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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils] 5
#27732398 - 04/13/22 07:40 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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 Pan cyan Central Florida cake
NecD RDU = RedNec
Edited by V.L (04/13/22 08:03 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L]
#27732411 - 04/13/22 07:52 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ekabpils said: Second flush of Aussi X Bali Indonesia:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hongosamongus]
#27732563 - 04/13/22 09:34 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hongosamongus said: Has anybody used straw pellets for the straw portion of their bulk substrate for pans? I just got some wheat straw pellets that were sold as animal bedding and when hydrated they turn into a muddy consistency - really hard to check for field capacity because the stuff must be like powder before they pellet it...I don't see what the advantage of this stuff is over coir - should I ditch it and just go with coir/manure?
Also don't see how you'd mix this stuff properly with coir and manure...seems that a big part of the straw would be to keep the mixture "fluffy".
I might also be getting confused by old posts that advocate the use of straw in one form or another. Sorry for running over old ground, but what would be your ideal substrate for Pan. tropicalis? I finally have three nice jars of spawn and don't want to blow it...
Yes you can use straw pellets but I have not had the best results with it. Straw provides nutrients that pans want, and also provides an airy/fluffy substrate base. With straw pellets, you only get the nutrients and not the fluffy base. You can make it work by using coir as your base, adding verm and then a small amount of straw pellets (like 10% of your total mixture) just for the nutrients. I have had some success with that blend, and with many other variations that have no straw or straw-pellets, such as coir/manure, verm/manure, coir/verm/manure etc. But I keep coming back to straw/verm/manure. Straw provides more fluff than coir as a base, even though both will absolutely work.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27732610 - 04/13/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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100% this
Panaeolus myc needs to fluff up, so a substrate with lots of gaps is preferred. Straw creates a lattice for them and poo clings to it.
Pellets won't provide that
Nitrogen cycle studies basically show that grass is extremely low in N, so I think the poo offsets that deficiency
The rest of the sub is providing higher field cap versus what S/P can hold for flushes imho
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Snazz] 4
#27732730 - 04/13/22 11:34 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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 got some. Not my best work.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
#27732825 - 04/13/22 12:40 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hell yeah! Those are cute! It kinda looks like there’s two phenotypes there as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sagescruffy]
#27732836 - 04/13/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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jealous, took pan bisporus print from psilopsychin (?) to agar today
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27733098 - 04/13/22 03:44 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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second this notion
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ekabpils]
#27733563 - 04/13/22 09:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ekabpils said: Second flush of Aussi X Bali Indonesia:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27733682 - 04/13/22 10:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hindsight said:
Yes that is normal height. Pan Cyans grow taller but Pan Bispos are shorter and fatter:
Thank you. Do you have a grow.log for those bispo boxes you showed? If not What type of chamber are you using?
My Bisporus update:

