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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shr00mFer] 1
#27767420 - 05/07/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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shr00mFer said: Any advice on this one (lower holes are uncovered, upper micropore - misting and faning once or twice a day)?

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shr00mFer said: Those are aluminum trays. Put in tub which is acting as FC. Usually put some perlite beneath but ran out off.
I am confused, bottom holes are covered in the photo and there is perlite in there. Have you uploaded the wrong photo? Anyway, there is no formula. Fanning is not really necessary and misting should be applied as needed to keep conditions up.
I see you got fruits, seems you are in the right ballpark.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#27767424 - 05/07/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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With bisporus I often think they look like they are made out of wax. Definitely my favorite to look at. Nice work.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27767432 - 05/07/22 02:13 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Added a thin layer of verm overtop of my mycelium now do I fan and mist? It's fully colonized.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShinyWartortle] 1
#27767456 - 05/07/22 02:28 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Have those photos been taken just after casing? If yes then i would add a little more. Apply FAE straight after casing but wait 24 hrs before giving it a good misting to saturate the casing. It's hard to see when the casing is saturated with just vermiculite but don't be shy, they should be able to take a good soak.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27767460 - 05/07/22 02:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I added the casing layer late last night. The mycelium seems to have taken over a bit of the casing as well so should I still add a bit more? I'll wait for 24 hours before misting!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShinyWartortle] 1
#27767471 - 05/07/22 02:49 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe the casing went on a bit early.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27767475 - 05/07/22 02:57 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Then I'm just gonna set and forget lol I'll just ignore it and see what happens.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27768065 - 05/08/22 01:02 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
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shr00mFer said: Any advice on this one (lower holes are uncovered, upper micropore - misting and faning once or twice a day)?

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shr00mFer said: Those are aluminum trays. Put in tub which is acting as FC. Usually put some perlite beneath but ran out off.
I am confused, bottom holes are covered in the photo and there is perlite in there. Have you uploaded the wrong photo? Anyway, there is no formula. Fanning is not really necessary and misting should be applied as needed to keep conditions up.
I see you got fruits, seems you are in the right ballpark.
My bad.this one got a bit of perlite. Another tub with 4 trays just like that dont have cause I ran out. Btw are pan cyan fruits always this small? Or I am doing something wrong🙂
Edited by shr00mFer (05/08/22 01:03 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shr00mFer]
#27768153 - 05/08/22 04:38 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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The caps on the taller ones looking a bit small for the size but that can change. What size are these fruits?
For comparison, here is a photo of fruits that are about 1" tall.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27768214 - 05/08/22 07:03 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Bro, do you think it is okay to use peat soil with humus that has been lying in my living room for 3 years after purchase? For the casing of pans... I would sterilize it in a pressure cooker and use it. Is that a good idea?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
#27768218 - 05/08/22 07:06 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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That would be fine, from an age standpoint, but I would generally avoid a casing with humus because it may contain nutrition and you want your casing layer to be completely void of that. You might also consider pasteurizing it instead of sterilizing it though, but it's less important for casing than for substrate. Peat+verm would be preferable.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27768461 - 05/08/22 10:36 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Here is better pics from today. I one tub there is perlite on bottom. Bottom holes covered with women-socks material (gnats!), upper holes micropore. How can I make my fruits bigger (at least caps, if possible)? Is it genetics issue (this is MSS), enviromental (more FAE?) or what?
When to pick them? Caps seem already open on some but they are so tiny.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27768750 - 05/08/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Have those photos been taken just after casing? If yes then i would add a little more. Apply FAE straight after casing but wait 24 hrs before giving it a good misting to saturate the casing. It's hard to see when the casing is saturated with just vermiculite but don't be shy, they should be able to take a good soak.
Hey you, I waited a while before giving it a good misting. I gave it time to soak up the water and then had to pour some out because I may have went overboard. Should it be growing through the casing layer like this? Also, how many days does it usually take these guys to pin?
The pic below is the coir/verm only and I think it's stalled and done for. Maybe I should bury it?

