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Teemo 6T3
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrms]
#23945100 - 12/21/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait for full colonization, leave it alone.
As long as you got it to field capacity when you spawned you should be fine, pans don't need as much water as cubes do, so don't worry too much about it being dry for now.
They look really good, update us, your so lucky you got healthy mycelium there, while we are stuck here with cleaning out spores on agar
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
#23945106 - 12/21/16 02:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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what gypsum was used in makeing the pancakes was it the garden fertilizer type or the white powder used for tofu
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
#23945121 - 12/21/16 02:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Teemo 6T3 said: Wait for full colonization, leave it alone.
As long as you got it to field capacity when you spawned you should be fine, pans don't need as much water as cubes do, so don't worry too much about it being dry for now.
They look really good, update us, your so lucky you got healthy mycelium there, while we are stuck here with cleaning out spores on agar 
I did also some transfers on agar before I inoculated my WBS jars with a piece of agar. It was not an single isolate but it showed regular growth.
The LC was created from the same agar plate, but only used for one bottle tek jar.
But good to know that everything is looking good so far, I will update here how it is going on.
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrms]
#23945173 - 12/21/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like how you are comparing different teks and a couple of different substrate recipes rather than "putting all your eggs in one basket".
Normally i'd be concerned about the high ratio of horse poo to verm. Depending on the texture of the horse poo the sub might be on the dense side- but since its colonizing nicely its probably ok.
If those tray pics are 5 days colonized maybe another 6-8 days should get you to 100%.
Mycelia looks happy- best wishes!
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Thanks for your feedback so far.
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mary fairchild said: Normally i'd be concerned about the high ratio of horse poo to verm. Depending on the texture of the horse poo the sub might be on the dense side- but since its colonizing nicely its probably ok.
I asked the same question to myself but finally sticked to it because when I remember correctly this is what RR suggested in one of his videos (add 10 to 20% vermiculite and about 5% gypsum)
We will See how it works, new spawn is currently colonizing for future projects.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrms]
#23945806 - 12/21/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have made a thread in contam forum. Would anyone mind looking there?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23945800
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Psynonim said: Hi all.
So I have managed to fruit Pan cambo sandose on the first run but there there where signs of contamination at the end of the grow and then I dug into the substrate and found it green with mold. I remember reading somewhere that one should not eat shrooms like this. What can happen if i where to eat them.
Fruits 2 days before harvest: 
Shit on the casing: 
What shrooms grew out of: 
Inside the substrate : 
My jars that I have tossed away already. What is it in them???

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23945940 - 12/21/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Regarding the jars- this looks a lot like blueing that I've seen with cambo Goliath in grain jars- a kind-of deep blue green color- did they smell ok? Did it look like this- this jar led to product.

If thats what it was its not bad at all and may correlate with high potency. People call it "bruising" but I think when some of the mycelia gets old it releases psilocin that oxidizes to give the color. Baocystin may also be involved.
For the trays- when a grow gets old its natural for it to get invaded by molds, bacteria- maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't worry about it. In the wild shrooms grow in an environment filled with molds anyway.
Congrats on the grow!
Edited by mary fairchild (12/22/16 08:34 AM)
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goliath tends to bruise if you just look at em hard enough haha..like mary says, you've got to smell them. that's the only way to really investigate it
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: funkymonk22]
#23948135 - 12/22/16 05:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'd say the coloring increases with age in grain jars too. I don't think I have seen bruising before 100%, but I can see a shake doing that in some cases temporarily.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrms]
#23949000 - 12/22/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey,
after my post a few days ago I just had a look on my two pan. tropicalis trays and unfortunately discovered something weird 
Here the pictures 8 days post spawning to bulk:
Tray one:

What kind of mold is growing here? It looks like there is another kind of mycelium on top of the "good" mycelium... and as you can see there are already tiny dark spots.
Tray 2:

Looks good here as far I can judge...
Here are my questions:
1. What is growing on tray1 and what to do with it? (dump + cry / H2O2 + FAE / anything else?) 2. There are some big waterdrops on both surfaces, remove or ignore? 3. Does incubation of the trays encourage mold growth? What's state of the art technique?
I would really appreciate suggestions
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrms]
#23949020 - 12/22/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks like rhizopus in the first tray
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrms]
#23949479 - 12/22/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shrms said: Hey,
after my post a few days ago I just had a look on my two pan. tropicalis trays and unfortunately discovered something weird 
Here the pictures 8 days post spawning to bulk:
Tray one:

What kind of mold is growing here? It looks like there is another kind of mycelium on top of the "good" mycelium... and as you can see there are already tiny dark spots.
Tray 2:

Looks good here as far I can judge...
Here are my questions:
1. What is growing on tray1 and what to do with it? (dump + cry / H2O2 + FAE / anything else?) 2. There are some big waterdrops on both surfaces, remove or ignore? 3. Does incubation of the trays encourage mold growth? What's state of the art technique?
I would really appreciate suggestions 
1. Cover the tray and look at it in another 4 days- if the black flecks increase in size or number dramatically you may have something else growing. Also if you are seeing different growth forms - its normal for mycelia to show different forms as it matures. Fuzzy gray, or any colors are bad.
2. I dont sop up the water drops. Others may.
3. Incubation encourages mold and mycelia growth- but since you are starting with so much more mycelia thats actively growing it USUALLY prevents mold/bacteria from getting a foothold, or at least from taking over. Exception is when your mycelia is growing slow (weak genetics) or if the starting grain spawn was contaminated.
Once tray is covered with foil I usually take a peek at in on day 5 and ~day 10-14 depending on how well it was colonized on day 5. You can leave it for a few more days anyway after it reaches 100%, to consolidate. Opening it too often lowers CO2 level which messes up the growth.
Based on the pics i'm not convinced you have a problem yet.
Edited by mary fairchild (12/24/16 06:23 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: van hatton]
#23958557 - 12/26/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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christmas cambo pins 
 not sure what these are but thinking pan cambo also. From print that just said "pan"
Edited by Sarah Tonin (12/26/16 07:50 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23959840 - 12/27/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sarah Tonin said:

christmas cambo pins 
 not sure what these are but thinking pan cambo also. From print that just said "pan"
  
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23959865 - 12/27/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Sarah Tonin said:

christmas cambo pins 
 not sure what these are but thinking pan cambo also. From print that just said "pan"

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: enlightenment]
#23959921 - 12/27/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23960025 - 12/27/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Teemo 6T3
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23961814 - 12/28/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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