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you talking about that wedge I cut at like 1/2 up the Qtip?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
#27605839 - 01/03/22 07:30 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yep..now I see it lol
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Hi folks I know opinions vary on this. I’m just taking an informal poll here… To Shake or Not To Shake - Pan Grain Spawn?
I’m getting back to it and have 4-5 jars of millet that pan wedges have colonized 1/3 to 1/2 of the jar.
I was tempted to just let them finish without a shake then I thought “what the hell?” And gave them a shake.
On a related note - has anyone tried GLC with Pans? Seems like maybe the mycelium would be too fragile but maybe I’m over thinking it.
One of those jars I shook:
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27606518 - 01/04/22 09:36 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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I like to shake when using A2G. Colonization takes too long without, and I would rather eliminate any cultures that have a tendency to stall before taking it to bulk.
I'm finally playing around with G2G for the first time, I initially shook after inoculating, and couldn't believe how fast colonization was, although 1 of the 2 jars didn't colonize completely and stalled. I am going to shake that one, I expect to see it finish.
That is tempting to test the GLC, I think it would work well, but I've certainly been wrong before.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27606534 - 01/04/22 09:50 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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I have not done a lot with GLC but the few times I did with cubes I was very impressed. Of course as with anything - your spawn has to be squeaky clean or your GLC will put your transfers on the fast track to ruin!
On a related note there is a very old thread on the Shroomery somewhere that does a systematic comparison of regular grain spawn compared to “rehydrated grain spawn” and the latter kicks ass.
The rehydrated recovers / leaps off and colonizes much faster than regular grain spawn and produces more on the first flush than regular grain spawn.
If I remember correctly this tek is very simple. All you do is wait for full colonization, then open your jar and pour in clean water until it covers the top of your colonized grain. In some instances that can be a little tricky because if the spawn breaks free from the sides of the jar it has a tendency to float. If this happens you just hold it down with clean fingers or a clean tool. When the water gets up to just over the top of the spawn you seal the jar back up and let it sit for 24 hours.
Then you pour off the extra water, and then break up your spawn and use it as you normally do to mix into your substrate.
This works great for cubes (especially jars you have let colonize a bit too long). I’m not sure how it would go with Pans - one might need to leave the substrate a tad drier than normal but that almost seems to defeat the purpose so if I tried it, I would just proceed as usual the first time….
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27606541 - 01/04/22 09:56 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Check out Fahtster work with drying out spawn and then making GLC. I believe by drying out a culture you're killing everything but the myc. Goodbye bacteria!
Now you have a quick clean jump. My favorite way to do GLC. Is to take like two pill containers with lids that are interchangeable. Drop colonized grain in one container. Other is sterile water. Holes are drilled in one cap. The water pours through like an hour glass. Swirl/shake. Let water go back to original container...
https://mycotopia.net/topic/110636-agar-jars-add-grain-g2gglc-expand-the-power-of-the-small/#entry1476763
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus] 2
#27606595 - 01/04/22 10:46 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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I shake the jars several times. Usually after 6 or 7 days no matter what I see, and then again at around 60-70% colonization.
When I first started growing pans, I felt like shaking the jars caused stalls or slow downs but I’ve learned that isn’t the case. Proper grain hydration is the absolute key to Pam’s in grain. In all my experience, I’ve learned to go waaay wetter than I do with cubes. I don’t seem to have issues with bacteria in wet jars. But I have issues with stalls in dry jars. I also keep in mind that my jars dry over time as moisture escapes out of the SFD so there is a need to match how moist you make your jars, with the size of your lid hole and your ambient humidity.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27606686 - 01/04/22 11:53 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Rehydrating spawn seems completely unnecessary. Especially for me, sicne my bulk tends to be on the wet side (sometimes a bit too much).
I also always shake jars. It hasn't happened to me yet that anything would stall. Shake that biatsch!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#27606717 - 01/04/22 12:31 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Quote:
Adas said: I love this community mindset of giving back! VERY few communities like this out there! You guys are like a second family to me, seriously. 
I love all the free print giving between people. Most giveaways now seem themed around "take my prints and please don't send anything in return, I've been gifted too many"
I get that some people have to make their living off of spores, but some of us collect wild/ can't afford that 
The more kindness takes over instead of money the bigger my smile.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
#27606718 - 01/04/22 12:34 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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I'd rather cut a "50$" print and spread the spores. Then try and profit. If we've grown and ate enough mush, you know better!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus] 4
#27606845 - 01/04/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Update on the tubs I spawned on Dec 24. Fruited on Dec 31.
It seems that I got the overlay problem under control but ending up in side pin city on a regular basis now.