EDIT: I noticed some bluing in a few areas. Does this look like bruising or mold? I sure hope it's bruising. It's hard to see in the pictures though.
Edited by ShinyWartortle (05/08/22 02:50 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShinyWartortle] 1
#27768845 - 05/08/22 03:36 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Shiny.
The blue in your photos is bruising and a little bit of standing water at the bottom or having to pour it out won't hurt anything. If the surface gets colonized like this then I would simply recase. That is actually what I did on my first pan grow.
You did things quite differently to what I usually do. IIRC then you used PF-cakes and/or WBR inoculated spores which you have spawned to manure straw "pasteurized" via bucket tek and fruited in a shoebox. I have never grown pans like that and I can only guess what to do here. Would be easier if I could come over and have a look in person cause there are so many variables and subtle things on both sides that are not translating well when trying to explain things on the basis of a few words and a couple of photos.
As I said in an earlier reply, you will have to repeat this a few times to get familiar with all the processes, gain experience and confidence. Since this is only your 3rd grow (and your 1st with pans) I would suggest to go back to cubensis and grow a couple dozen shoe boxes and start using agar. If it has to be pans then it would be easier to start with MacMerdin Cakes IMO.
If I was you I would start an new pan grow while fiddling around with this one and try to follow write ups more closely.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27768852 - 05/08/22 03:41 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Hey Shiny.
The blue in your photos is bruising and a little bit of standing water at the bottom or having to pour it out won't hurt anything. If the surface gets colonized like this then I would simply recase. That is actually what I did on my first pan grow.
You did things quite differently to what I usually do. IIRC then you used PF-cakes and/or WBR inoculated spores which you have spawned to manure straw "pasteurized" via bucket tek and fruited in a shoebox. I have never grown pans like that and I can only guess what to do here. Would be easier if I could come over and have a look in person cause there are so many variables and subtle things on both sides that are not translating well when trying to explain things on the basis of a few words and a couple of photos.
As I said in an earlier reply, you will have to repeat this a few times to get familiar with all the processes, gain experience and confidence. Since this is only your 3rd grow (and your 1st with pans) I would suggest to go back to cubensis and grow a couple dozen shoe boxes and start using agar. If it has to be pans then it would be easier to start with MacMerdin Cakes IMO.
If I was you I would start an new pan grow while fiddling around with this one and try to follow write ups more closely.
Thank you baba. I know I have to be getting slightly annoying and I appreciate your patience. I'll recase and continue to mist/fan. It really would be nice to have a pro come check em out lol I've got some PF REDSPORE colonizing right now so I plan to stick with cubensis for a while, I just got the pans cause they were on sale for cheap. At the moment I only have two jars of pf redspore going but I bought a new case of jars and I plan to noc' up the entire dozen tomorrow. From now on I'll try and do actual grow logs and keep everything as detailed as possible. Thank you again!
Recased, about 1/2 an inch to 3/4ths of an inch deep. It was the last of my vermiculite until tonight so hopefully it's enough.
Edited by ShinyWartortle (05/08/22 03:48 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shr00mFer]
#27768861 - 05/08/22 03:49 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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shr00mFer said: Here is better pics from today. I one tub there is perlite on bottom. Bottom holes covered with women-socks material (gnats!), upper holes micropore. How can I make my fruits bigger (at least caps, if possible)? Is it genetics issue (this is MSS), enviromental (more FAE?) or what?
When to pick them? Caps seem already open on some but they are so tiny.

The caps on pans do open early which is fine and they will grow more. Best time to harvest IMO is when they start to sporulate, I like to chop when I see spore deposits on ~30% of the caps.
I have to admit that some of your fruits are unusually elongated. Can be genetic or environmental, I know you got some fruits in earlier grows. How did they turn out in terms of size? More FAE would be an easy option to try out.
Also what are the conditions in your tub like? When I take the lid off my monos and poke my nose in then a plume of warm moist air is rising from the tub. This is one of the telltales for me that conditions are good. The temperature difference between inside the tub and outside does help circulating air and bringing in fresh. Maybe your trays don't have enough volume for the space to get the "heat pump" going. Hard to say without seeing/feeling in person.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27769394 - 05/09/22 03:54 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I know. Fruits from previous grow was almost same as this one. I dont have trouble waiting for them to grow more. But as they are getting taller, they cant stand upright anymore and I dont like to get them dirty although casing is easy to rub off them if they pick up any.
Probably it would be good idea to add some mister to the box and schedule it to turn on/off for some period.
When I open tub I notice beautifull forest smell. Not sure about hot air will check later today.
I have also pan jambo in process, hopefully will fruit so I'll compare fruit size/caps.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27770255 - 05/09/22 06:50 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: That would be fine, from an age standpoint, but I would generally avoid a casing with humus because it may contain nutrition and you want your casing layer to be completely void of that. You might also consider pasteurizing it instead of sterilizing it though, but it's less important for casing than for substrate. Peat+verm would be preferable.
Thank you for your answer. So, I bought a bag of peat. But I forgot that peat is quite acidic. And as I know, acidic environment is good to grow mould  But I don't want to grow mould, so I'd like to ask. Should I use lime to raise the pH to 8-8.5? I have no lime so I'll need to buy it then. Or, can I use just gypsum to stabilize pH? I have a pack of gypsum. And vermiculite. What should I do? It is time to make casing Jars are 100% colonized and wait.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra] 1
#27770436 - 05/09/22 09:47 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Grain jars or substrate jars? It's time to pasteurize bulk substrate now if you do grains otherwise it's time to get your casing going soon.
You will need the casing when your substrate has been fully colonized. Gypsum is no good to adjust pH, you will need lime. 1/4 part of hydrated (or slaked) lime to 10 parts of peat and 10 parts of verm is pretty standard. With crushed/powdered lime stone or oyster shell you will need 1 part.
But having said this, I read numerous times that some people do not even bother to adjust the pH of the casing and do fine. I still do it though.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycoplex] 1
#27770524 - 05/09/22 10:54 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Mycoplex said: Is anyone familiar with species in the Panaeolus genus other than cinctulus producing sclerotia or pseudo-sclerotia? I realize I am making a bit of a conjecture with this question but sharing an experience with a plate of Pan Cyan BVI here..
 
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Earlier in this thread I shared this plate of Pan Cyan BVI which formed pseduo-stones on agar that bruised azure. I've cloned the pseduo-stones since then and took more cross-sections of the stones on the original plate to share:
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