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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27782955 - 05/18/22 12:34 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: Yes. Pasteurize a batch of casing in a zip-lock bag and keep the bag sealed when not in use. I just keep it on the shelf like that and take out what I need whenever I need it until it runs low and then I make up another batch. I have had no issues with it contaminating no matter how long it say on the shelf for.
I assume you add the lime only when you are about to use?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey] 1
#27782957 - 05/18/22 12:36 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Nope, I add it during hydration before pasteurization.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#27782964 - 05/18/22 12:45 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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BabaYaga monotub seems to be working with PHV.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kalabaaz]
#27783322 - 05/18/22 05:17 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Timestop413 said: Another tray of Estero did well, I'm having issues getting thicker spore prints though, any tips? I'm in a very dry climate for what its worth. I'm twisting caps off in front of a flow hood and placing on aluminum foil and this time, I covered them with a glass dish that I misted the insides of to try and keep it humid, should that help? (in the past I did a quart jar covering a few caps where I did not mist inside, but ambient RH is kinda low here so makes me think that could be to blame)I guess I'll know in a few days. Thanks
Also, how long are you all drying these pans out for? Ive been doing 12-24 hours at around 120-125 in food dehydrator, is that to long and could it hurt alkaloid content?


Hey , I am doing estero right now. How many days for you for fruits after fruiting conditions? I am in 4th day and no pins. There are yellow water bubbled on mycelium and that is freaking me out. Second attempt at pan cyan and not been successful so far.
My thread- https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27778580
After casing and then putting in fruiting conditions..I'd say I see pins within 5-7 days. Mine have some yellow/metabolite in the substrate, I assume its bacteria but they should fruit along side bacteria no problem. I notice my entire cake doesnt always fully colonize and I also have assumed its from either.. not perfectly colonized grains(bacteria in the grainspawn/inoculation) or comes in when I mix the grains with substrate.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey] 1
#27783333 - 05/18/22 05:29 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Is that from clone? Pic tax: my Estero from MS:

Regarding printing, I suggest you put a water drop on the caps. It has worked well for me both for pans and semperviva
That is from spore print to agar, I have continued to replicate the same mycelium from initial spore print scraped onto agar, I have also scraped new spores to agar from the same print and it seems to yield those flushes, sometimes it varies but usually pretty dense. Mine don't seem to open up super flat/concave like your caps do with the yellow/brown spot in the caps..they tend to drop spores and turn black if I let them grow to long.
However, and not sure if its me or just the genetics (tested with a buddy as well), but according to the guy I got the print from..0.5-2g is the dose range with 2g supposedly being very strong, I find I need like 3g+ to really trip heavily from them..so I'm experimenting with growing out spores from a separate estero print, as well new spores from the same print to see if I can find more potent ones. following this tek->https://www.patreon.com/posts/57958481
Also..misting the inside of that glass dish to provide a more humid environment..allowed much thicker spore prints to drop
Edited by Timestop413 (05/18/22 05:30 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#27783520 - 05/18/22 08:21 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Is spraying the aluminum foil down with 70% iso alcohol before placing the caps on it a good idea? I mean, the cleaner the better right?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shroomguy101] 1
#27783696 - 05/18/22 11:48 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Aluminium foil is sterile off the roll so no need.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shroomguy101] 1
#27783809 - 05/19/22 04:51 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomguy101 said: Is spraying the aluminum foil down with 70% iso alcohol before placing the caps on it a good idea? I mean, the cleaner the better right?
Yea I wouldn’t, just roll out your foil in front of flow hood or in still air box and it’s clean like myc said above. Let your prints dry though before folding them up
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley]
#27784082 - 05/19/22 10:03 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Myc Hunt said: Aluminium foil is sterile off the roll so no need.
That's if you're printing 10+ caps at once or so. And also some of us dont want to be wasteful and throw out the part of the foil that was exposed. I personally only do a few prints at a time so I flame my foil instead. Depends on the individual use case.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27784128 - 05/19/22 10:53 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Myc Hunt said: Aluminium foil is sterile off the roll so no need.
That's if you're printing 10+ caps at once or so. And also some of us dont want to be wasteful and throw out the part of the foil that was exposed. I personally only do a few prints at a time so I flame my foil instead. Depends on the individual use case.
I just pretend that the exposed part wasn’t exposed
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SwabMarley] 1
#27784132 - 05/19/22 10:57 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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That's one way to go about it!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27784150 - 05/19/22 11:12 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Lonely Dreamer, flaming it is genius! Can't believe I never thought of that before! How exactly do you go about it without burning your fingers/gloves? Do you use tweezers or forceps?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shroomguy101]
#27784405 - 05/19/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Funny, I dont think anyone's ever called me Lonely Dreamer before. 
I hold the corner of it with tweezers. And hold the flame 1-1.5cm away from the foil. Doesnt need to get ultra hot.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27785071 - 05/19/22 11:21 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you Adas.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#27785181 - 05/20/22 02:42 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Timestop413 said:
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odissey said:
Is that from clone? Pic tax: my Estero from MS:

