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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27634785 - 01/27/22 06:52 AM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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Hindsight said: I’ve had some come out like that. As best I could tell it was just genetics but I haven’t grown enough to say that’s it for sure.
Right... They won't drop spores either. Seems like I have to swab them
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27635043 - 01/27/22 10:54 AM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Having said this, half the pins in two three of my tubs have turned blue over night after misting yesterday, that has never happened to this degree before.
Those pans are always good for a surprise....good ones and "oh noooo" ones, lol.
Ah so you're also getting this problem recently? I thought I was the only one. Always misted my Bunnell like crazy and they never aborted like mad, so this is a first such failure for me. I wonder if it's because it's winter or what the hell.
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Hindsight said: I’ve had some come out like that. As best I could tell it was just genetics but I haven’t grown enough to say that’s it for sure.
Right... They won't drop spores either. Seems like I have to swab them
Man is it just the light or are their gills BLUE? Never seen that with Pans.
Edited by Adas (01/27/22 10:57 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey]
#27635255 - 01/27/22 02:28 PM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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odissey said: What's up with these dudes?

All twisted and spotted. Could it be because I only used verm this time? Or maybe I added too much lime...
I think it's genetics, my first run of the wild coast red spores were all funky, and my BVI's also came out pretty odd straight from the print. They both grew in exactly (within reason) the same conditions as other non-retard crops.
Cloning got a crop of the BVIs I was happier with and I'm hoping to find a fruit worth cloning with the WCRS.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27635302 - 01/27/22 03:00 PM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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Right... They won't drop spores either. Seems like I have to swab them
Man is it just the light or are their gills BLUE? Never seen that with Pans.
I have not noticed any blue
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27635303 - 01/27/22 03:01 PM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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coversall said:
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odissey said: What's up with these dudes?

All twisted and spotted. Could it be because I only used verm this time? Or maybe I added too much lime...
I think it's genetics, my first run of the wild coast red spores were all funky, and my BVI's also came out pretty odd straight from the print. They both grew in exactly (within reason) the same conditions as other non-retard crops.
Cloning got a crop of the BVIs I was happier with and I'm hoping to find a fruit worth cloning with the WCRS.
Ah right. What about dropping spores? Would you say that is also genetics related?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey]
#27635306 - 01/27/22 03:03 PM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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odissey said:
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coversall said:
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odissey said: What's up with these dudes?

All twisted and spotted. Could it be because I only used verm this time? Or maybe I added too much lime...
I think it's genetics, my first run of the wild coast red spores were all funky, and my BVI's also came out pretty odd straight from the print. They both grew in exactly (within reason) the same conditions as other non-retard crops.
Cloning got a crop of the BVIs I was happier with and I'm hoping to find a fruit worth cloning with the WCRS.
Ah right. What about dropping spores? Would you say that is also genetics related?
that I'm not too sure on, the lazy answer would be "yes" haha.
I never printed from any of the funky fruit though so don't know whether mine were sporeless or something
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall] 2
#27635366 - 01/27/22 03:52 PM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Got some Nec-D on agar last night, I guess I can join the party now!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27635828 - 01/28/22 01:21 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Baba Yaga said: Having said this, half the pins in two three of my tubs have turned blue over night after misting yesterday, that has never happened to this degree before.
Those pans are always good for a surprise....good ones and "oh noooo" ones, lol.
Ah so you're also getting this problem recently? I thought I was the only one. Always misted my Bunnell like crazy and they never aborted like mad, so this is a first such failure for me. I wonder if it's because it's winter or what the hell.
I had to leave at 5 in the morning today and had a quick look at my tubs, one of the three that aborted had a little bit of white baby trich poking through right in the center. If the other two are getting it then the LC was the culprit if more are affected then it's the casing or substrate but LC is more likely. The good ol' contamalamadingdong hasn't showed it's face in a while.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#27635841 - 01/28/22 02:07 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Well as some of you following the saga may recall... I recently started up again and after some promising looking germinations, a transfer or two and nice looking cultures on millet, I spawned four trays, the growth looked really good, then I cased them, and I was feeling kinda cocky like... "I'm going to grow pans again!"
then one got trich, then another... I performed surgery on them. Then one I performed surgery a second time. All the while I was expecting the remaining two trays to erupt in trich. The butchered trich survivors seemed to be doing ok. I kept checking for pins - hey sometimes they show up in just a few days.

