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Psynonim
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23870973 - 11/27/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek#5050plus
IMPORTANT NOTE: Be sure you buy horticultural hydrated lime, not dolomitic or other kinds, or it will burn the mycelium and they wont grow. So look at nurseries for horticultural hydrated lime, it usually says "to sweeten the soil on the bag".
NEW UPDATE: Although most people, including us, have great success from using horticultural hydrated lime, some do not. They end up burning their mycelium or the mycelium just never colonizes through to the casing soil. We think perhaps the hydrated lime they are buying has a much higher alkaline level then then the Hi Yield brand we are using. Hi Yield brand is our preference and works great for us. But just to play it on the safe side, we are going to suggest you buy calcium carbonate. A ground calcium carbonate is a gentle buffer. Some brands of hydrated lime are not. Calcium carbonate is basically ground up limestone, a soil sweetener. It works just as good if not better then horticultural hydrated lime. Its a much safer bet as well. You should be able to find calcium carbonate in just about any garden supply store.
Confused more and more.....
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23871162 - 11/27/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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For casing check RR's you tube video here:
For more general info- look at all his "Lets grow mushrooms"videos.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#23871198 - 11/27/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'ts always good to watch RR's videos again . Thanks for remanding me about them .
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23871226 - 11/27/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never used hydrated lime in any of my casings, they always do fine.
Even FF does it if i remember correctly.
But if you wanna stay on the safe side, why not.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
#23871902 - 11/27/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you wanna raise pH in a peat casing use hydrated lime, Ca(OH)2. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22091522
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
#23871927 - 11/27/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just picked up two bags of Mrs. Wages pickling lime Ca(OH)2 at walmart. They were like 3 bucks each...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
#23871935 - 11/27/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love blindingleaf's tek, peat comes out so soft and fluffy after being sifted
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23871938 - 11/27/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psynonim said: Confused more and more.....
stop reading in the archives then and start searching newer posts instead  you're pretty much reading the oldest teks we got here at the shroomery.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
#23871991 - 11/27/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK...stupid question time...do i need to soak my straw in lime if I'm gonna mix with hpoo and verm and proper pastuerize? The lime seems redundant...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
#23873513 - 11/27/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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if I'm not mistaken lime is an alternative to pasteurization, so yes it would be redundant if you're just going to heat pasteurize the mix anyway
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
#23873959 - 11/28/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psynonim said: Confused more and more.....
stop reading in the archives then and start searching newer posts instead  you're pretty much reading the oldest teks we got here at the shroomery.
OK . Had to do without lime this first time. Made 2 small trays and one mono. Total of 4 pint jars (3/4 content) have being used. One just grains and 3x 3:1 grain to hpoo.
This is how 2 of them looked like.

So 1 tray straw/coir 3:1 + grains next same but grains with hpoo and 2 best jars went to this mono.

they all smelled nice. I foiled up the mono for colonization and going to take the foil of for fruiting. Mono is not tall but I'm going to cower it with same kind of tray like mono is made off with air holes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23874916 - 11/28/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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what kinda TEK are you following?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
#23875042 - 11/28/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Non and all. Trying to do best with all the knowledge from this thread, rest of the net and my personal capabilities regarding use of smelling materials . Rye+hpoo jars was my own idea ( never saw this anywhere, and it seems to work so far) as I wanted to have hpoo present in the mix but have no means to pasteurise. So i sterilised it together and it did't smell at all. I use dry pellets which are not so good (a lot of soil mixed in) coz I have no access to the fresh stuff. There are places i could drive to but i spend daylight in the workplace and I study weekends . Coming weekend will be my first free time in a month. Straw and coir was the idea PM'ed to me by a member who confirmed that it worked for him ( have no reason not to trust him).
The rest is patience.
Of course if you have any advise, or I'm doing something wrong please let me know.
Is it good I used the film?
The idea was to have a mono ready but keep the moist locked in. The film and alu foil on the top are pierced of course.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23875121 - 11/28/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont see your reasoning for putting foil on your tub, nor why you stuffed the holes with polyfil and then wrapped it in glad pack. why not just tape the holes? and straw sticking out from the sub could be an easy target for mold. foil still on jars etc.. kinda seems to me you're not following any TEK rather than following all..
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
#23875194 - 11/28/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can see your point now with polyfil.
So sub as flat as possible and holes taped. Then after colonisation and casing tape off and polyfil in, right? I will fix it in front of the FH tomorrow (the straw part).
As of foil on the jars. Where I am we don't have this fancy mason jars and filter discs man ( we do but they cost little fortune) so I'm using something called rooftop membrane ( my own translation don't know how to call it, kind of tyvek but 10 times cheeper). This is what I have got. I do 4-5 fi10mm holes in jar lids, and place squares of this membrane under the lid and screw it on. Then foil on it and sterilise grains with phoo. After dropping agar put same filter-lid back on + alufoil for double protection. Works for me for two years now so, can't see your point here .
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#23875255 - 11/28/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spawning isnt sterile anyway, so just cut off any straw sticking out.
you got polyfill right. use that as a filter. the foil doesnt help protect much, it just keeps your filter moist. you want dry filters.
4-5 10mm holes sounds like overkill. I use one 7-8mm hole tightly stuffed with poly.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
#23875264 - 11/28/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had the same pan bisp on agar plates for the last year. Never could get it germinated again after that. Somehow now that I took a transfer from the old plate it looks healthier than it's ever looked. It does look like thick pan myc and not a contam. Maybe I inadvertently got a stronger culture by transferring a few times. I guess I will find out. Going to transfer and get it on grain asap.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: d0urd3n]
#23876438 - 11/28/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey D0, I've been playing around with Bisporus on agar lately. I have several really wispy transfers- all ~1st or 2nd passage from the germinating plate. Its good to hear that you're getting thicker growth from an older plate.
With Jamaican I get aggressive cottony growth on agar and grain from old plates that have been stored in the fridge for months. This leads to some overlay when spawned to trays and weak fruiting. Its like the mycelia doesn't want to shift to fruiting.
Can you show a picture of some relatively thick Bisporus growth on agar?
Here's Chicon Nindo pinning from a ratty looking 2 month old plate that I took some wedges from:
 I'm thinking of dropping this pin in a grain jar and see what it leads to.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#23876492 - 11/28/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What does a good clean pan plate look like? Do pans go rizo?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23876510 - 11/28/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mr Fox had rhizo pan myc but I haven't seen it besides that. My Bisporous plates are ridiculously thin whispy and almost look like mold, my cinctulus looks like a cottony cloud...

First pic is cinctulus, second is Bisporous
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