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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: offworld] 2
#27735266 - 04/14/22 11:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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If anyone has some advice for this noob it'd be much appreciated. I'm still continually amazed and the depth and breadth of information available on these forums, you folks are amazing!
Hey friend, great job on those atl7 fruits! Very nice grow.
you've found your way into the panaeolus thread and you'll be much better off in the official mexicana, tampanansis, galindoi, stone producer thread here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27734026#27734026
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#27735737 - 04/15/22 10:28 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yes that is normal height. Pan Cyans grow taller but Pan Bispos are shorter and fatter:
Thank you. Do you have a grow.log for those bispo boxes you showed? If not What type of chamber are you using?
No grow log sorry. It’s all in this thread though so if you search for my posts in here you will see it. I talk about the substrates I used as well - I think for bispos I tried a few variations. My fruiting chamber is a standard tent with an ultrasonic fogger and a bathroom vent fan. 80F air temps. 45% room RH. 2 minutes of fog, then vent for 1 minute then rest for 13 mins. I would guess the tent is around 80% RH during rest. I adjust the cycle as needed to keep the fruits and the surface looking good.
Thanks for the trip report too. I still haven’t tried mine yet.
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Crackatoa said: What differences have you guy's noticed between poo/straw and poo/coir as a substrate?
Crack I have done a lot of side by side tests bits it hard because there are so many variables. I didn’t find anything conclusive. Have had good success with both but my gut tells me over time, straw performs better though has a higher chance for contamination that ruins the grow. I keep coming back to straw. But again, coir does quite well too.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27735861 - 04/15/22 11:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to try a poo/coir substrate. Right now I'm rocking poo/straw.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: offworld]
#27736062 - 04/15/22 02:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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At what temperature did these fruit so well? I have a few trays now that won't pin/fruit and I'm wondering if they're just too cold at about 75F...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27736071 - 04/15/22 02:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thank for the earlier feedback on my tent being too dry. I've bumped up the RH and the cracking has ceased.
Since I've been reading some of the posts from the last 6 mo some questions came up.
First, is it normal for pans (jam or necd) to not have that much bruising? I'm working off the assumption the blue bruising is more active/potent, but it doesn't seem like the pans have a lot of strong bruising.
Another question, for LC I've noticed on necd and jam so far there is a strong aggressive top island formed from the mycelium. I've seen the same from my cube Cambodian. Is this an indication of a good or better mycelium or does it not mean much of anything?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hongosamongus]
#27736154 - 04/15/22 03:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Has anybody noticed a difference in potency with Pans depending on when they're picked? Seems that this hasn't ever been definitively proven either way even with P. cubensis, so I don't expect anything but anecdotal reports, but any ideas?
Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hongosamongus]
#27736381 - 04/15/22 07:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hongosamongus said: Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
Not the way I'd phrase it , but as a pan noob with lots of questions and a handful of failures, I do appreciate the sentiment. I don't know that this thread was originally intended just to help noobs, though a dedicated thread for that would be great.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers] 2
#27736578 - 04/15/22 10:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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This thread is for all things pans. questions, flexing, stories, whatever.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if pans get more potent as they mature. According to some reports semps get more potent as they mature, so I wouldn’t be surprised if other mushrooms do that.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hongosamongus] 1
#27736754 - 04/16/22 04:08 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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From my understanding, with cubes, the pins/not fully developed mushrooms contain a higher concentration of psilocybin but the fully mature ones contain a larger amount. So 1g pins will contain more than 1g full-size mushrooms. In not sure about pans, I think it may be species dependent? Panaeolus olivaceus is "latent" in it's psilo production. I've noticed the less mature ones look more like foenescii but once they get big and are just about spent they turn more of a purple and show some bluing. I've noticed with cyans and bisporus (I think) some of the pins will bruise dark blue. Idk if that helps
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles] 3
#27736885 - 04/16/22 07:01 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hi I was told this is the hangout spot for pans,
Im new to them as of a few months back but wanted to share my results and have a couple of questions.
Pan cyan estora, from Florida. first flushes

 In this second pic^ these ones came up a bit thicker and meatier but the first pic is more cluster, I assume just multispore genetics being the reason?
Some questions I've had, I notice my flushes after the first are coming up shorter in height by an inch or two and overall a bit smaller in size, but I was told in another thread I made yesterday that this is normal? I thought I may be overwatering them or something potentially but if its normal then all good. 2nd flush->
Also I'm noticing on agar (MEA)-the mycelium grows but then kinda stalls out after a bit, but if put to grain despite stalling, it takes off again. Anyone know why that may be? Agar recipe per 1000ml water is 20g agar, 15g LME, 2g nutritional yeast. I'm replicating the initial mycelium that spawned from spore and have not cloned any fruits yet but was told I should clone? They're so tiny I think it may be hard to get tissue but I think probably still doable.