Pan bisporus Trip report:
I ate 10g fresh as did my girlfriend. (Note: 22g wet dried out to just 0.7 g! So my dose was equivalent to about 0.35 if these were just as wet, and I'd compare it in strength to 1/8th of regular cubes)
Come up started within 30 minutes and both of us felt an annoyed/angry sensation with the come up. Neither of us were in an annoyed frame of mind and there weren't outstanding tensions.
After a while, that feeling subsided and the best way I could describe it is having both "phases" of the trip happening at the same time. To explain further, My trips on cubensis are usually marked by being very cold and couch locked, followed by about an hour later when the peak subsides, becoming hot, sweaty, and having a desire to walk around/explore.
With the pan Bisporus, I was simultaneously hot and cold. Sweating while freezing, and the very next moment boiling hot, or both simultaneously. This wasn't incredibly unpleasant, and we both were laughing hysterically about this sensation.
Since this was a low dose, we opted to watch a comedy movie - Vacation Friends. This was an excellent choice and the movie was hysterical in our state.
After the movie we had some emotional talks - emotions were heightened and more accessible, some of this was hard due to the subject matter but still was overall very beneficial.
Visuals:
The visuals were apparent, colors were very accentuated, and everything had a "warbling" appearance to it. These weren't much different than cubensis, but this was also a very low dose and I don't get visuals until high doses of cubensis.
Body load:
I felt almost no body sensations. No tingles, though I did feel some queasiness/stomach upset at one point.
I can't compare this to other pan species as I've only had Cubensis before now. I am looking forward to trying higher doses.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n]
#27733729 - 04/14/22 12:24 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Any ideas as to the apparent significant differences between Cubes and Pans? From what I've read, besides higher per volume psilocin/psilocybin content, there's urea (which shouldn't do anything but make them taste odd) tryptophan (not enough to matter) and serotonin, and I'm wondering if it's this last constituent that might be the kicker. If it's a significant amount, then people taking certain antidepressants had better be extra careful. "Serotonin syndrome" really does suck. Probably not common...
Any ideas about this?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hongosamongus]
#27733754 - 04/14/22 01:11 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Karrion, thanks for the report! However I dont believe there would be only 0.35g if you say it felt like 3.5g of Cubes, since that would mean 10x Cube potency. 5x Cube potency is much more realistic so I think you guys took close to a gram.
I've only had Bisporus once (besides a minidose) at 0.5g from an old, not well-stored stash, and I remember there was so little body load I kept asking myself if what I'm feeling is the comeup, because it felt so unfamiliar. The visuals (OEV) were extremely ornate and everything looked like beautiful diamonds or something. The mushrooms have a mind of their own, my CEVs were basically just a nature landscape (I only remember seeing one single scenery) and they didn't even react to music.
After this mini-trip I was GLOWING for a week, which never happened before, but surely it was at least in part due to set and setting and me being excited about other stuff.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27734028 - 04/14/22 07:49 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Adas said: Karrion, thanks for the report! However I dont believe there would be only 0.35g if you say it felt like 3.5g of Cubes, since that would mean 10x Cube potency. 5x Cube potency is much more realistic so I think you guys took close to a gram.
This is my estimate as well. Somewhere between 0.5 and 1g.
The batch that I weighed at 20g that dried to 0.7 felt wetter than the ones that I ate the day before.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n]
#27734064 - 04/14/22 08:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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20 down to 0.7 must literally have been dripping wet. I've never even head of this.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27734274 - 04/14/22 10:53 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that sounds about right, there was some water on the caps and the stipes were translucent.
It was 22.7g at first and 20.3 after an hour or two sitting in open air.
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Edited by karri0n (04/14/22 10:54 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers]
#27734498 - 04/14/22 02:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Moopers said: Bisporus on manure/straw, spawned 7 days ago, smells good. How are we looking?

Not sure when to case bispo, but based on teks I think this needs at least a few more days to get puffier myc all over it, not just in patches, yes?
Any more thoughts on the above? I plan to case tomorrow, 2 days after photo was taken. It seems to have gotten just a bit less patchy since the above photo.
Also, update on my first babatub of Jambo. 50:50 coir:hpoo

And jars of Panaeolus × PHV colonizing millet, will spawn to another babatub soon.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Moopers]
#27734716 - 04/14/22 05:26 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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What differences have you guy's noticed between poo/straw and poo/coir as a substrate?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#27734725 - 04/14/22 05:35 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Are Pan. tropicalis fruits normally this small? They're really tiny, nothing good in there for scale, but that's one of those mini hygrometer/thermometers that burns out in a week or so.
At least I got something - this is my first attempt to get pans to fruit.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#27735094 - 04/14/22 09:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: What differences have you guy's noticed between poo/straw and poo/coir as a substrate?
Will be doing a side by side of exactly this soon with Bisporus.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n] 2
#27735126 - 04/14/22 09:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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My first attempt at fruiting ATL#7 is looking pretty successful. I even have a fruit growing on top of a fruit (left on pic) which I thought was pretty cool.

The MSS was marked Psilocybe Galindoi, Strain: ATL#7 but I've run across posts saying this is a tamp? Hell, Im not sure Im even posting in the correct forum but I see folks talking about ATL here so forgive me If I got it wrong.
Anyway, Im totally new to this species (can anyone clarify what I have?) and noticed a lack of bruising when I harvested some of the mature fruits from this flush. Is that normal?
I tossed them in the dehydrator for 8 hours and they seem cracker dry, but how long do folks typically run them for? I run cubes for 24 hours, but there's hardly any mass to these, figured 24 hours might turn them to ash .
A bit of background on the grow if it helps: MSS -> agar (2 transfers) -> millet (stones were present by 100% colonization) -> 50% sheep & peet (couldn't source hpoo)/50% CV uncased in a JCM-style setup.
On the topic of casing, I had given up on these flushes a couple of days ago since they looked stalled, 8 days in and the surface was no where near 100% colonized (growth just clustered around grains). I figured it was lack of hpoo and my poor decisions on the sheep & peet. Went to clean them up a day or so ago and saw fruits. That was exciting and confusing. I think I was reading too much on fruiting Pans and totally botched this grow but happy to have results (and a few prints brewing now).
If anyone has some advice for this noob it'd be much appreciated. I'm still continually amazed and the depth and breadth of information available on these forums, you folks are amazing!
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