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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27596598 - 12/27/21 05:54 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi Pan People Just dropping by to say to the dozen or so who asked for a Bunnell print (via me Courtesy of that fine Pan Person - Adas)…I finally got them all in the mail today. US folk you can expect them in 7-10 days (New Years holiday in there). International folks - probably two weeks into January if not sooner.
Sorry for the wait folks!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27596630 - 12/27/21 06:20 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey there I am not new to cultivation but I have grown pan cyans a handful of times and literally everytime i get something weird like Short and fat cyans, super tall and skinny. Now I have these really tiny fruits with impossibly small caps to sporulate. They are roughly 2 inches tall, super tiny.
Now my question is, what in the hell am I doing wrong? Is this just bad genetics? I used MSS so if this is just genetics I am okay with that. My substrate is 1/4th pasturized straw and the rest was colonized WBS grain mixed together. My fruiting chamber is a tub with two air stones at full blast pumping fresh air. Humidity is 99% majority of the time. This is the first flush currently




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5]
#27596639 - 12/27/21 06:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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No manure?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27596652 - 12/27/21 06:38 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys so Im about ready to spawn my first Pan Cyans to bulk. Im a little confused about preparing the substrate. I have straw and composted horse manure from a garden centre. Ive never grown pans before, I have been growing PE for a few years now and im not sure about a couple things. Like how to go about hydrating the straw, do I just soak it like coco coir? Can you bring straw to "field capacity"? And what ratio should I use for the straw and composted manure? Also can I use the same 50/50 casing i put on my Penis Envy? Thanks for the help! and sorry for my ignorance lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27596658 - 12/27/21 06:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight said: No manure?
no manure, just straw as the substrate
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5] 1
#27596699 - 12/27/21 07:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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JoeFell said: Hey guys so Im about ready to spawn my first Pan Cyans to bulk. Im a little confused about preparing the substrate. I have straw and composted horse manure from a garden centre. Ive never grown pans before, I have been growing PE for a few years now and im not sure about a couple things. Like how to go about hydrating the straw, do I just soak it like coco coir? Can you bring straw to "field capacity"? And what ratio should I use for the straw and composted manure? Also can I use the same 50/50 casing i put on my Penis Envy? Thanks for the help! and sorry for my ignorance lol
Hydration: Mix the straw with the manure and if you like, add some vermiculite. Mix water to field capacity. The straw does absorb some water but not a lot - during pasteurization, the straw will pull the water in due to the heat, and consequently, when you are done pasteurizing you won't be at field capacity any more (you'll be dryer). Add water again to bring back up to field capacity.
Manure to Straw ratio: There is no firm consensus though ~ 70% straw to 30% manure seems popular. I get about that when I measure out 2 cups of dry manure mixed with 90 grams of dried straw. I add 1 cup coarse vermiculite to that.
Casing: Yes you can, but with any pan casing, you'll want to go much thinner than on PE. You should still be able to see the mycelium in little spots here and there when you are done.
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Hindsight said: No manure?
no manure, just straw as the substrate
That would be my vote as to your results.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5]
#27596963 - 12/28/21 05:12 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight said: No manure?
no manure, just straw as the substrate
That could be the problem, straw itself doesn't hold almost any water. The sub needs to be able to hold some amount of water.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27597014 - 12/28/21 07:10 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah the main function of the straw is to keep your substrate fluffy and aerated
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5]
#27597020 - 12/28/21 07:13 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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kilohalo5 said: Hey there I am not new to cultivation but I have grown pan cyans a handful of times and literally everytime i get something weird like Short and fat cyans, super tall and skinny. Now I have these really tiny fruits with impossibly small caps to sporulate. They are roughly 2 inches tall, super tiny.
Now my question is, what in the hell am I doing wrong? Is this just bad genetics? I used MSS so if this is just genetics I am okay with that. My substrate is 1/4th pasturized straw and the rest was colonized WBS grain mixed together. My fruiting chamber is a tub with two air stones at full blast pumping fresh air. Humidity is 99% majority of the time. This is the first flush currently





