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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycoplex]
#27599622 - 12/30/21 09:11 AM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Hey, new to this thread. I have these pan. cyanescens ("Central Florida" strain) that just keep making tiny little pinhead caps that only open to maybe 3mm at the most... absolutely impossible to get spores from, and featherweight yields have me pretty bummed out about my second run of these (the first wasn't much better). I see all these pics on here, not a single one is ANYTHING like what happened to mine.
Second batch, first flush:


Gave 'em windburn 

Second batch, second flush (fixed the bruising, still tiny caps) :

The first batch I did about 6 months ago... same culture:

First run looked like better fruits, but the second pinned more.
Is this just genetics? Has anyone else ever had anything like this? The original print was huge...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Artemisia_Ale]
#27599642 - 12/30/21 09:38 AM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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What substrate?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27599673 - 12/30/21 10:06 AM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Looks like they still ain't getting enough FAE.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#27600288 - 12/30/21 07:29 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Sorry to pop in here to bug everyone, but if any of you cool Cope/Pan guys want to join LAGM version 2.022 come on by! As you would expect it is cube heavy and some biodiversity would be nice! Plus I'll be running my first attempt at Pans for it so it will be good for a laugh if nothing else lol
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Hey all, here is my second ever pan tub. This tub was made by starting with MacMerdin pan cakes (PF-tek style cakes for pan cyans) and then spawning to bulk to a lasagna tray. A casing was then applied about a week later.
These are the "BVI" variety. I am doing the best I can with conditions here but I know for certain I need a more elaborate setup to dial in the fruiting exactly.
This attempt came out a bit better than when I tried to fruit them as cakes, that process seemed to stall a lot longer.
Are there any tricks or gotchas to printing pans? Can they be printed the same way cubes are? The last time I tried with these small fruits they didn't seem to drop spores.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27600739 - 12/31/21 03:29 AM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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Hindsight: Hay (didn't have access to straw, I know), verm, and cow manure... I forget the ratios but it was a proper consistency. Went 1:3, and the grain was yellow popcorn.
Adas: If I start fanning, they start bruising.
I was led to believe Martha tents weren't necessary for pans... From what I'm seeing so far, they're damn-near essential. I'll probably screw that up too somehow, after investing the rest of my money into one. Around each turn with mushrooms, there's 50 new items you've gotta buy if you want to have half a chance. Just so sick of cubes though... why are these so much better? Feels like more than just "twice the potency"... more like these can take you to whole different realms than cubes can ever even achieve - of course they're gonna be more difficult. That's just gonna be a feature of this universe, I suppose... Also, do Tampas only give a single flush and then just make stones?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Artemisia_Ale] 2
#27600746 - 12/31/21 03:42 AM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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Fae doesn't mean fanning. Ad some small holes to your tub.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27600758 - 12/31/21 04:09 AM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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@Art Maybe try a small shallow tub inside a big sgfc before dropping all your coin on a Martha setup. Ive seen people on here have success by putting the tub in the perlite a little ways so that the substrate surface is pretty much level with the perlite. Or look at macmerdins pan cakes perhaps https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=18357343&fpart=&PHPSESSID=
Tampas, galindoii and mexicanae (they're all variants Ps. Mexicana btw) make stones in vitro (in your spawn jars) over three to twelve months which you can harvest and then send the remaining grain spawn to fruiting. You can spawn them to bulk or fruit them from straight cased grains. The fruits were very potent at 1g dry IME
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Artemisia_Ale]
#27600791 - 12/31/21 05:48 AM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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Quote:
Artemisia_Ale said: Hey, new to this thread. I have these pan. cyanescens ("Central Florida" strain) that just keep making tiny little pinhead caps that only open to maybe 3mm at the most... absolutely impossible to get spores from, and featherweight yields have me pretty bummed out about my second run of these (the first wasn't much better). I see all these pics on here, not a single one is ANYTHING like what happened to mine.
Second batch, first flush:


Gave 'em windburn 

Second batch, second flush (fixed the bruising, still tiny caps) :

The first batch I did about 6 months ago... same culture:

First run looked like better fruits, but the second pinned more.
Is this just genetics? Has anyone else ever had anything like this? The original print was huge...
^^^^ What nosf3r4tu said.
Are your holes taped up? If yes then open them up and put more in around sub level.
Happy New Year by the way!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27600865 - 12/31/21 07:22 AM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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@mycoplex: They print just like a pan, yes, but some varieties or even some grows within a single variety don’t produce many spores. Sometimes they are slow to produce spores so be sure to let them mature.
@Artemisisa: My two cents - hay (as it seems you know) is pointless. I would suggest coir/verm/manure. Keep the manure amount low (2 cups for a 9x13” size baking tray) and try to make sure the manure is aged and or composted. Folks like baba have great success without a tent but from what I’ve seen, it may be very dependent on the variety/culture you are growing. Not all will do as well in a tub. I had a friend grow Some pans from MS in an SGFC and it worked fine for him. Not the massive thick dense canopies you see in some of the expert grows here but he got many dry grams from it. Even tents take time to dial in and until you get EVERYTHING right - grain type and hydration, substrate recipe, casing, incubation time, temp, FAE/humidity cycles…. it can be very hit or miss. I don’t know if some people are lucky or just way better than me but I have found pans much harder to grow than cubes. I have a full tent right now and am seeing some great trays fruiting up so I’m getting closer and closer with each grow but it’s still a challenge and I still have duds. Oh if you gave them windburn from fanning, it sounds like you don’t have enough resting humidity. Have you looked into the JCM fruiting chamber (the one that uses tubs and an aquarium air pump and stones)? Folks using those are getting tent-quality flushes.
As for tripping on them, I’ve only taken pans a couple times now and IME they come on faster, feel more euphoric, have way better CEVs, last longer, and are around 2x more potent. But it’s variable from batch to batch. I have some pans that are the same potency as cubes and I have some that some friends took and while strong, they lasted 4 hours vs the last ones I took at noon and was still unable to sleep at midnight.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#27601078 - 12/31/21 11:29 AM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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Nice looking BVI clone pinset forming. Might be a really nice flush:

My small tray of NecD clones on coir/manure are doing great. Pretty full, fairly even, and have reached about 1" tall. I'll wait to share a photo of them until they have finished growing out.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27601651 - 12/31/21 07:36 PM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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@Hindsight Have you ever gotten these BVI fruits to grow "large" or is this pan variant generally small? I've only grown it out a couple times so far and the fruits have been small and skinny.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycoplex]
#27601805 - 12/31/21 10:34 PM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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BVI have been small and skinny for me too though mine have grow. Out to be taller than the ones in your photo. The biggest fruits so far have been Huasteca. Bit short but definitely fat. I have NecD, BVI, and Huasteca in the tent right now and all are clone cultures so will have results to share shortly.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 4
#27602246 - 01/01/22 10:16 AM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Happy new year Pan family! For me BVI genetic is good not the biggest but not the smallest indoor, also the guy who shared the wild prints (tamarindtree) sent me one wild print at least 4cm diameter...
BVI 2020
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L]
#27602290 - 01/01/22 11:12 AM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Looking good VL!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 4
#27602403 - 01/01/22 12:49 PM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Thanks for those shots, VL. I can see from your fruits that BVI has potential for growing much larger than what I have gotten so far.
I know this isn't the place for trip reports but last night I had my first experience with Pans. I downed 2 grams dried which ended up being proportionately stronger than larger cube doses I've tried in the past. My normal cube dose is around 4.5 grams, and 2 grams of dried pans were way stronger than most of my cube experiences.
For anyone who has not tried these yet, you may want to start with an even smaller dose than what you were planning on initially. In my case, I thought 2 grams would be pretty docile but it was right up there with a high level cube trip.
I was sitting there and as the pans kicked in fully, my whole understanding of time and day became murky, almost like I was trying to make sense of some fantasy concept. I kept reminding myself "It's New Years Eve, December 31, 9pm" but it did not really comfort me, it felt like I was just referring to constructs (time, day) that only exist when we're not on psychedelics.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycoplex] 3
#27602437 - 01/01/22 01:16 PM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah pans are no joke. I only took .6 my first time and it was at least on par with 2.5g of cubes only with way better OEV.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27602483 - 01/01/22 01:47 PM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah I would suggest 0.5g pans to anyone who hasn’t had them before. Can always take more. Last time I took 0.5 and felt fantastic so I took another 0.5 and it was too much. - I spent a couple hours focusing really hard on keeping my head in a positive space.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L]
#27603124 - 01/01/22 11:50 PM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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Hey, @V.L, do you case your cakes, as in roll them around in verm, like the old-style BRF cake tek suggests? Or is there no casing at all, just dunk and fruit? Also, do you still use potting soil and how soon after putting the cakes in the fruiting chamber do pins appear? Thanks
I'm attempting something like your tek at the moment, I spawned colonized grain to pasteurized potting soil and the BVI fully colonized in like 3 days - the bisporus took a tad bit longer, but is still colonizing the soil nicely.
Some of the fully colonized cakes I cased in the container, and a few I 'birthed' - took out of the 'mold', dunked and put in a large container with a partially open lid (fruiting chamber). Will see what happens.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: moonwatcher]
#27603173 - 01/02/22 01:21 AM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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Spawned from jars to substrate (horse manure pellets, coir, verm, gypsum) 10 days ago. Stll smell like shit, I am to throw it away or pans are slow on this substrate?
Is it required to use manure when growing pans? I hate to work with it (probably am not kinky enough:))
I know what I did wrong. Has three jars and, after shaking, only two of them recolonized well. The third one didnt smell bad though, so I mixed all together (rpokie mistake).
Edited by shr00mFer (01/02/22 01:23 AM)
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