All tubs are 5 days in fruiting con now. All treated the same way and spawned to h-manur/compost/coir @ 25/25/50
Have 3 tubs of C6T2 clone which all look like this

Two C3T3 tubs that turned out like this so far

And one C4T3 tub

Looks like C6 clone is going to be the winner.
I also spawned these two jars yesterday which I shook on Dec 24. Poor recovery for sure, lets see what this is going to be. Unfortunately the camera focused on the background....way to go, baba 

EDIT: mixed up the tub numbers
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#27607433 - 01/04/22 11:29 PM (2 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks for the shake down on shaking folks. I already shook them all a day ago and they recovered very fast and are at 95-100% already 24-36 hours later. I’m going to spawn them this weekend. 😊
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] 1
#27607627 - 01/05/22 06:17 AM (2 years, 24 days ago) |
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Out of all the Panaeoulus species/strains which one is relatively easiest to fruit?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: sevenfourfour] 3
#27608229 - 01/05/22 04:25 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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Have harvested 4 tubs today, I would call those not great but OK.
C4T4 151g wet weight
C6T2 155g, 161g, 176g wet weight
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#27608376 - 01/05/22 08:00 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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Those look great Baba.... easily as good as if not better than 99% of what comes out of my tent.
sevenfourfour - I feel like I have heard Cambos are pretty aggressive fruiters but maybe it was Jambos.... I've not grown either yet. Actually I have some on agar right now from MS.
I was away for a couple days and came back to a lot......
Couple of NecD trays:


Those above were part of my coir/manure vs straw/manure test.
Here are the side-by-sides. Coir on left, straw on right in each pic


In the first pair, the coir clearly outperformed the straw, however, the straw tray is not fully mature yet. I harvested the coir tray and put the straw tray back into the tent to see if it gets much bigger. It might but it isn't going to be as good as the coir tray.
Yet in the second pair, they look about even. The coir has more even coverage while the straw has taller fruits. I will say one thing about this pair, I screwed up my tent conditions mid-grow which caused about half the fruits on the coir tray to abort (straw tray had no fruits at that point in time so it was spared from the same damage) - but they aborted well beyond pin stage. Look at all the caps on the left tray that look dark and bruised. Those quit growing at that height, while the rest were able to power through. Had I not screwed up my tent conditions, likely all those small bruised fruits would have grown to the same size as the big ones and formed a nice thick canopy, outperforming the straw. As far as straw vs coir goes, I'm not saying I think coir is better, but it seems to be working better for ME. It could be the straw I'm getting, seeds in the straw, who knows.
I think I'm a lot closer to dialing in ideal tent conditions. I was giving them way too much air and it was too dry. I'm now at 2 minutes fog followed by 1 minute vent followed by an 11 minute rest. The rest stage is MUCH more humid now than my previous cycle which was like 3 mins fog, 2 mins rest with fog, 2 minute vent, 8 mins rest, but also the 80mm fogger fan would run constantly - providing slow but steady stream of fresh dry air into the tent. I thought this was good because I was getting TONS of evaporation this way, while still keeping the casing quite wet from so much fog, but the dry resting period was just too dry and it was hurting the fruits. I think I'm going to have a lot better results now.
Look at these Huasteca:

Not a great canopy but they are BIG. But more importantly, they aren't producing spores, just like those white NecDs I grew. I wonder if this is something I'm doing or what?

These came from the same Huastaca tray. Look how spore-free the big caps are. I don't think it's an issue of not waiting long enough for the caps to mature fully because you see how curled up they are which tells me they are done:

Tall NecDs:


Second flush BVI coming in. I didn't douse it or patch the casing after harvest because I was in a hurry. Doesn't seem to have stopped it. Maybe these fruits will be bigger than the first flush:
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27608388 - 01/05/22 08:14 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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Dialing in the tent/tub always cracks me up with how tedious it is.
I spent so long adding or subtracting a few seconds from the fog/air cycle getting it just right it was ridiculous.
Those big haustaca look badass too.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27608423 - 01/05/22 08:55 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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Nice Hindsight, I'm glad coir worked out the way it did for you, it's treating me well for a few years now. Straw is much cheaper but such a pain to prep if you can't buy it pre-shredded or as pellets. It's definitely not an absolutely essential requirement.
I love the way Huastaca fruits look like they got blown around in the wind. Will have to get new genetics for next time.
Dialing in is such a drag, have to keep my hand in my pockets or else I start fiddling around again. Still not sure why I get so many side pins lately, never had this problem to this extent and it seems like a trade off to not getting overlay anymore but who knows. Can't wait for the next jars to get ready. It will be a fruiting @ spawn finally for this pan season.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 3
#27608432 - 01/05/22 09:14 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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Looking Great BabaYaga and Hindsight!
Anyone waiting on a Bunnell print you should be seeing it soon. Friday or Saturday at the latest.
My first Bunnell is looking just gorgeous. I’m looking forward to spawning to bulk and fruiting them. Adas tells me I should look forward to eating them even more!

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27608503 - 01/05/22 11:08 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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I don’t have enough experience with pans on plates but it seems to me each transfer point on that Bunnell plate is starting to show a bunch of knotting?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27608506 - 01/05/22 11:13 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: I don’t have enough experience with pans on plates but it seems to me each transfer point on that Bunnell plate is starting to show a bunch of knotting?
Yeah, that looks like crazy knotting!
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