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They look like a bird's eye view of an explosion.
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Bra
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Hello Baba,
I afraid I f*cked up this grow.
I used new casing layer recipe to my pan grow. And there is no myceium in there. I made it 1:1 peat verm. and added 1/2 table spoon of lime on 2L of substrate.
I used to do it with flower soil from gardening shop always, and it works good. I had casing layer and layer down colonized in 1-2 days . But now 2 days passed and nothing. 1 small little piece of mycelium is there but it is not colonized at all.
I am quite stressed. What to do? It have been look like that always. In the pictures are cakes 2 days after casing
Edited by Bra (05/12/22 05:53 PM)
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Re: Premixes [Re: Bra] 1
#27774381 - 05/12/22 05:21 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Hey bra, I am not sure if I understand this correctly but a casing is suppose to colonize as little as possible so I don't see a problem here.
you said :"I made it 1:1 peat verm. and added 1/2 of lime on 2L of substrate." What does 1/2 of lime mean? Half a liter, half a cup, half a tablespoon? And substrate is no casing.
If the old casing recipe is working for you than stick with it. Your trays are looking good man! How are you fruiting those?
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He said 1/2 Tablespoon of lime - which for 2L of "casing" (assume he meant casing when he said substrate), is fine. I use 1 whole Tablespoon of lime per quart of casing. The recipe for 50:50+ casing works out to about 0.88 Tablespoon of lime per quart and I just rounded it up to 1. Has worked fine for me.
Agree there is no issue with the mycelium not colonizing the substrate. Sometimes it does a little, sometimes it doesn't at all.
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Baba Yaga said: Hey bra, I am not sure if I understand this correctly but a casing is suppose to colonize as little as possible so I don't see a problem here.
you said :"I made it 1:1 peat verm. and added 1/2 of lime on 2L of substrate." What does 1/2 of lime mean? Half a liter, half a cup, half a tablespoon? And substrate is no casing.
If the old casing recipe is working for you than stick with it. Your trays are looking good man! How are you fruiting those?
I cased it two days ago, when i need to put it in fruitin chamber and when to wait first shrooms?
Sorry, I didn't write it was 1/2 of tablespoon. I hope I didn't overdo them with lime.
This in not my photo, just showing you the tek I've used. I have no better photos to describe what tek I used. I haven't my own photos, I don't save it in my computer.
Fruiting is in fruiting chamber with water and bubling compressor, temp is about 26-28C. Plus 4 cm2 computer vent, for flow down the co2 and get fresh air. It works every 3 hours for 1 minute.
I am facepalming I didn't do it with my old recipe. I've seen it works better for you, you have more pans than me. So I've tried this recipe. Hindsight quite calmed me down, I hope for the best 
I made this time 2-3 cm of this casing substrate (it is not colonizing at all) than 2 cm manure-straw spawn, than 0.5cm casing layer. Now it is under the foil and I wait for mycelium to appear as in pictures. I don't know what I done wrong and what to do. Put them in fruiting chamber? When? Hmm..you wanna say it wouldn't be like fluffy and colonizing it? As it is colonized in photos? How I will get frutits than?
Thanks
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Hindsight said: He said 1/2 Tablespoon of lime - which for 2L of "casing" (assume he meant casing when he said substrate), is fine. I use 1 whole Tablespoon of lime per quart of casing. The recipe for 50:50+ casing works out to about 0.88 Tablespoon of lime per quart and I just rounded it up to 1. Has worked fine for me.
Agree there is no issue with the mycelium not colonizing the substrate. Sometimes it does a little, sometimes it doesn't at all.
Ohh, bro you just calmed me down. So, as I got it I din't overdo with lime. Yes I used 1/2 tablespoon of lime powder, Ca(OH)2 .
I just only afraid manure-straw spawn won't grow because of lack of food. Because when I used flower soil it was colonized and I knew when to wait for shroomies an when to put it in fruiting chamber.
How long I should wait for frutitng? And when to put cakes in fruiting chamber? Thank you !
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Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra] 2
#27774576 - 05/12/22 07:55 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Had to change the subject line
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Re: Premixes [Re: Bra] 1
#27774737 - 05/12/22 09:22 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Bra said:
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Hindsight said: He said 1/2 Tablespoon of lime - which for 2L of "casing" (assume he meant casing when he said substrate), is fine. I use 1 whole Tablespoon of lime per quart of casing. The recipe for 50:50+ casing works out to about 0.88 Tablespoon of lime per quart and I just rounded it up to 1. Has worked fine for me.
Agree there is no issue with the mycelium not colonizing the substrate. Sometimes it does a little, sometimes it doesn't at all.
Ohh, bro you just calmed me down. So, as I got it I din't overdo with lime. Yes I used 1/2 tablespoon of lime powder, Ca(OH)2 .
I just only afraid manure-straw spawn won't grow because of lack of food. Because when I used flower soil it was colonized and I knew when to wait for shroomies an when to put it in fruiting chamber.
How long I should wait for frutitng? And when to put cakes in fruiting chamber? Thank you !
I think you mean manure-straw substrate, not spawn? Spawn is grain. Any reason you are concerned about manure and straw not having enough "food"? That is what most of use and it works fine. It sounds like maybe you think this because you felt your potting soil based substrate colonized faster than manure/straw? If so could be many reasons for this. Could have had a contaminated grain jar or improperly pasteurized manure/straw substrate.
I would not run that computer fan you mentioned. The air coming in through the bubblers is more than enough to remove the Co2.
Once your sub surface is fully colonized, wait another 2-5 days and then case it. Put it into the fruiting chamber after casing (immediately or 1-2 days later, really doesn't matter). From there, it takes as long as it takes. You just have to wait.
A good pan grow will fully colonize a substrate in 4-10 days. The faster the better. Wait another ~4 days for consolidation Case and wait another 0-2 days then put into the tent and wait for fruits. That's it.
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I really like those bisps Hindsight. They are not afraid of showing what they got.

