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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angam]
#27625596 - 01/20/22 10:13 AM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Beautiful as always! How do they differ from previous grows?
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MandalaMind
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus] 2
#27625665 - 01/20/22 11:00 AM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Watup guys? I've been gone for a while, i see all of you still killing it, good luck with your grows!
My V-teks didn't fruit, just a few days ago they started bruising, tbh i haven't been paying too much attention to them, maybe if i would fan&mist them more often things would've been different but i haven't have too much time for sideprojects, like at all.
I'm planning to start some pan cambo project again in 2 weeks or so, maybe sooner if the bunnell cyan print will arrive, until then my time is very sacred.
cya around!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MandalaMind]
#27626543 - 01/21/22 01:14 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Getting lots of skinny, small pins that grow very slowly. Other trays get only miniature pins that never grow and if I try to water them they blue (start looking like miniature APEs) and die. Can't figure out the problem so far, apart from my experimental potting soil substrate and casing. Got 5 gallons of composted manure, so next trays will be less experimental I guess haha.
I still can't figure out the proper air humidity for fruiting. Seems like in nature they fruit at around 70% RH with lots of wind, so that would be like fruiting them in open room air. However, most people here recommend RH of more than 90%. I experimented with both and my pins still aren't doing great. I keep the temps okay at around 25 C.
How important is light for pans? I'm providing none and I know for example enokitake gets tall and skinny without light (and with more co2)?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: moonwatcher] 1
#27626583 - 01/21/22 03:02 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
moonwatcher said: Getting lots of skinny, small pins that grow very slowly. Other trays get only miniature pins that never grow and if I try to water them they blue (start looking like miniature APEs) and die. Can't figure out the problem so far, apart from my experimental potting soil substrate and casing. Got 5 gallons of composted manure, so next trays will be less experimental I guess haha.
I still can't figure out the proper air humidity for fruiting. Seems like in nature they fruit at around 70% RH with lots of wind, so that would be like fruiting them in open room air. However, most people here recommend RH of more than 90%. I experimented with both and my pins still aren't doing great. I keep the temps okay at around 25 C.
How important is light for pans? I'm providing none and I know for example enokitake gets tall and skinny without light (and with more co2)?


That casing looks funky.
iirc the thinking ended up being that if pins get wet then dry out they abort. It used to be said that they didn't like to get wet at all, but in the JCM fc they will all have water droplets on them while growing.

These drops aren't from misting or anything, just the RH.
I've grown mine out with dedicated light and with ambient and both have been fine, at least I haven't been able to notice a difference.
I would change your casing.
What chamber are you fruiting them in?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27626604 - 01/21/22 04:11 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Using proven materials at the beginning is of advantage and will help to concentrate on conditions so you can actually dial in your setup otherwise it's easy to get lost.
Your conditions are too dry in general, are you still fruiting in the oven?
Like what coversall said, pins are aborting after spraying when they have gotten too dry beforehand, I can spray pins no problem.

If you want to fruit cakes with simple methods then try a humidity chamber like here
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25339094#25339094
or build a SGFC and there is the JCM tub with an aquarium heater and air pump.
Ever thought to get into spawn? You could try a mono tub (see writeup in my signature)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27626680 - 01/21/22 06:38 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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At least I have one tray with good fat pins (knock on wood, I don't want to jinx it), if those reach printing size successfully, honestly I'll just make prints, put them in the fridge and forget about the pans until summer arrives. At least then I won't have to deal with having to provide heat, which is a huge PITA right now with my indoor temps of around 67F.

Meanwhile yeah, I think the problem is how compacted my sub and casing is, which doesn't allow any FAE to happen. The shitty soil casing is probably 1000 times less porous/airy than peat/verm. I've put a few stalled pinning trays inside a large tub, poured a thin layer of water in the bottom of the tub and put a PC fan inside to circulate air with the lid closed. Plus a led light inside to keep temps up. 95%+ humidity and lots of air movement, hopefully that will force fresh air in the sub and inbetween the myc fibers and get things moving.
I've also just spawned some grain to actual manure (and not potting soil), so that's kind of cool.
Edited by moonwatcher (01/21/22 06:41 AM)
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Hindsight
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: moonwatcher]
#27626697 - 01/21/22 06:53 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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I don’t feel pans like wind. My outdoor pans grow in a very sheltered place and if it gets windy, the caps start to toughen, crack, and growth slows or stops. I struggled at first when my tent cycles were too dry in between the wet cycles. If you look at all the success people have in a JCM, it can be assumed that pans like it as humid as possible, while still getting lots of FAE. Some people promote less humidity in order to get more surface evaporation and I do play around with that in my cycles but I dont think going to extremes is necessary and I think 90% RH and above, constantly is good.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27627101 - 01/21/22 12:57 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grim11311] 1
#27627388 - 01/21/22 04:25 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Speaking of proper fruiting procedure.
I just started to use my bigger tubs again and those have 4 bottom holes and a vented lid. I had holes at the top as well but figured these tubs work better when I tape them up and have FAE going just through the vented lid.
On my current run of pan cambo where I expose the sub to some degree of FAE during colonization I forgot to tape up the two top holes and had the bottom holes covered with 2 layers of MP-Tape like so.

