in that they teach us things but sometimes you want a break from that and to just enjoy a light show.




My pro tip: If you want a very light-hearted trip, do 24 hours of fasting beforehand (ideally with a nice hike). Fasted trips are the best IME. Also, combining Tamps and Pans works wonders.




Hm, I went for Panaeolus as I hoped they would be light-hearted just by themselves. Are you then coming it with the Tampanensis truffle or the mushrooms itself? Personally I haven't experiences a nice light show at all.. for some reason every cubensis trip I have gives me a slightly ominous feeling and I hope Pans can change that a bit. (still need to do my first pan grow though..)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] * 1
    #27798562 - 05/30/22 03:28 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Pans can be light-hearted, at low dose, but around the 1g mark things get more serious. But not in a confusing way. I don't mind some serious introspection or anything, the only things I dont like are confusion and nasty body feelings. Pans are good for this.


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    #27798617 - 05/30/22 05:25 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Pans can be light-hearted, at low dose, but around the 1g mark things get more serious. But not in a confusing way. I don't mind some serious introspection or anything, the only things I dont like are confusion and nasty body feelings. Pans are good for this.




Hm, alright that is good, I intend to use the woodlovers for microdosing and the pans for very high doses (Hopkins +- 8gr dried cubes / 30mg), for the therapeutic work. I am also curious about the beautiful closed eye visuals and colors, never experienced any of that, fingers crossed


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] * 2
    #27798692 - 05/30/22 06:41 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Ime pans have BY FAR the best open eye visuals. I found them a lot more clear headed than cubes also. I’ve never taken more than 1g but I have much more clear and realistic hallucinations without the kind of spacey dreamy/confusion  headspace I tend to get on cubes.


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    #27798747 - 05/30/22 08:18 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

First of all i have to thank Jcm4620 for sending me a "Jambo" Print a while ago. THANKS and MUSHLOVE!!!
I had to create a new account since i lost access to my old one..

Now i have my first pan grow ever.
I'm using a greenhouse. Every 10 minutes i push moist air into my tent for 2 minutes. Every 25 minutes dry air for 2 minutes from my Room to support evaporation and pinning. This works perfectly for cubes.
Temperature is around 22 C
The Substrate is: 2 parts Straw 1 part Hpoo and 0.5 parts Vermiculite.
Now my trays are fruiting and im wondering why some Fruits have short stems.
Maybe my casing is too thin and becoming too dry?- Im watering by hand with syringe.

Or genetic cause? - Im about to clone the good looking clusters...

Please let me know what you think :smile:



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    #27798795 - 05/30/22 08:51 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I had some 1.2 g pan cyans trip recently and totally blew me off. I imagine if I had 2 g, it would be close to bisporus experience that guy had🙂 but pans are really something, I enjoyed it more than cubes.


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    #27799008 - 05/30/22 12:31 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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First of all i have to thank Jcm4620 for sending me a "Jambo" Print a while ago. THANKS and MUSHLOVE!!!
I had to create a new account since i lost access to my old one..

Now i have my first pan grow ever.
I'm using a greenhouse. Every 10 minutes i push moist air into my tent for 2 minutes. Every 25 minutes dry air for 2 minutes from my Room to support evaporation and pinning. This works perfectly for cubes.
Temperature is around 22 C
The Substrate is: 2 parts Straw 1 part Hpoo and 0.5 parts Vermiculite.
Now my trays are fruiting and im wondering why some Fruits have short stems.
Maybe my casing is too thin and becoming too dry?- Im watering by hand with syringe.

Or genetic cause? - Im about to clone the good looking clusters...

Please let me know what you think :smile:






Congrats on your first flush. Those do look a bit short, but I have seen this from genetics before so that could be what's going on, but if you want to play around with things, what I've found to work well is do 2 mins mist followed by 1 min vent followed by 12 min pause. Those times can't be compared exactly due to differences in the size of fans, vaporizers etc, but I have learned it best not to let the air in the tent get too dry. The 1 minute vent time, with my setup, pulls room air that's kept to 45% RH into the tent, and 1 minute is just enough to remove around 95% of the fog from the tent. I've tried going 100% fog removal and then keeping going in order to reduce the RH levels in the tent further for more evaporation but I find that it lowers performance. And since you mention hand watering - I almost never hand water. I adjust the cycles to keep the ideal surface conditions.


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    #27799082 - 05/30/22 01:34 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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    #27799142 - 05/30/22 02:54 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Those little guys remind me of a liverwort, or some type of lichen.


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