I love it when caps are going all concave.
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Bra
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I don't know how to wait for consolidation when it is not consolidate. Peat is not consolidate at all as I see.
I use manure-straw as spawn substrate And make cake like here
It grows like that



 Soil 2-3 cm- manure-straw - soil casing layer 0.5cm. I dont understand what to do now. I used peat instead of soil and this looks like a problem. I haven't to change my tek.
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Re: Premixes [Re: Bra]
#27774961 - 05/13/22 01:52 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Pete is correct for a casing and you don’t want it to get colonised.
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Bra
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Myc Hunt said: Pete is correct for a casing and you don’t want it to get colonised.
So I have to put it in fruiting chamber directly?
I usually let it colonize but I've growing with soil for flovers. Cake was like a cake as you see in photos. But now it is just 2 non colonizing layers.... Put it in chamber? Or what to do?
I have it under a foil now.
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Re: Premixes [Re: Bra]
#27775057 - 05/13/22 03:51 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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If it’s colonised the main substrate fully you give it a few days, then add your non nutritious casing of your choosing (ie. peat/verm).
Some people put it in their FC straight away. Others give it a day or 2 but from what I’ve read it doesn’t matter so much. Someone correct me if I’m spouting bollocks.
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Okay, thanks. I will put it to FC today.
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Re: Premixes [Re: Bra] 1
#27775135 - 05/13/22 06:10 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Guys, i've checked cakes ! BVI cake mycelium started to appear! It is in several places on casing layer. Wild Coast is a bit slower (i made c.layer a little bit thicker, now i deleted it with fork, to have thinner c.layer) but appears in cupple of places on the casing layer! So it looks it works! Thanks God! And you guys! Thanks for your support.  I very appreciate it.
I think it works but just because of peat's low nutriciency it takes a little bit longer. Fruiting chamber will be today.
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Baba Yaga said: I really like those bisps Hindsight. They are not afraid of showing what they got.

I love it when caps are going all concave.
Thanks Baba, I have really been enjoying growing Bispos. My outdoor patch is still pushing up some fruits here and there but no solid flush just yet. I think it's due to lack of consistent rains, even though I'm hand watering as often as I can get to it. I'm installing an automated mister over the patch tonight which will run every 6 hours. That might help getting bigger, fuller, more consistent flushes. If I have anything photo worthy, I'll post it here. Oh yeah, I covered the outdoor beds with 70% shade cloth which should help too.
TRIP REPORT! And speaking of, I finally had a friend try the bispos and provide me with a trip report. He took 1.7g dry (he normally does 2g of pan cyans) and really likes them. He said they are not rough on the psyche like cyans are and were much more uplifting, with the exception of the come-up which had the usual anxiety. He said the visuals didn't kick in for about 90 minutes and were peaking at about 2 hours. Said he feels he could handle more than the 1.7g he took but that it wouldn't be necessary. He says he prefers these to cyans quite a lot.
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Thanks for the report! I've been waiting for my outdoor ones but no luck so far.
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Re: Premixes [Re: Adas]
#27775592 - 05/13/22 01:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Still waiting.. 

I know I probably shouldn't have but I popped my shoebox "cake" out and put it in my bigger tub because it was holding a huge puddle of water underneath the substrate and it wasn't soaking it up and I couldn't get it to drain. I was afraid it was going to ruin it so now it's sitting in something bigger. Does that look like it's colonizing the casing layer or is it how it should be? The whole casing layer thing confuses me because people say it's not supposed to colonize it but once they go to fruit there's white on everybodies casing layers so that confuses me lol what's the difference in "colonizing" the casing layer and mycelium growing through it like it should?
EDIT: does this half a shoebox look like mycelium poking through like the OPs pics or does it look like mold? It's super light and kind of looks like mold but looking at the side I can see the lower part is definitely mycelium.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShinyWartortle] 3
#27776401 - 05/14/22 02:25 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Post subject fixed.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 6
#27776789 - 05/14/22 11:01 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Another tray of Estero did well, I'm having issues getting thicker spore prints though, any tips? I'm in a very dry climate for what its worth. I'm twisting caps off in front of a flow hood and placing on aluminum foil and this time, I covered them with a glass dish that I misted the insides of to try and keep it humid, should that help? (in the past I did a quart jar covering a few caps where I did not mist inside, but ambient RH is kinda low here so makes me think that could be to blame)I guess I'll know in a few days. Thanks
Also, how long are you all drying these pans out for? Ive been doing 12-24 hours at around 120-125 in food dehydrator, is that to long and could it hurt alkaloid content?

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