Because of the open top holes, the tub received lots of FAE during colonization and I was wondering why the top of the substrate wouldn't thicken up. Only when I saw that the sub was drying out in one corner I realized my mistake which was 5 days in so I taped up the top holes and gave the tub a misting and the next day I had knots on the surface.
This is not cased, just a half way colonized top layer.

Will let this one run uncased.
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Drboomer
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27627391 - 01/21/22 04:28 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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I'm sure you covered this before but I can't seem to find it. What kind of holes are you running on your mini monos?
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Baba Yaga
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Drboomer]
#27627409 - 01/21/22 04:39 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Using the oldschool setup as this is what I got kicking around. Hole size it 1 1/4" or 30mm. Bigger tub is ~30 quart and the other one is ~25 quart.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 5
#27627557 - 01/21/22 07:06 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
I think you need more moisture in there I bet they would go nuts with wet feet.
I started syringe watering them daily and I ended up with this:

I could not be happier! Someone tell me Im pretty! Or that this tray of Nec-D is super pretty!
I think my water situation is now too much though and there is standing water in the tray. I put it back in the warmer FC to try and get it to dry out but I am thinking maybe I should just tilte the tray and suck it out with a syringe. Thoughts?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LeftSideDriver] 1
#27627562 - 01/21/22 07:09 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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That's a beautiful tray! Those are really solid motherfuckers.
Edit: regarding the standing water: I don't have a problem with it if it doesn't get too excessive. Yours looks fine but I wouldn't let it go any higher than that, some folks here do bottom water their subs to support a heavy pin set so for me it's kinda like that but without doing the work.
But you can suck it out as well of course, there should be plenty of moisture in the sub by now.
Edited by Baba Yaga (01/21/22 07:24 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27627594 - 01/21/22 07:36 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
Edit: regarding the standing water: I don't have a problem with it if it doesn't get too excessive. Yours looks fine but I wouldn't let it go any higher than that, some folks here do bottom water their subs to support a heavy pin set so for me it's kinda like that but without doing the work.
But you can suck it out as well of course, there should be plenty of moisture in the sub by now.
Thanks! I appreciate the advice!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LeftSideDriver] 1
#27627602 - 01/21/22 07:44 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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My experience is same as Baba's - standing water under the substrate surface level is fine. What I've been doing lately is starting the bottom watering after I harvest the first flush. The sides shrink away and I add enough water to fill about half way to the surface level. The substrate absorbs some of it and I just leave the rest there. Doesn't seem to hurt anything and gives bigger fruits.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27627786 - 01/21/22 11:39 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Will let this one run uncased.
Interesting. Do you do this often?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16188861#16188861
Seems like a relatively good canopy can be achieved even with overlaid, non-cased surface.
Edited by moonwatcher (01/21/22 11:42 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: moonwatcher]
#27627844 - 01/22/22 12:54 AM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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I haven done a few test before which went into this direction but it wasn't exactly the same and this tub now is a result of an accident but since I started to allow some FAE during colonization I got a hunch that a casing seems not to act as much of a pinning surface under these circumstances as pins are forming primarily within the thick top growth.
This will be the only one I do without a casing for now as I am going to pack up the lab stuff for the next 6 month but when I'm getting back into it I will start checking out if this phenomenon is repeatable and see what the potential of "fruiting @ spawn" has by pushing it even further. This accident showed me that it might be a path worthwhile exploring.
We will see in 4-6 days how this tub is going to end up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27627895 - 01/22/22 02:59 AM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Waiting on my Pan Cyan Estero print.

Here to learn and join in the fun. Was hoping to do agar to grain to bulk. Cheers all
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BVI, second flush. I am terrible with pan cyans, and most of these do not print but oh well 
I tried upping FAE even more to see if that helps the gills develop more.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycoplex] 1
#27628422 - 01/22/22 01:03 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Aren't they fun to harvest? lol my least favorite. My friends tripped on them - 2g I think, last weekend and said when they really hit, they couldn't really see for a little while. Also onset was 15 mins on an empty stomach.
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