Then I identified a new issue. You might recall I moved my fruiting chamber out into the garage to make room for my wife to do some sewing in my grow area (where are her priorities?!). well it is kind of cold out in the garage. It turns out I can keep the chamber between 78-81 F and humidity is good (90-95%)... but what I just noticed the other day is that with the garage's colder air the temperature differential leads to a shit ton of condensation on the lid of the chamber - and I can now see that this is providing a sort of steady rain storm on my trays. Not misting.. big fat assed water drops! So I thought maybe that is why I'm not seeing pins... they are being strafed from above by water bombs before they can start to form!
I figured out that maybe if I Put a heavy towel or blanket on the lid the temperature will even out between the blanket and the plastic and there will not be such bad condensation... got to try that out tomorrow.
Then... then just when I was feeling very discouraged, one last check tonight and
PINS YAY PINS Woooo Hoooo! The Bunnell tray that has had surgery is starting to pop out a few areas of pins. Presuming that they do not get destroyed over night be the condensation rain bombs, maybe this grow will not be a total failure.
Thanks again to our good man Adas for the Bunnell print(s). They seem to be very strong genetics. Even surviving this noob's abuse!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27635869 - 01/28/22 03:43 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Hell yeah brother! If they can survive real thunderstorms in nature, a few drops shouldn't kill them. But yeah, a towel will be great. Strong genetics indeed! Can't wait to see the flush!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27635935 - 01/28/22 05:57 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Good to hear you had success! I also have this condensation issue. I may just try your idea 
however, my pan jambos fruited quite well and they were absolutely SOAKED so I am not sure this is really a problem
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey] 1
#27636008 - 01/28/22 07:53 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Congrats PsiloPsychin! For the condensation, if the towel doesn't work, you can tilt the lid so the drops run down the lid to the side instead of falling, but you'd then need to seal with cling wrap to close the gaps up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 6
#27636199 - 01/28/22 11:23 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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I haven't had anything to contribute lately, but I've still been following the thread.
I've had some pathetic flushes lately, plus a few trays lost to trich. The temperatures are too cold outside to keep the room temperature where it needs to be, so I've been battling excessive condensation in the tent. I have decided to pack it up until warmer temperatures return.
Out of all the failures lately, I did manage to beat my old size record with this beauty:
After dabbing the excess water off the cap, it weighed in at 10.7 grams fresh. It measured 120 mm tall and the cap was 58 mm across at the widest point. It dried down to 0.7 grams dry, I can't wait to eat this monster!
Strain: PHV Method: Essentially I'm following JOC Tek. I do things my own way, and I have yet to pull down flushes like Jake. I will get there someday... I hope.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27636221 - 01/28/22 11:41 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Nice job! That's huge. I don't think I've had a fruit bigger than 3g
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27636242 - 01/28/22 12:04 PM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Greetings pan cultivators!
Wondering if you have any advice for me....this is my first time growing pans and I'm not sure how much substrate to order.
I've only done one BRF cake cube grow before this. It went pretty good. Nothing spectacular but got some nice fruits. Kind of diving in the deep end here with pans and agar but once I read up on these little guys I knew they were the mushrooms I wanted to grow.
I bought a spore print (NecD) and started with agar. The jars below are from T2 plates.
So I'm planning to use a 54 quart monotub and I'm wondering how much substrate to order. I've got 4 quart jars of spawn if nothing goes awry and I have 2 of the 54 quart tubs.
Was thinking of ordering the dehydrated horse manure and miniature bales of straw from here: https://mycosupply.com/product/dehydrated-dried-horse-manure/ and https://mycosupply.com/product/miniature-bale-of-shredded-wheat-straw/ ** Would 5lbs of the manure and one bale of straw do it? **
I think I have about a week to sort this out based on this pic from yesterday:

