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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: ruawakeyet] 3
#27669097 - 02/22/22 11:30 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I noticed something interesting with a tray of Pan Cyan Peace River yesterday. This is the first tray of Peace River I have fruited. Very dense pin-set, that is then shooting up handfuls of mature fruits while most of the pins kind of languish a bit. BVI did this to me too, to a lesser extent.
But the main thing I want to mention here is that it was looking somewhat dry, despite the rest of the trays in my tent looking too wet, so without making any other changes, I used my atomizing mist spray bottle to spray the fruits in order to get some extra moisture in there. Within 8 hours, a ton of pins/fruits turned blue! I don't know if they will abort or not but this is the first time I have seen it and I'm wondering if maybe there can sometimes be validity to people who used to claim misting pans will cause aborts. I don't generally mist my pans because my cycles generally make things perfect, but I do feel like I've misted on rare occasion before without negative effect, so I think this is a first.
The photo makes it look like less of a problem than it is - it's hard to see the blue color of dozens of some of those tiny pins, but their caps did turn blue. Not all of them, but a lot. If you expand the photo ALL the way out you can see it fairly well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27669121 - 02/22/22 11:44 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Interesting. I hope they perform better next flush.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27669208 - 02/22/22 12:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Is this a clone that you have run before Hindsight? Had this happen to me as well, like almost a whole tub turned blue although I can give them a good mist usually. I have hunch that this might be contam related.
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PsiloPsychIn said: Thank you Baba Yaga, Hindsight, and Adas for the reassurance. Baba - I can see quite a few of those concentrations with metabolites oozing out on the surface of that tub. Thanks for that picture. On another note… Do either of you use LC or LI for your pans? I’m giving it some thought. I’ve never heard of anyone trying a GLC / GLI but I might give it a shot. (LI from colonized grain jar shaken with sterile water). I’ve been thinking about doing bigger grows of the pans so thinking of ways to get more substrate inoculated …
On yet another note … a Ps. Mexicana (Chicon Nindo) taking up some real estate in my pan fruiting chamber:

I use LC to grain almost exclusively cause inoculating with LC is so much easier in a SAB. I got 20 250ml and 20 100ml media bottles which are the perfect size for my size of grows. The only weird thing is that my pan LC has a hard time to recover on my grain while other species are doing fine. But I found a workaround for this.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#27669248 - 02/22/22 01:23 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I just noticed something extremely exciting to me - Another one of my bispo trays is pinning but while that is exciting in of itself, what is even more exciting is that I used only verm and manure as the substrate. Nothing more. If this produces a solid flush, that is going to be so awesome since verm is easier, faster, and cheaper to work with than coir and straw (well straw is cheaper but I suspect prone to consistency/contam issues based on my personal experience).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Hindsight]
#27669251 - 02/22/22 01:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Nice, what ratio were you using and are you prepping both separately or do you pasteurize together? Verm is twice as expensive as coir around here.
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#27669266 - 02/22/22 01:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Wellcome Woxrx Nice to see a sg fc grow. Do the tray stand on the perlite or is it raised above the perlite.
Adas can't wait to see what you up to.
Pislo about GLC as I told ruawakeyet some pages back i have run My clone from a Growkit 14 months only G2G. By GLC. Tech. My growkit i cloned with a syringe with steril water. (blow in an suck back) an Then on maiz corn. I use the big feedind Mais for Horses not for pop corn. Cost me under a doller pr kg. My pc Can hold 9 Small glasses with corn an with it i put 3 10ml syringe fuld of water.These syringes i use to clone 3 full colonized glassets (1-4 weeks after full colonization) so i get 3 New clons from each. I have a contame rate at 25-30% an allways bacteria ind a SAB. . My mycelium have never been on agar by me Sorry My bad english just ask If you want some more details. Todays harvest