 
And then lastly. I am drying them in dehydrator, grounding them all to homogenize and putting into capsules. I took 1.5g one time so far and while it was a nice trip, it wasn't as visual as I expected it to be. However I saw Madseason say in this thread say a ways back that 2g is a weak dose for dried pans and that they are much more potent fresh. Is my experience normal for that size of a dried dose or do you all think they are somewhat weak for pan cyans strains?
Thanks for the help, glad to have found this thread.
Edited by Timestop413 (04/16/22 07:08 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#27737378 - 04/16/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hey that is some nice work. Id say it is not un-normal that second and later flushes are smaller in size and numbers, especially when you had a good first flush, the second flush in your photo is looking great btw.
Pan cultures are stalling for me as well at different points of the process, sometimes on agar, sometimes on grain and as you have experienced a fresh transfer will grow out normal again. My cultures do seemingly stall on grain sometimes and a shake jump starts growth again and they work out great in the end.
Your cultures are looking somewhat unorganized but if those cultures are producing flushes like that then I'd say they are working alright and there is nor reason to change anything. I know that there is a consensus about what type of growth is desirable and such but I don't think that being too dogmatic helps much but using what works does.
Cloning is the way to go, those meaty fruits in the second image would have been great to clone. I like cloning, it is great fun.
Had a similar experience with pans lately. The first time I took 1g dry it knocked me out of my shoes and that was while I was still tripping on the regular but my last 1g after a long break (from tripping, not from growing so product was freshly dried) was somewhat underwhelming. It's not unheard off that pans can turn out weaker just like any other active mushroom.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27737421 - 04/16/22 02:34 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ok thankyou for the info, I appreciate it.
I'll keep working at them and see how it goes, will definitely clone some fruits from successive flushes. Good to know that they can be weaker or stronger, it wasn't a super weak experience but was a bit underwhelming for what I had read.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#27737770 - 04/16/22 08:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Anybody worked with Pan. tropicalis? My first fruiting was rather weak and I'm wondering if they have high temperature requirements that they're not quite getting - it's about 75 in the tent. Also, I have no idea as to potency of this species, which doesn't seem very popular. Any particuar reason that they're not widely grown, despite the prints/syringes being very cheap right now?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hongosamongus]
#27738103 - 04/17/22 04:12 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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75 is a decent temperature, I doubt it's that.
Any more info on how you are growing, inoculation method, your FC, type of sub and a few photos, stuff like that.
Are other pans performing better for you?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27738145 - 04/17/22 05:27 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
Cloning is the way to go, those meaty fruits in the second image would have been great to clone. I like cloning, it is great fun.
Hey do you know if its alright to clone from second flush? I have been under the impression that first flush is ideal to clone from but curious if second is alright as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
#27738427 - 04/17/22 08:50 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Should be fine.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hongosamongus] 2
#27738499 - 04/17/22 09:32 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hongosamongus said: Has anybody noticed a difference in potency with Pans depending on when they're picked? Seems that this hasn't ever been definitively proven either way even with P. cubensis, so I don't expect anything but anecdotal reports, but any ideas?
Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
Hongos, I'll speak for myself here, but I have been wondering if you aren't simply trolling this thread for some time now. Literally every question I have seen you ask has answers that can be found in this thread. It might take some reading and searching, but why should the same questions be answered every few weeks when they have already been answered 50 times in the past? That is the main reason this thread is up to page 1,285. I see no reason to continue posting here unless it is a new revelation that makes growing Pans easier, or some eye candy pictures that has always inspired me to become a better grower through learning more. Reading this thread from the beginning in addition to every word of write-ups from other talented growers has elevated my skills beyond what I ever hoped for. After that, it's hard to come up with questions that haven't been answered many times already.
IMO, it'd be nice if noobs would read what has already been done. If there are still legitimate questions after that then fire away. If you are wondering why you aren't getting many responses, it has to do with this issue.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27738603 - 04/17/22 11:35 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hongosamongus said: Has anybody noticed a difference in potency with Pans depending on when they're picked? Seems that this hasn't ever been definitively proven either way even with P. cubensis, so I don't expect anything but anecdotal reports, but any ideas?
Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
Hongos, I'll speak for myself here, but I have been wondering if you aren't simply trolling this thread for some time now. Literally every question I have seen you ask has answers that can be found in this thread. It might take some reading and searching, but why should the same questions be answered every few weeks when they have already been answered 50 times in the past? That is the main reason this thread is up to page 1,285. I see no reason to continue posting here unless it is a new revelation that makes growing Pans easier, or some eye candy pictures that has always inspired me to become a better grower through learning more. Reading this thread from the beginning in addition to every word of write-ups from other talented growers has elevated my skills beyond what I ever hoped for. After that, it's hard to come up with questions that haven't been answered many times already.
IMO, it'd be nice if noobs would read what has already been done. If there are still legitimate questions after that then fire away. If you are wondering why you aren't getting many responses, it has to do with this issue.
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Hongosamongus said: Has anybody noticed a difference in potency with Pans depending on when they're picked? Seems that this hasn't ever been definitively proven either way even with P. cubensis, so I don't expect anything but anecdotal reports, but any ideas?
Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
Hongos, I'll speak for myself here, but I have been wondering if you aren't simply trolling this thread for some time now. Literally every question I have seen you ask has answers that can be found in this thread. It might take some reading and searching, but why should the same questions be answered every few weeks when they have already been answered 50 times in the past? That is the main reason this thread is up to page 1,285. I see no reason to continue posting here unless it is a new revelation that makes growing Pans easier, or some eye candy pictures that has always inspired me to become a better grower through learning more. Reading this thread from the beginning in addition to every word of write-ups from other talented growers has elevated my skills beyond what I ever hoped for. After that, it's hard to come up with questions that haven't been answered many times already.
IMO, it'd be nice if noobs would read what has already been done. If there are still legitimate questions after that then fire away. If you are wondering why you aren't getting many responses, it has to do with this issue.
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ruawakeyet said:
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Hongosamongus said: Has anybody noticed a difference in potency with Pans depending on when they're picked? Seems that this hasn't ever been definitively proven either way even with P. cubensis, so I don't expect anything but anecdotal reports, but any ideas?
Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
Hongos, I'll speak for myself here, but I have been wondering if you aren't simply trolling this thread for some time now. Literally every question I have seen you ask has answers that can be found in this thread. It might take some reading and searching, but why should the same questions be answered every few weeks when they have already been answered 50 times in the past? That is the main reason this thread is up to page 1,285. I see no reason to continue posting here unless it is a new revelation that makes growing Pans easier, or some eye candy pictures that has always inspired me to become a better grower through learning more. Reading this thread from the beginning in addition to every word of write-ups from other talented growers has elevated my skills beyond what I ever hoped for. After that, it's hard to come up with questions that haven't been answered many times already.
IMO, it'd be nice if noobs would read what has already been done. If there are still legitimate questions after that then fire away. If you are wondering why you aren't getting many responses, it has to do with this issue.
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ruawakeyet said:
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Hongosamongus said: Has anybody noticed a difference in potency with Pans depending on when they're picked? Seems that this hasn't ever been definitively proven either way even with P. cubensis, so I don't expect anything but anecdotal reports, but any ideas?
Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
Hongos, I'll speak for myself here, but I have been wondering if you aren't simply trolling this thread for some time now. Literally every question I have seen you ask has answers that can be found in this thread. It might take some reading and searching, but why should the same questions be answered every few weeks when they have already been answered 50 times in the past? That is the main reason this thread is up to page 1,285. I see no reason to continue posting here unless it is a new revelation that makes growing Pans easier, or some eye candy pictures that has always inspired me to become a better grower through learning more. Reading this thread from the beginning in addition to every word of write-ups from other talented growers has elevated my skills beyond what I ever hoped for. After that, it's hard to come up with questions that haven't been answered many times already.
IMO, it'd be nice if noobs would read what has already been done. If there are still legitimate questions after that then fire away. If you are wondering why you aren't getting many responses, it has to do with this issue.
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Hongosamongus said: Has anybody noticed a difference in potency with Pans depending on when they're picked? Seems that this hasn't ever been definitively proven either way even with P. cubensis, so I don't expect anything but anecdotal reports, but any ideas?
Also, It'd be nice for us noobs if people might get back to answering some basic questions instead of what seems to me to be a lot of congratulatory dick waiving for successful grows. Thanks in advance.
Hongos, I'll speak for myself here, but I have been wondering if you aren't simply trolling this thread for some time now. Literally every question I have seen you ask has answers that can be found in this thread. It might take some reading and searching, but why should the same questions be answered every few weeks when they have already been answered 50 times in the past? That is the main reason this thread is up to page 1,285. I see no reason to continue posting here unless it is a new revelation that makes growing Pans easier, or some eye candy pictures that has always inspired me to become a better grower through learning more. Reading this thread from the beginning in addition to every word of write-ups from other talented growers has elevated my skills beyond what I ever hoped for. After that, it's hard to come up with questions that haven't been answered many times already.
IMO, it'd be nice if noobs would read what has already been done. If there are still legitimate questions after that then fire away. If you are wondering why you aren't getting many responses, it has to do with this issue.
I agree but with threads that have so much pages (like this one) its not eazy to "bookmark" usefull information and some people dont have time/patience to read all pages. Antoher problem is there are sometimes contradictive (is that a word?🙂) opinions on some stuff.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shr00mFer]
#27738809 - 04/17/22 02:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hello guys, do you have some experiences with growing pans on canary seeds ? I would like to inoculate canary seeds grain with panaeolus culture. Is it good choice? Or millet (or another grain) is better? What you can say about canary seeds and pans growing? Thanks for sharing your experiences.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shr00mFer] 2
#27738812 - 04/17/22 02:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I personally haven’t figured out how to do searches specifically within this thread. If I could figure this out I’d have no need to even ask any questions. Expecting people to read through this whole thread to answer their own questions is honestly a little bit bitch ass and unrealistic. Like because you struggled and put in a bunch of time to figure this out you expect everyone to do that. Where is the actual love homie? Gate keeping a hobby to lift yourself up is some toxic shit
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