Here's the plates they came from:
  
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hairy Beary] 1
#27636294 - 01/28/22 12:52 PM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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I would not advise you to grow your first pans in 54 quart tubs - it's not the tub part I'm advising against so much as it is the volume. Pans are more difficult to grow and when it goes to shit, you'll lose a lot more than if you try several smaller scale grows. I would suggest sticking with 8x8" brownie pans, or 9x13 brownie pans at MOST. If you want to do tubs I would do 6qt shoeboxes.
Having said that, I haven't seen anyone post any success growing NecD in monotubs. That doesn't mean it won't work, but you'd be pioneering there and that won't give you the best odds for success. Your best bet would be to build a cheap and simple JCM fruiting chamber (big tub, aquarium heater, aquarium air pump and air stones, and a rack that sits above water level to put your trays on).
As for substrate, I have not heard of a lot of people having great success with store-bought dried manure aka manure pellets. I have no personal experience with them so take that for what it cost you - maybe someone here who's had good luck with them will chime in. Straw and manure are very trick in my experience. If I were just starting out, to help me get through the learning curve I'd just buy a bag of JOC's pre-made substrate and then pasteurize it via instapot or another method. Google "Pan Bulk Substrate". If you want to do your own, I would suggest coir+manure instead of straw as I find the success rates to be higher (contam rates lower), and I would really try to get some manure locally before I'd buy the pellets. Call up local horse ranches (if there are any) and ask for manure for your garden. Most have piles of it that you can take.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27636395 - 01/28/22 02:21 PM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: I haven't had anything to contribute lately, but I've still been following the thread.
I've had some pathetic flushes lately, plus a few trays lost to trich. The temperatures are too cold outside to keep the room temperature where it needs to be, so I've been battling excessive condensation in the tent. I have decided to pack it up until warmer temperatures return.
Out of all the failures lately, I did manage to beat my old size record with this beauty:
After dabbing the excess water off the cap, it weighed in at 10.7 grams fresh. It measured 120 mm tall and the cap was 58 mm across at the widest point. It dried down to 0.7 grams dry, I can't wait to eat this monster!
Strain: PHV Method: Essentially I'm following JOC Tek. I do things my own way, and I have yet to pull down flushes like Jake. I will get there someday... I hope.

I hear that, growing in the winter can be really hit or miss for me.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27636470 - 01/28/22 03:40 PM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Thank you Hindsight. I clearly needed a bit of a reality check.
I will try to get JOC's pre-made substrate. I'm happy to buy pre-made at this point in my journey though I do have a pressure cooker.
The bubble chamber was the other fruiting option I was looking into so I can do that instead. Don't love the idea of pumps running 24/7 and dig the simplicity of monotubs but success is more important than my preferences. Maybe I can turn these two tubs I have into chambers.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27636512 - 01/28/22 04:07 PM (2 years, 23 hours ago) |
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Wow areyouawakeyet Very nice fruit! Huge but also very well formed - just a very happy mushroom because you took good care of it.
Here are those pins I thought I wouldn’t see. The one with a bunch of fruits is the Bunnell the other with just a few tiny pins is wild Coast. I’m still hoping some pins might pop up on the jambos but the Nec-D hit the rubbish bin.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27636887 - 01/28/22 11:49 PM (2 years, 15 hours ago) |
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Those pins are looking happy Psilo*, and I hope they are continuing to do so and pulling through.
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ruawakeyet said: I've had some pathetic flushes lately, plus a few trays lost to trich. The temperatures are too cold outside to keep the room temperature where it needs to be, so I've been battling excessive condensation in the tent. I have decided to pack it up until warmer temperatures return.
That is the biggest fruit I've seen so far ruawakeyet, massive! Absolutely on the same train regarding not growing during the cold seasons. It's just too much of a hassle to keep conditions up.
Update on the tubs with aborts:
The other tubs didn't turn green so far so the one that triched out got probably infected during the LC pour. All of the five C2T4 clone tubs have aborted fruits and now they are throwing out crazy clusters that grow into dwarf fruits. This clone gets officially decommissioned as of today.
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