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27669292 - 02/22/22 01:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Nice, what ratio were you using and are you prepping both separately or do you pasteurize together? Verm is twice as expensive as coir around here.
For this tray I used 4:1 V:M, mixed together dry, brought to field cap, pasteurized same way I do all my subs now via 12 hour instapot, then added additional water to bring back up to field cap. The verm breaks down a bit and starts to feel a little more pasty/muddy than I like but looking at the pins coming through it doesn't seem to be a problem. The pins look pretty fat too.
I haven't really done the math on price of verm/coir but just feel like verm is cheaper. I could be wrong - I need to add it all up. I just forget what I paid for the bag. The bag I got is massive - like the size of a person, and I think it was like $30-$40?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27669317 - 02/22/22 02:19 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: I noticed something interesting with a tray of Pan Cyan Peace River yesterday. This is the first tray of Peace River I have fruited. Very dense pin-set, that is then shooting up handfuls of mature fruits while most of the pins kind of languish a bit. BVI did this to me too, to a lesser extent.
But the main thing I want to mention here is that it was looking somewhat dry, despite the rest of the trays in my tent looking too wet, so without making any other changes, I used my atomizing mist spray bottle to spray the fruits in order to get some extra moisture in there. Within 8 hours, a ton of pins/fruits turned blue! I don't know if they will abort or not but this is the first time I have seen it and I'm wondering if maybe there can sometimes be validity to people who used to claim misting pans will cause aborts. I don't generally mist my pans because my cycles generally make things perfect, but I do feel like I've misted on rare occasion before without negative effect, so I think this is a first.
The photo makes it look like less of a problem than it is - it's hard to see the blue color of dozens of some of those tiny pins, but their caps did turn blue. Not all of them, but a lot. If you expand the photo ALL the way out you can see it fairly well.

This can happen quite randomly. Misting style also makes a difference. Misting from close vs. far, tiny droplets or large ones. I'm not sure what misting style I've used before for my Pans, but my last attempt did not survive misting. Not a single fruit. I guess I was misting too hard and it created too much "wind" and too heavy of a hit for the fruits to handle. I'll try to mist slowly with larger droplets next run. Then again, my last run had some other major issues as well so it could have been that (it was the culture that was beautiful then "died" all of a sudden).
I hope this helps a lil bit.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Adas]
#27669341 - 02/22/22 02:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks Adas, good to know I'm not alone. The mister I use is one of those hair misters that provides an extremely fine mist - it's almost like a fog - very atomized. No big droplets. I sprayed it from a distance and let the fine mist slowly fall through the air and land on the fruits.
It's just odd to me because it rains in nature and the mushrooms love it. Why would it be any different in a tent? Whatever the case, my goal in my tent has always been to avoid any type of manual intervention or any type of cycle changes that represent fast-moving or drastic changes in conditions - to just slowly adjust cycles as-needed to provide perfect conditions. I'm going to stick with that fully from now on and avoid any manual intervention (aside from bottom watering when required).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Adas] 3
#27669371 - 02/22/22 02:46 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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This is one of mine with lots of aborts after misting, it also had green growing on the bottom which I noticed when I chucked it on the compost pile. It doesn't happen all that often and I will try taking notes and see if there is a correlation.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27669388 - 02/22/22 02:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Yea that's very strange then. Maybe what they want is large drops actually, like rain I have given Tamps and Pans a literal shower before, and they did great.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Adas] 2
#27669731 - 02/22/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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How's this Jambo myc look? First time interpreting pan myc...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Melliferous] 1
#27669736 - 02/22/22 07:49 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Looks good to me.
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#27669885 - 02/22/22 10:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hi Melliferous it looks pantastic good luck.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27670161 - 02/23/22 07:54 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: This is one of mine with lots of aborts after misting, it also had green growing on the bottom which I noticed when I chucked it on the compost pile. It doesn't happen all that often and I will try taking notes and see if there is a correlation.

I've also noticed they don't like direct misting at all. Idk if its something in the tap water or slight temperature drop, but the caps turns black. But they should survive a rain in the nature? Then whats wrong with misting?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: wxorx]
#27670164 - 02/23/22 07:58 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Do pans ever pin from grains in jars?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
#27670174 - 02/23/22 08:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I've never seen a pan pin anywhere except after casing. I have a bunch of unknown pins coming up in the tent. Removed my labeled lids and took them out
Either got pans, mexs, or semps. I guess I won't know for either days or weeks
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#27670189 - 02/23/22 08:25 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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smalltalk_canceled said: Do pans ever pin from grains in jars?
I've never seen it but I have gotten plate pins before so I don't see why it couldn't happen. Plate pins with pans seem much more rare than cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread Questions Questions.. [Re: Hindsight]
#27670232 - 02/23/22 09:18 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hi i have never seen pin on My corn either. But I one time got a handfull normal size shroomes in My bulk bag after 2-3 weeks of full colonization with No casing. This is how My bulk bags looks
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#27670260 - 02/23/22 09:58 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Looks good to me.
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THE MYCOSMITH said: Hi Melliferous it looks pantastic good luck.
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Baba Yaga said:

Thanks for the feedback! I've got Wild Coast on grain too, almost ready to proceed onto the next step with these.
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