Regarding printing, I suggest you put a water drop on the caps. It has worked well for me both for pans and semperviva
That is from spore print to agar, I have continued to replicate the same mycelium from initial spore print scraped onto agar, I have also scraped new spores to agar from the same print and it seems to yield those flushes, sometimes it varies but usually pretty dense. Mine don't seem to open up super flat/concave like your caps do with the yellow/brown spot in the caps..they tend to drop spores and turn black if I let them grow to long.
However, and not sure if its me or just the genetics (tested with a buddy as well), but according to the guy I got the print from..0.5-2g is the dose range with 2g supposedly being very strong, I find I need like 3g+ to really trip heavily from them..so I'm experimenting with growing out spores from a separate estero print, as well new spores from the same print to see if I can find more potent ones. following this tek->https://www.patreon.com/posts/57958481
Also..misting the inside of that glass dish to provide a more humid environment..allowed much thicker spore prints to drop

Oh that's quite impressive for MS.
Many people have said this about Estero, I am now wondering whether I should take it today or not since I have had many bunk trips in the last months.
Cool that you managed to get prints! I found that the flat caps while cool, print way lighter than the concave ones.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey]
#27785184 - 05/20/22 02:45 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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So how do people dose them fresh? I used the search and most people say they are stronger fresh, but it seems to me that fresh would probably be so unreliable due to the varying water content. I harvested some Estero and Wild Coast on Tuesday and put them in a ziplock in the fridge. How would the more experienced pan trippers here proceed in this case? Is the slight water evaporation since the harvest likely to make them much more potent per weight? Is the potency degradation likely to offset this difference?
I want a proper trip since I have not had one in a long time. I was thinking 12g fresh, but reading all people saying Estero is weaker is making me indecisive between playing with fire and risking yet another bunk trip
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey]
#27785205 - 05/20/22 03:27 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Guys help, please! Panaeolus cyanescens doesn't grow! It was cased 11th May placed into the fruting chamber 14th May.. there is no signs of shrooms! What is the problem? Cased with peat/verm mix. Temp. is about 26-27C. FC is with bubling stone in water. 60 L box with water at the bottom.
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Re: Официальная нить Copelandia / [Re: Timestop413] 3
#27785570 - 05/20/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Timestop413 said: Another tray of Estero did well, I'm having issues getting thicker spore prints though, any tips? I'm in a very dry climate for what its worth. I'm twisting caps off in front of a flow hood and placing on aluminum foil and this time, I covered them with a glass dish that I misted the insides of to try and keep it humid, should that help? (in the past I did a quart jar covering a few caps where I did not mist inside, but ambient RH is kinda low here so makes me think that could be to blame)I guess I'll know in a few days. Thanks
Also, how long are you all drying these pans out for? Ive been doing 12-24 hours at around 120-125 in food dehydrator, is that to long and could it hurt alkaloid content?


Hi, I'm a little late with the answer. The mushroom prints well in this version, I think it will become clear from the photo.
 
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra] 1
#27785825 - 05/20/22 02:10 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Bra said: Guys help, please! Panaeolus cyanescens doesn't grow! It was cased 11th May placed into the fruting chamber 14th May.. there is no signs of shrooms! What is the problem? Cased with peat/verm mix. Temp. is about 26-27C. FC is with bubling stone in water. 60 L box with water at the bottom.

Some fruit in just a couple days, and some can take two weeks to fruit. Occasionally you’ll get some tubs that never fruit. Your temp is good and your FC setup will give the right FAE and humidity. So at this point there is nothing you can actively do but wait. Contamination can prevent fruiting too, in some cases, but again, if that’s what’s happening then you can’t do anything about it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 4
#27785915 - 05/20/22 03:14 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Trip report:
I went ahead and took 10 g fresh. The visuals are very abundant if you look for them. Very functional dose, my senses were very enhanced but I could be very "normal" if I wanted. In the first tripping hour there was a lot of noise in the visuals. So much so, I remember thinking my mind was full of visual trash. But later it all got much more refined. If I closed my eyes and focused there was a whole landscape with intricate geometric patterns, sacred forms and very beautiful colors. The vibe was not my favorite (compared to semperviva anyway) but the afterglow is so awesome. I felt god inside. Like I am a prime APE. I was jumping around squatting and dancing, twisting in the air. I think this was the mushroom experience that made me feel the most interesting and pleasant physical sensations. Broke my cats' water bowl while jumping around. Ups. Who knew I would end a trip doing a workout? 
Overall I think they are a great mushroom, and I did not feel threatened in any way so I think I will take a higher dose next time. Although I remember thinking this last time I took 1.8g dry just before time and space broke down and a downpour of alien information started flushing down my brain 
May hit up my newly baked changa later tonight to go down deeper down the rabbit hole
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