Lack of manure in your substrate would be my guess
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] 2
#27597073 - 12/28/21 08:12 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Speaking of substrate, I was surprised to see one of my NecD trays pinning quite nicely after just 2 days in the tent. This is not the white pheno, but the more traditional looking NecD pheno, and it's a clone culture. But most importantly, it is from my manure/coir vs manure/straw side by side test, and this tray is the manure/coir tray.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27597592 - 12/28/21 03:33 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Beautiful! Thanks man that clears up everything. Much love
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: JoeFell]
#27598147 - 12/29/21 01:18 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for all the replies. I've used just straight straw in the past and have had tons of regular fruits no issue, I dont know why this time its different. I am aware a manure mix is better but older books and articles suggest straw is just as a good substrate, only downpart is it comtams faster. I just get the feeling theres something else that is off causing it.
I'll do a 70/30 straw manure mix next time regardless.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5]
#27598151 - 12/29/21 01:22 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also what manure do you guys use? I am moving in a month and there wont be any pastures nearby to forage from so I may have to buy from a store, amazon, or a mushroom specific site.
Any suggestions on manure with links would be appreciated, thanks again.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5]
#27598257 - 12/29/21 05:33 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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JakeOnCid posted a link to his manure/straw substrate one or two pages back. I doubt you can go wrong with it. You can buy it online.
If you were having success with just straw and now you arent, I would chalk it up to variability of straw. I have had a hell of a time finding a source for good straw. It is either more like hay and contams quickly or it has a bunch of seeds in it that are very hard to see and remove etc. I’m trying to get away from straw completely because of this.
You can actually get manure on eBay. It’s expensive to do it that way though. Look for composted and/or field aged and dried. Another thing you can do is find a horse stable near you - or if there isn’t one nearby, search for horseback riding near you and then call them up and ask for manure. Most of that isn’t going to be from the field so you’ll need to age it outside yourself.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27598335 - 12/29/21 07:36 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not sure if it's just me, but I've never had a problem with non-aged manure. I just soak it straight out the bag, and leech it a lil bit, squeeze the water out and it's ready. Also, I've probably never used grass-fed manure. Always looked like soil more than anything. Still getting more than decent results from my Florida Cyans.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27598360 - 12/29/21 08:03 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good to know Adas. When you say it looks more like soil, when I hear that I immediately think "composted" - IE if you compost manure for 12 months or so (maybe faster if conditions are ideal), it looks like topsoil instead of manure. But since you also made the comment about not using grass-fed manure, I'm guessing maybe you are saying non grass-fed manure ends up looking more like soil than manure even when it's fresh?
I collected some manure from a local stable and have been leaching/aging it outside on a tarp for a few weeks now. Plan is to let it go through a bunch of rain/dry cycles and age until it no longer smells like manure.
On another note, my bispos are at T1 now and looking good so will probably go to grain with them in another week or so.
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#27598382 - 12/29/21 08:38 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thing is, it never says on the bag whether it's grass-fed. And yes, even fresh it looks more like soil, but smells very much like shit, that's why I think it's not grass-fed. Still works fine for all I care. Though I plan to age some one day and test how that works.
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#27598384 - 12/29/21 08:39 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Happy holidays brothers! Wish you the best!
I just cased my V-teks:

They have been fully colonized for a few days already, idk when exactly they colonized but it was faster than expected. I'm pretty sure they won't get enough FAE, the lids are just resting on the container they aren't really closed but the culture knotted on agar so i'm having high hopes. I'm also hoping to manage this grow with little to no intervention, neglecting is kinda a core thing i'm looking for with these v-teks.
Cya in a few days/weeks, don't forget to stay hydrated and be happy!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#27598860 - 12/29/21 04:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight said: Good to know Adas. When you say it looks more like soil, when I hear that I immediately think "composted" - IE if you compost manure for 12 months or so (maybe faster if conditions are ideal), it looks like topsoil instead of manure. But since you also made the comment about not using grass-fed manure, I'm guessing maybe you are saying non grass-fed manure ends up looking more like soil than manure even when it's fresh?
I collected some manure from a local stable and have been leaching/aging it outside on a tarp for a few weeks now. Plan is to let it go through a bunch of rain/dry cycles and age until it no longer smells like manure.
Yeah, grain/supplement/chaff fed h-poo from stables looks a lot different, I tried using that in the past for cubes and it was ok but I didn't like the texture compared to pasture fed h-poo. It just seemed more dense and sloppy when I was preparing my substrate, it doesn't seem to have the same amount of roughage. I was figuring for pans the light and fluffy pasture fed stuff would be better.
I've been finding h-poo for sale or sometimes even free on FB in the market place. I organise picking up a few bags the day before and then go for a nice country drive. Currently ageing it on the balcony of my apartment lol
 It actually works out cheaper than coir for me; I'm paying around $8 (AUD) for 15L premium coir but for the cost of $10 fuel and a $10 donation I got about 100L of pewp
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mistamonsta] 1
#27598883 - 12/29/21 04:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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mistamonsta said: It actually works out cheaper than coir for me; I'm paying around $8 (AUD) for 15L premium coir but for the cost of $10 fuel and a $10 donation I got about 100L of pewp 
This is one of the reasons I started using manure (in my case, steer manure). I like coco coir as much as everyone else, but price-wise it's more of a treat to me where I plan on using it for certain sensitive grows.
Manure itself seems more accessible, cheap, and abundant. But I can see it being more prone to contam so I am sure there are tradeoffs and both have their uses.
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